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I think the problem is nukes are already kinda the worst weapon out there. Maybe just nerfing them so hard no one can ever mistake them as useful is the kindest thing to do?

Orbis: Grumpy needs to split! We should dogpile them. *Grumpy players get bored and leave Orbis: Grumpy players are ghosting! We should dogpile them. Still at least stuff is happening.

Probably not.... Arrgh doesn't really defend anybody. They raid wherever there is nations with inactive players and money to be taken off them. If TKR becomes full of plump semi afk players then Arrgh will raid them too.

Would actually like to know.... why didn't Rose mil up? Since it was raised.

You also turn away a lot of players that would bring the average down. No one in Grumpy wants to get into a war to find out some guy on his 10th city grant doesn't want to fight. It is why they are in Grumpy.

It isn't incompetence for econ.... most other alliances want to tax the bigger nations for small nation growth. That is fine but usually that means that your big nations are not going to grow as fast. Lets be honest if you are going to be a big nation and are going to be taxed then you want to get some good value alliance members. I can only think of a couple of alliances that use that sacrificed growth well.

It is about not paying to grow some small nation that logs on 12+ hours after being attacked. It is about knowing that peeps will log in come blitz. Mass recruitment alliances will always struggle to retain big nations if they make big nations pay to grow some nation that wont even show up for the war.

Not going to lie... this one made me chuckle.... love Mitchell and Webb

There has to be more to Quacks CB than Sphinx logs... I mean the guy plots 30 schemes a day and only a third of them are aimed at Quack. The only reason any sphere has only 4 or 5 plots against them now is because Sphinx is in vacation mode. At least there is something happening tho.

Sheepy, I think you meant well but we have all been hurt by the NPO cheating so unless everybody is going to get compensated singling out the bankers is very unfair. Remember when you said there was no way to undo the damage done by the cheating??? Why are you trying to help some but not others? I do think this reflects part of an ongoing issue that involves the rather underhanded strategy of admin manipulation that is involved when people are privately messaging you. It most definitely feeds into NPO accusations that suggest that certain older players have more weight in the say of admin decisions than appropriate. This situation reflects an ongoing problem in which admin decisions are made in the dark during a conversation between the admin and a party with an invested interest that is putting forth an agenda and possibly only half the relevant information. This isn't the first time. Remember when NPO messaged you and attempted to get clearance for what was effectively cheating when all the facts came to light? Remember when Seb attempted to convince you that his attacks on Grumpy's bank wouldn'tbe slot filling and get you to sign off on it? I don't think this is something you can fix or make fair because unfortunately now the only real options are cash for everyone hurt by NPO and removing the money sent to bail out banks because any other option is unfair on your players to whom you said you couldn't couldn't undo the NPO cheating and by extension that you couldn't compensate them for their losses. I say this because I do think NPO in a blind rage have stumbled upon a truth... you can gain advantage with a private message to the game admin or at the very least perhaps mitigate some damage. Ultimately this issue will harm the game NPO is right about that and you do need to address it.

Starting a war is great.... deliberately attempting to kill the game not so much.

Online games tend to have a problem of trying to balance making the game easier for casuals vs not upsetting the hardcore players who love beating casuals. PnW is no different.... wars in PnW are fun if you are highly active and are in the right alliance and able to have some imput in what is going on. If you happen to be less active and less connected or in an alliance that doesn't dominate in your tier wars can result in getting sat on for weeks at a time.

What would be the value in lying... if Alex wasn't asked then the who am I gonna fool.... Alex???

So your whole issue is that you perceive it as breaking the rules?? If it turns out that Alex did approve of it then you don't have an issue?? I still think that Alex made the wrong call with it but my position is that I think most alliances would have done the same thing if they too had Alex approval and that is based on previous statements and actions by other alliances.

Genuinely serious and not just on this matter, the thing is broader than just this. Why do both sides here only cry about fairness when they have lost out? I am yet to see even a hint of it this whole conflict except with possibly the withdrawal by tS who's best interests were served by continuing to fight with an overwhelming coalition but felt that it was unfair or deceitful. Both sides reserve the right to look after themselves despite the affect on the game as a whole... and for the record I fully agree here that Alex made the wrong call on this one but a call was made (a rule was set) and the alliance did what was best for them... and damn the enjoyment of everyone else. Standard PnW.