Columbus Day

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

No he is a genocidal pimp who extorted and practically killed every native on that island he (supposedly) "discovered"

he did not descover anything

 

This summarises everything I was about to say.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Ibrahim

[Nadir Aminu]

This summarises everything I was about to say.

Now you agree with me.

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

Now you agree with me.

 

More like you're agreeing with me, agreeing with Harrison Horrell.

[Nadir Aminu]

More like you're agreeing with me, agreeing with Harrison Horrell.

You noticed I started this topic, right? Whatever, this isn't what we are debating about.

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

You noticed I started this topic, right? Whatever, this isn't what we are debating about.

 

If those are your views as well then yes, I agree with you

[Buorhann]

he did not descover anything

 

I'm sure he would've discovered spelling auto correct.

[Nadir Aminu]

I'm sure he would've discovered spelling auto correct.

I'm starting to like you too.

[Ekejen Luish]

America: Country or Continent? - YouTube

 

This has quite a bit of info on Columbus and the fact that he's a phony.

 

He also brought the end of almost all the natives

So in other words, we have a holiday for a mass murderer.

Oh and I forgot to mention he enslaved a bunch of them, but africans were much more popular for slaves (no racism intended).

[Doktor Avalanche]

Oh and I forgot to mention he enslaved a bunch of them, but Africans were much more popular for slaves (no racism intended).

Technically, most nations during the end of the 15th century enslaved everyone, including most of their people. African slave trade was a newer and differing cartel closer to the late 17th century, as well as the Irish and Scottish slave trade. African Slavers on the other hand were prevalent up to Columbus' age, and they did their job well especially during the Crusades until the mid Renaissance.

[New Scandanavia]

This summarises everything I was about to say.

thx you

[Kyoko]

Let's rewrite history cause it's offensive as well.

Its not rewriting history, its ending the symbolic celebration of  a genocidal mass murderer. He was literally responsible for the enslavement and murder of millions of people. 

 

Its also to be added that Columbus didn't discover dick, there were already many millions of people living in the Americas when he arrived. Even dehumanizing these people to an extreme degree and saying the vikings "Discovered" these areas before falls flat given all the evidence of cross-atlantic travel and trade dating back quite a long time before even this, and the fact that the Chinese almost certainly crossed the pacific before Christie. 

[Kurdanak]

http://time.com/4070797/alaska-indigenous-peoples-day/

 

Kudos, Alaska. o/

Edited October 13, 2015 by Kurdanak

[Buorhann]

Let's apply 21st century morals to 15th/16th century past history.

[Kyoko]

Let's apply 21st century morals to 15th/16th century past history.

Lets try to argue that genocide is somehow okay and also !@#$ing celebrate it.

[Dimitri Valko]

I know. We are going to DC to protest to rename this day to something else, right?

 

Also, ironic place is ironic.

DC.

District of Columbia.

[Kurdanak]

Let's apply 21st century morals to 15th/16th century past history.

We obviously can't change an atrocity of the past. What we can do, however, is not celebrate it by having a national holiday under the name of the man who orchestrated said atrocity.

[Nadir Aminu]

Everybody is going to DC to protest and to change the name of DC as well.

[Doktor Avalanche]

Columbus and Columbia, though Columbia is named after him, the name has become a personification of the United States itself. SHe has been used to create American images such as the Statue of Liberty as Columbia, standing in the port and "taking in those who seek life, liberty and prosperity" while holding the torch to light their way.

If Archaeologists were to uncover Washington DC in the future, many would uncover her images across the city and people of the future would assume here in the Capitol that she was a Goddess who was worshiped that distributed freedom and liberty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_%28name%29

[Buorhann]

Lets try to argue that genocide is somehow okay and also !@#$ celebrate it.

 

 

I can do this too.  Let's put words in someone else's mouth!  ( AKA: I never said such )

 

But I do agree with the fact that our society of today is way too sensitive.  Are we to condemn every discovery due to the negative moments that are attached to them?

[Buorhann]

I also want to point out that Columbus Day isn't because of Columbus.  There's more to it than what you think it is.

 

Hint:  It has to deal with 6 million Italian immigrants to the United States and holds a political reasoning to the naming of the day.  Of course there's many reasons behind it, but it's more political than honoring a dead man who supposedly discovered the Americas ( Granted if he didn't happen upon the Caribbean, I doubt the western world would be as it is now - but who knows ).

[Wayne]

We obviously can't change an atrocity of the past. What we can do, however, is not celebrate it by having a national holiday under the name of the man who orchestrated said atrocity.

 

They are defining moments of history.  They deserve to be remembered.  No one is asking you to wave a flag with Columbus' face on it.  You can celebrate the 'day' how you see fit.

[Caecus]

Columbus and Columbia, though Columbia is named after him, the name has become a personification of the United States itself. SHe has been used to create American images such as the Statue of Liberty as Columbia, standing in the port and "taking in those who seek life, liberty and prosperity" while holding the torch to light their way.

If Archaeologists were to uncover Washington DC in the future, many would uncover her images across the city and people of the future would assume here in the Capitol that she was a Goddess who was worshiped that distributed freedom and liberty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_%28name%29

Well said! You know what they say in archaeology right? Everything is religious. 

 

If the world was destroyed and some future civilization uncovered Yankee stadium, they would have assumed it is a religious temple. It is an amplitheather, where hundreds and thousands of people gather to watch a pontifex maximus on a patch of sacred soil, within a square. The top of the temple has many names of the temple's chief priests, pepsi, casio, metlife.com. The pontifex maximus was likely supported by four other sacred priests, which stood on each corner of the square surrounding. There was also likely a cadre of vestal virgins which stood outside of the sacred square leading religious chants. 

 

If you really think about it, that's not too far off from the truth. Except for the virgins part. Cheerleaders are famously known for having more cocks than a chicken farm. 

[Milord]

Columbus portuguese forever

[Shadowstar1922]

happy late indigenous people's day

[Hysteria]

Its a celebration of the start of the slave trade. !@#$ columbus

Edited October 19, 2015 by Hysteria