Thalmor Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Pretty much what the title says. In many polls, he's either #1 or #2, and he certainly knows what he's doing. I mean, he's filed for bankruptcy several times, and each time, he's bounced back like nothing ever happened. He's also built his fortune of several billions dollars from the ground up. People who are stupid don't know how to do that, people who can't negotiate certainly can't do that. A huge part of politics is negotiation, and even though he may not have formal political experience, he certainly has experience with other things that are very useful for a politician to have. I also like his aggressive, blunt attitude. I mean, I like other candidate to. I like Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Scot Walker, Ben Carson, and Carly Fiorina. But I think Donald Trump is really a serious contender here, and seeing so many people scoff him off with ''he's not a serious candidate'' really confuses me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saruman Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Well, here's a list of reasons why: He's a billionaire, and doesn't even need donors for his campaign. He said that Mexican immigrants are drug dealers, rapists, and murderers. He hasn't really discussed anything other than immigration. He has called numerous news reporters losers for not supporting him. He thinks it's poor people's fault if they live in poverty. And more, but I think I've made my points. 1 Quote º¤ø„¤¤º°¨ ø„¸¸„¨ ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸ ¨°º¤ø„¸ GOD EMPEROR BIO DRANDO¨°º¤ø„¸ ¨°º¤ø„¸ BIO DRANDO GOD EMPEROR¨°º¤ø„¸ ¨°º¤ø„¤¤º°¨ ø„¸¸„¨ ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Alex Posted July 11, 2015 Administrators Share Posted July 11, 2015 Yeah, he's just campaigning for the attention and publicity. Not because he actually wants to become President. I think he does this like every election. 5 Quote Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadin Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Nobody in the GOP 2016 clown car is a serious candidate. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNG Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 He's serious in that, yes, he is seriously running for president of the United States. Otherwise, I think many other people would make vastly better presidents. Quote "They say the secret to success is being at the right place at the right time. But since you never know when the right time is going to be, I figure the trick is to find the right place and just hang around!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <Kastor> He left and my !@#$ nation is !@#$ed up. And the Finance guy refuses to help. He just writes his !@#$ plays. <Kastor> And laughs and shit. <Kastor> And gives out !@#$ huge loans to Arthur James, that !@#$ bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted July 11, 2015 Author Share Posted July 11, 2015 Nobody in the GOP 2016 clown car is a serious candidate. Can you go into more detail why? I mean, I can understand Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, and Rick Perry, but what about Jeb Bush? What about Ben Carson? Such a blanket statement like that is odd. I could just be ignorant on the matter, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwemyrn Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Yeah, he's just campaigning for the attention and publicity. Not because he actually wants to become President. I think he does this like every election. This is the first year he actually filled out the paperwork. Quote -removed by thor- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodo Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Isn't most of his "billions" actually inherited? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadin Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Can you go into more detail why? I mean, I can understand Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, and Rick Perry, but what about Jeb Bush? What about Ben Carson? Such a blanket statement like that is odd. I could just be ignorant on the matter, though. Nobody wants another Bush in the White House. Scott Walker nearly got recalled by the people in his own state. Ben Carson? If the GOP nominates Carson then they might as well not even try to win the general election. I've always said, and I stand by this, that the only GOP candidate who could stand a legitimate chance of winning the election in 2016 is Mitt Romney - And he's not running, thankfully. If you seriously consider Jeb Bush as somebody you would vote for then I have to strongly recommend that you reconsider. We don't need another member of that family in office ever. The first one couldn't even win a second term and the second one committed the greatest foreign policy blunder of the modern era when he invaded Iraq. We can't seriously be this stupid as a society. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 His hair? