Popular Post Lu Xun Posted December 5, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) This is not a game report because moderation has seen fit to give Ibrahim a wide berth, but I would like answers as to why Ibrahim is not held in violation of the relevant rules. I was involved in an indiscretion lately after which I reread the game rules. I noticed this paragraph: In-game Communication All forms of in-game communication, including but not limited to, messaging, war declaration reasons, alliance announcements, leader, city, or nation names, and nation and alliance descriptions must be appropriate. Vulgar language, mean comments, Nazism or Nazi related names and titles, Terrorist organizations related names and titles etc. are not allowed and will result in your nation receiving a strike. Ibrahim seems to be in violation of these rules, since his nation is named the Islamic State, one of the known aliases of the political entity called ISIS, and ISIS is considered a terrorist organization after their attack in Paris. While I don't encourage or request Ibrahim's banning, as an apparent violation of the first paragraph of the game rules, should Ibrahim be given a strike and be forced to change his nation name to something less overt? I would say that the entire theme is in violation (if he wants to roleplay a Salafist Islamic state, perhaps he should use something that hankers back to the territory of the prophet, instead of his reactionary successors), but by the letter of the rules he shouldn't be allowed to use an obvious pseudonym for a known terrorist organization. Edited December 5, 2015 by Inst 9 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Do you know what VIP stands for? 4 _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 It means that if I pay 1 credit, I can run multis, harass users, and post offensive images on the boards? No, even if VIP results in lenient treatment, overt rule violations should still be handled. As a corollary, I would like to know why an Islamic State with a capital in Raqqa should not be considered a terrorist-themed nation. As mentioned before, my problem is with Ibrahim's behavior, not his beliefs. If his behavior crosses the line for what is acceptable for the game and these forums, he should be warned, suspended, then banned, in that order. If his beliefs are lunatic, that is the responsibility of the relevant law enforcement organizations. This is why I encourage him to retheme his nation to something more historical than the terrorist bombings last month and the ISIS-inspired attack last week. 2 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 It means that if I pay 1 credit, I can run multis, harass users, and post offensive images on the boards? No, even if VIP results in lenient treatment, overt rule violations should still be handled. As a corollary, I would like to know why an Islamic State with a capital in Raqqa should not be considered a terrorist-themed nation. As mentioned before, my problem is with Ibrahim's behavior, not his beliefs. If his behavior crosses the line for what is acceptable for the game and these forums, he should be warned, suspended, then banned, in that order. If his beliefs are lunatic, that is the responsibility of the relevant law enforcement organizations. This is why I encourage him to retheme his nation to something more historical than the terrorist bombings last month and the ISIS-inspired attack last week. I agree. Sheepy however doesn't give a shit. As he's made clear numerous times. 5 _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurdanak Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I swear this has been addressed literally a dozen times by now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 "Islamic State" is more vague of a term than you may expect. There have been several Islamic states in the past, in the form of caliphates and otherwise, and there are modern examples such as Iran and Pakistan (as "Islamic Republics"). Unless solid evidence is provided to prove affiliation with ISIS, having this nation name is not a violation of the game rules. Jaehaerys made this comment in a game report thread, but I don't believe this is applicable. The argument is that Islamic State is a generic term, but I don't think that's correct.out this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant Wiki claims that Islamic State is a standardized alternative name for ISIS. Reading the media, Islamic State is also commonly used as a standardized name for ISIS. Also, sourcing another Wiki page, there is no country that has the specific term "Islamic State" as part of its name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alternative_country_names Clearly, Islamic State is a reference to a terrorist polity and associated organizations. I would much prefer that Ibrahim retheme his nation to something Islam-related, but not Daesh-related, but strictly speaking, only the name is an overt violation of the rules. Changing the name to Islamic Republic, as cited above, would not be a violation. Changing the name to The Caliphate or Khalifate would oblige Ibrahim's desire to roleplay a terrorist state (whether or not he's a terrorist himself), but it would be sufficiently generic not to directly link him to ISIS. I think I mentioned the Nordreich approach and the Neo-Nazis of Cyber Nations, and the Caliphate would be a sufficient dodge. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemenJack Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 No one ive noticed is making a big deal out of this except for you . Its just a game , i dont see why you cant just ignore the dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Thread is now closed. Refer to previous threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 P.S. Khilafa is a transliteration of the Arabic term for Caliphate. If the problem is the frequency of complaints, Khilafa is sufficiently generic and obscure that most people will take longer to pick up that Ibrahim is running an ISIS-themed nation. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buorhann Posted December 5, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2015 You know, I think this is the first time I've seen someone who is willingly not playing the game complaining about someone who is playing the game. 11 1 Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moreau Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 You know, I think this is the first time I've seen someone who is willingly not playing the game complaining about someone who is playing the game.10/10 Signed by Sultan Moreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Vietnam Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 isis can refer to pagan god and bin laden is saudi company. would nation called isis be allowed lead by bin laden??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I personally hold in high regard the Bin Laden family. They are great people 1 Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 They are responsible for redeveloping Masjid Al Haram They also own a multimillion dollar company 1 Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codonian Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I swear this has been addressed literally a dozen times by now. The fact that's it's been addressed a dozen times shows that we're not happy with the outcome. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) With the discussion progressing here, I think the question has become what specifically is considered a nation name related to terrorism? Where exactly is the line right now, and where should it be? For example, the player Osama Bin Laden's nation name was changed from Al-Qaeda to "AMERICA IS GREAT". His nation name, obviously, was not considered acceptable and subsequently his nation name was changed. A nation with the obvious name ISIS with the ruler being the current leader of ISIS was banned. Yet Islamic State is currently held as acceptable, while I don't think anyone would dispute the legitimacy of Islamic Republic. Just to place a similar example, but not in the same terms as what we are currently discussing, let's assume a nation exists with the name Grossdeutsches Reich with the ruler Austrian Colonel. The ruler's innocuous enough, but Grossdeutsches Reich was terminal name of Nazi Germany. Combined with the Austrian Colonel ruler, it's obvious that the user is running a Nazi nation. Would Grossdeutsches Reich be seen as a violation of naming policy in PnW? It's not obviously offensive to English speakers, but it's an oblique way of saying that your nation is the Third Reich. Edited December 6, 2015 by Inst 2 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) With the discussion progressing here, I think the question has become what specifically is considered a nation name related to terrorism? Where exactly is the line right now, and where should it be? For example, the player Osama Bin Laden's nation name was changed from Al-Qaeda to "AMERICA IS GREAT". That, obviously, was not considered acceptable and subsequently his nation name was changed. A nation with the obvious name ISIS with the ruler being the current leader of ISIS was banned. Yet Islamic State is currently held as acceptable, while I don't think anyone would dispute the legitimacy of Islamic Republic. I'd add that the term "Islamic State" has become synonymous with the terrorist organization waging war in the middle east. Sorry guys, but that's actually true. His capital is Raqqa and his cities are all around actual RL ISIS territory. Like, it's happening right now. People are being killed while we are discussing this. I mean, Caliphate isn't even really offensive. His name, cities, and the arguments he produces in debates from a Salafist POV just kind of give off the wrong vibe there, you know? Of all the questions he has answered on these forums the one he hasn't is whether he thinks Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi, current ruler of ISIS is the true Caliph. IDK what should be done. What does the staff think about ISIS? Obviously a lot of people just aren't very into it these days. Edited December 6, 2015 by Fox Fire 2 _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Vietnam Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I'd add that the term "Islamic State" has become synonymous with the terrorist organization waging war in the middle east. Sorry guys, but that's actually true. His capital is Raqqa and his cities are all around actual RL ISIS territory. Like, it's happening right now. People are being killed while we are discussing this. it is obvious terrorist he is and support isis he needs to be remove or harm game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moreau Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 You guys need more salt 3 Signed by Sultan Moreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 They need to see the light at the end of the tunnel Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rameses Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 The term "islamic state" is a wide one, and while it is quite probably correct that ISIL is the one that Ibrahim refers to, it isn't possible to know for sure.To start, Islamic State can refer to literally any Theocracy that follows Islam. Current Islamic States include Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan, Mauritania, and to a lesser extent, Pakistan. Just by official name, even, several countries have once been referred to as "The Islamic State of [...]" That rule is not basis for his removal yet, though if he is shown to be expressing direct support for ISIS it is probable that he'll be removed from the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Alex Posted December 6, 2015 Administrators Share Posted December 6, 2015 Yeah, but only one has its capital in Raqqa. And let's not forget his reports from the test server. That's actually not true either. Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 What is wrong with naming a city after a city. Yeah, but only one has its capital in Raqqa. And let's not forget his reports from the test server. Its proclaimed capital is Mosul Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Alex Posted December 6, 2015 Administrators Share Posted December 6, 2015 This issue has already been addressed before, anyway. Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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