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted July 11, 2015 Author Share Posted July 11, 2015 Nobody wants another Bush in the White House. Scott Walker nearly got recalled by the people in his own state. Ben Carson? If the GOP nominates Carson then they might as well not even try to win the general election. I've always said, and I stand by this, that the only GOP candidate who could stand a legitimate chance of winning the election in 2016 is Mitt Romney - And he's not running, thankfully. If you seriously consider Jeb Bush as somebody you would vote for then I have to strongly recommend that you reconsider. We don't need another member of that family in office ever. The first one couldn't even win a second term and the second one committed the greatest foreign policy blunder of the modern era when he invaded Iraq. We can't seriously be this stupid as a society. I don't support Jeb Bush, I only mentioned his name in relation to rather or not he's a ''serious candidate'' I'm against him as much as the next guy. Bush never had my vote because it's quite clear he's just a typical politician who has no political foundation except for whatever gets him the most popularity. Carson's extremely popular, though. I know social media isn't the best of sources to go for political information, but his page as 1.6 million likes. For comparison, Hilliary has just over 1 million, Jeb Bush has just a few hundred thousand, and Trump has two million. Of course, the election is still over a year away, so it's way to early to compare numbers and come to conclusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadin Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I don't support Jeb Bush, I only mentioned his name in relation to rather or not he's a ''serious candidate'' I'm against him as much as the next guy. Bush never had my vote because it's quite clear he's just a typical politician who has no political foundation except for whatever gets him the most popularity. Carson's extremely popular, though. I know social media isn't the best of sources to go for political information, but his page as 1.6 million likes. For comparison, Hilliary has just over 1 million, Jeb Bush has just a few hundred thousand, and Trump has two million. Of course, the election is still over a year away, so it's way to early to compare numbers and come to conclusions. Yeah, social media is a terrible way to judge a candidate's electability. Bernie Sanders has 1.4m likes on Facebook, but he is generally considered a long shot candidate. It may be theoretically possible that he could win the nomination, but his popularity on Facebook is hardly an indicator of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted July 11, 2015 Author Share Posted July 11, 2015 Yeah, social media is a terrible way to judge a candidate's electability. Bernie Sanders has 1.4m likes on Facebook, but he is generally considered a long shot candidate. It may be theoretically possible that he could win the nomination, but his popularity on Facebook is hardly an indicator of that. What do you think of Clinton, Estelle? I think her performance so far has been very poor in terms of campaigning. Her treatment of the media is cartoonish, and I think her popularity is overblown- but maybe I'm not looking at the situation very clearly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braunsberg Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) Pretty much what the title says. In many polls, he's either #1 or #2, and he certainly knows what he's doing. I mean, he's filed for bankruptcy several times, and each time, he's bounced back like nothing ever happened. He's also built his fortune of several billions dollars from the ground up. People who are stupid don't know how to do that, people who can't negotiate certainly can't do that. A huge part of politics is negotiation, and even though he may not have formal political experience, he certainly has experience with other things that are very useful for a politician to have. I also like his aggressive, blunt attitude. I mean, I like other candidate to. I like Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Scot Walker, Ben Carson, and Carly Fiorina. But I think Donald Trump is really a serious contender here, and seeing so many people scoff him off with ''he's not a serious candidate'' really confuses me. Partially because even a lot of Republicans don't take him seriously because they consider him economically irresponsible (he's had a less-than-admirable past with running corporations); one side of my family is Tea Party and even they don't like Donald Trump. The most likely contenders for the Republican nomination will be Marco Rubio, Scott Walker and Jeb Bush. Ben Carson and Ted Cruz are both probably too radical to get many of the moderate Republican votes; that may also prove problematic for Rubio (although he's not as far as Cruz or Carson). Personally I think Jeb Bush will win the Republican primaries (I'm a Democrat though). Yeah, social media is a terrible way to judge a candidate's electability. Bernie Sanders has 1.4m likes on Facebook, but he is generally considered a long shot candidate. It may be theoretically possible that he could win the nomination, but his popularity on Facebook is hardly an indicator of that. Bernie Sanders is definitely a long shot, but Facebook isn't really the reason he seems to be getting attention; he actually has made some significant jumps in several states recently. The sizes of his rally crowds have gone from like 300 to 10,000 in just a couple months. Hillary Clinton has a pretty clear shot, but depending on how primary debates and campaigning go, it's possible that Bernie Sanders could make a surprise. Even if he doesn't, the popularity he's gaining could very easily push Hillary Clinton's politics further left. P.S. I'm voting for Bernie Sanders. Edited July 11, 2015 by Roma Quote "Bibant, quoniam edere nolunt." ~ "Let them drink, since they do not wish to eat." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 Bernie Sanders is definitely a long shot, but Facebook isn't really the reason he seems to be getting attention; he actually has made some significant jumps in several states recently. The sizes of his rally crowds have gone from like 300 to 10,000 in just a couple months. Hillary Clinton has a pretty clear shot, but depending on how primary debates and campaigning go, it's possible that Bernie Sanders could make a surprise. Even if he doesn't, the popularity he's gaining could very easily push Hillary Clinton's politics further left. P.S. I'm voting for Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders is so torn for me. On one hand, I love the fact that he wants to take money out of politics. On the other hand, I hate how he's a socialist. He wants to raise the tax rate on the ''rich'' to 90%, which would spell economic disaster because then all the ''rich'' will leave the country, taking their money and jobs with them. I would know because my mother falls into the ''rich'' tax bracket, and a lot more than just 10% of our income goes to wages and utility bills, so a 90% tax rate would put us out of business. He also said that America must apologize for slavery, which is a very asinine thing to say. Sources: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/247257-sanders-we-have-got-to-apologize-for-slavery http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/05/26/3662773/sanders-90-percent-tax/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braunsberg Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Bernie Sanders is so torn for me. On one hand, I love the fact that he wants to take money out of politics. On the other hand, I hate how he's a socialist. He wants to raise the tax rate on the ''rich'' to 90%, which would spell economic disaster because then all the ''rich'' will leave the country, taking their money and jobs with them. I would know because my mother falls into the ''rich'' tax bracket, and a lot more than just 10% of our income goes to wages and utility bills, so a 90% tax rate would put us out of business. He also said that America must apologize for slavery, which is a very asinine thing to say. Sources: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/247257-sanders-we-have-got-to-apologize-for-slavery http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/05/26/3662773/sanders-90-percent-tax/ For me, especially since I agree with almost all his views, Bernie Sanders is everything you could ask for out of a politician. He's basically maintained the same views and policies for like 35 years, which is almost unheard of for any politician (most of whom show up with a different set of values every time elections roll around); he even supported gays' rights in like the mid-80s, when you were basically labeled a quack for being pro-LGBT. I also like that Bernie Sanders is unafraid of making some claims that are very far ahead of American politics; even most other Democrats would be reluctant to openly say things like "America should be more like Scandinavia" and openly support ideals like socialism, which currently have little to no influence on American economics and politics. I too am a socialist, by the way (do not confuse socialism with communism, they are extremely different). The only thing I have found thus far that I disagree with Sanders about is the policy on drugs/marijuana; my opinion is that recreational marijuana should not be legal and that medical marijuana should simply be chemically processed to extract pharmaceutical compounds, rather than just letting people smoke it. But I'm an odd-ball Democrat when it comes to that. As for the 90% tax rate, you misunderstood what that article is saying. He's not saying he would tax all the rich people at 90%; he's saying he would set the MAXIMUM tax rate to 90%. Since income tax is graduated, that means only the tip-top richest people would have that high a tax, not just rich people in general. As the article mentions, President Eisenhower had the maximum tax rate at 92%, even higher, and during that time the US economy was booming, not withering away as you suggest. Regarding slavery, I don't see anything wrong with making a formal apology. The Pope recently apologized for the atrocities committed against Native Americans in the name of Christianity, and that was even longer ago. Such an apology is just another way of recognizing that we as a people and nation have moved beyond inhumane practices like slavery. 2 Quote "Bibant, quoniam edere nolunt." ~ "Let them drink, since they do not wish to eat." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Baldarius Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 He also said that America must apologize for slavery, which is a very asinine thing to say. That is so stupid. I mean, almost every major country in the world (Code word ALMOST) supported slavery at one time or another. America, Britian, France, Russia..... Im not saying its a good thing. Heck, it was a horrible thing, as Sanders said. However, while it was a horrifying, it happened, as it did evewrywhere else in the world at its time. We adressed it, we fixed our ways. I see nothing else that needs to happen. Quote THE NEW PRUSSIAN EMPIRE! Kaiser Nikolai Baldarius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 He also threatened to bomb Iraq's oil fields to prevent ISIS, then send Exxon and other major oil providers to rebuild the infrastructure once the situation settles down. Someone with that mindset has no idea of economics. >files bankruptcy>bounces back Yeah, not hard to bounce back when people idiotically keep loaning you money after filing multiple bankrupts. 2 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braunsberg Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 He also threatened to bomb Iraq's oil fields to prevent ISIS, then send Exxon and other major oil providers to rebuild the infrastructure once the situation settles down. Someone with that mindset has no idea of economics. >files bankruptcy >bounces back Yeah, not hard to bounce back when people idiotically keep loaning you money after filing multiple bankrupts. You might want to specify that you're talking about Donald Trump, not Bernie Sanders, haha. 1 Quote "Bibant, quoniam edere nolunt." ~ "Let them drink, since they do not wish to eat." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braunsberg Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 What do you think of Clinton, Estelle? I think her performance so far has been very poor in terms of campaigning. Her treatment of the media is cartoonish, and I think her popularity is overblown- but maybe I'm not looking at the situation very clearly. I'm not Estelle, but if I can answer your question... honestly, as it seems now, Hillary Clinton is the most likely person to win the presidency. She's had a very successful political track record relative to the current opponents, and she's probably going to be the one with the most far-reaching minority support. She has strong connections with Wall Street, so has lots of resources (not necessarily a good thing though), but she is also very popular among grassroots organizations/efforts. In addition, her social policies mean that she has secure control over left-wing votes, and her more moderate approach to economic policies means that she could very easily garner a respectable number of votes from moderate Republicans as well. And, lastly, there are lots of Americans who would like to see another Clinton in the White House (those who aren't hung up on Bill Clinton's personal affairs), given Bill Clinton's highly successful economic policies and his excellent ability to bring compromises and agreements through Congress. Not only is Clinton an immensely strong candidate, but at this point in time the Republicans are relatively weak when it comes to presidential elections. This is because their division into Tea Party Republicans and ordinary Republicans has produced a much wider range of candidates with very specific values. The influence of the Tea Party also means that the nominee will probably be more radical than Republican candidates of the recent past (like John McCain), and some moderate Republicans may be more willing to vote for Hillary Clinton than a more radical Republican since they may be ideologically more similar. 1 Quote "Bibant, quoniam edere nolunt." ~ "Let them drink, since they do not wish to eat." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Nobody in the GOP 2016 clown car is a serious candidate. Hillary isn't, either. He said that Mexican immigrants are drug dealers, rapists, and murderers. Statistically, some have to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saruman Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Hillary isn't, either. Statistically, some have to be. A recent poll showed that if the voting was today, Hillary would win in a landslide, with Jeb Bush in second. Also, here's this quote from Donald Trump. "Mexico are not our friends, they are sending immigrants that are rapists, murderers, and drug dealers into our country" Quote º¤ø„¤¤º°¨ ø„¸¸„¨ ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸ ¨°º¤ø„¸ GOD EMPEROR BIO DRANDO¨°º¤ø„¸ ¨°º¤ø„¸ BIO DRANDO GOD EMPEROR¨°º¤ø„¸ ¨°º¤ø„¤¤º°¨ ø„¸¸„¨ ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braunsberg Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Hillary isn't, either. Statistically, some have to be. Simply because most of the Republican Party despises the Clinton family does not mean Hillary Clinton is not a serious candidate. Simply talking numbers, most of the Republican candidates right now do not have very significant backing - Jeb Bush is at the top of them now but still is not incredibly influential, and Scott Walker is gaining, but the rest of them are stretching their luck. Meanwhile Hillary Clinton has had a very long-lasting and popular presence in the Democratic Party, and therefore if she is nominated she will have easy control over the Democratic votes. Any one of the current Republican candidates will have difficulty fully securing the Republican vote because opinion is so divided and specified; that means the Republicans could very well be at risk of losing some of their moderate votes to center-left candidates like Hillary Clinton. As for Mexican immigrants, the problem with Trump's claims is that he is insinuating that most of them are such criminals. While some of them certainly are, the vast majority of them are simply impoverished people who are desperate for some sort of a living. If immigrants were really as criminal and troublemaking as Trump suggests, then our entire southwest and California would basically be complete anarchy because of the huge Hispanic populations there. Quote "Bibant, quoniam edere nolunt." ~ "Let them drink, since they do not wish to eat." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Just so you know, I didn't mean serious as in winning. I meant what they will do in office. A recent poll showed that if the voting was today, Hillary would win in a landslide "Mexico are not our friends, they are sending immigrants that are rapists, murderers, and drug dealers into our country" Which would be bad. What exactly are her accomplishments? I never actually heard/saw this quote. Nice to know, considering one of my good friends is from Mexico. (We still need to build a wall) -snip- See above post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saruman Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Just so you know, I didn't mean serious as in winning. I meant what they will do in office. Which would be bad. What exactly are her accomplishments? I never actually heard/saw this quote. Nice to know, considering one of my good friends is from Mexico. (We still need to build a wall) See above post. Well... She was first lady, she was the secretary of state, she was also a senator, so yeah Quote º¤ø„¤¤º°¨ ø„¸¸„¨ ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸ ¨°º¤ø„¸ GOD EMPEROR BIO DRANDO¨°º¤ø„¸ ¨°º¤ø„¸ BIO DRANDO GOD EMPEROR¨°º¤ø„¸ ¨°º¤ø„¤¤º°¨ ø„¸¸„¨ ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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