Prefonteen Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) If he refuses to explain the the reasons behind his opinion, that is ultimately his problem, as it will reflect poorly upon him. Once again though, I sincerely wonder what this has to do with The Syndicate as a whole, and why you lads felt so compelled to call us out. Perhaps the issue to me has more to do with the fact that I had hoped for more tact from you, especially provided that we have - what I consider to be - a good working relation. Be that as it may, what's done is done. Edited March 31, 2015 by Partisan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefontaine Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Perhaps the issue to me has more to do with the fact that I had hoped for more tact from you, especially provided that we have - what I consider to be - a good working relation. Be that as it may, what's done is done. Perhaps I just got fed up with baseless opinions being spewed at me and my alliance? You claim that this damages our relationship, but I'm supposed to ignore repeated uninformed opinions trying to speak negatively about my alliance? I sent you a PM before this all began, I told you I wasn't going to deal with him with kid gloves. He wanted to keep pushing his uninformed opinion, so I kept pointing out the lack of information he was basing said opinion on. If you can't handle me pointing out that multiple voices of dissent keep coming from the same place, perhaps you should do something to stop them? Else don't take offense when someone points out what your members are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Perhaps I just got fed up with baseless opinions being spewed at me and my alliance? You claim that this damages our relationship, but I'm supposed to ignore repeated uninformed opinions trying to speak negatively about my alliance? I sent you a PM before this all began, I told you I wasn't going to deal with him with kid gloves. He wanted to keep pushing his uninformed opinion, so I kept pointing out the lack of information he was basing said opinion on. If you can't handle me pointing out that multiple voices of dissent keep coming from the same place, perhaps you should do something to stop them? Else don't take offense when someone points out what your members are doing. This has little to do with what I "can and can not handle". If you are incapable of handling the dissent which flows from the initiation of a controversial move, perhaps you should not have made the move at all. Dissent is a natural by-product of any aggressive action one takes. To cry foul when one criticizes your actions in a public thread is silly to say the least. You sent me a passive-aggressive pm regarding the matter, which is a clear indicator of you understanding that the dissent you seem so agitated by does not come from The Syndicate as an entity. Yet, you followed that up with directly contradicting that sentiment in this thread before even giving any syndicate official the chance to follow up in any way whatsoever. As for opinions being uninformed: They are, because you did not properly inform them. They go off of what they see and hear on these forums, and apparently have based a negative opinion off of it. Is it my fault that the information stream apparently was not that good? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefontaine Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 This has little to do with what I "can and can not handle". If you are incapable of handling the dissent which flows from the initiation of a controversial move, perhaps you should not have made the move at all. Dissent is a natural by-product of any aggressive action one takes. To cry foul when one criticizes your actions in a public thread is silly to say the least. You sent me a passive-aggressive pm regarding the matter, which is a clear indicator of you understanding that the dissent you seem so agitated by does not come from The Syndicate as an entity. Yet, you followed that up with directly contradicting that sentiment in this thread before even giving any syndicate official the chance to follow up in any way whatsoever. As for opinions being uninformed: They are, because you did not properly inform them. They go off of what they see and hear on these forums, and apparently have based a negative opinion off of it. Is it my fault that the information stream apparently was not that good? You should check the timestamps on the private message versus the game forum post about the Syndicate, assuming you have forum time matching game time. Thank you for making my point for me, they go off what they see and hear. Since the bulk of the dissent comes from GPA and tS (GPA's being obvious, they're being attacked), tS members seem to be perpetuating an environment that produces said negative opinion towards Guardian. The information about GPA's activities have been posted on these forums, they can go find it, Tim even helped it. I've not been hiding political reasons. You can claim the information stream isn't good, but you seem to basically be the only alliance saying that. Thus the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 You should check the timestamps on the private message versus the game forum post about the Syndicate, assuming you have forum time matching game time. Thank you for making my point for me, they go off what they see and hear. Since the bulk of the dissent comes from GPA and tS (GPA's being obvious, they're being attacked), tS members seem to be perpetuating an environment that produces said negative opinion towards Guardian. The information about GPA's activities have been posted on these forums, they can go find it, Tim even helped it. I've not been hiding political reasons. You can claim the information stream isn't good, but you seem to basically be the only alliance saying that. Thus the problem. Guardian is evil, they kill neutrals. Sigma and Asgard are next, mark my words. 1 Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefontaine Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Guardian is evil, they kill neutrals. Sigma and Asgard are next, mark my words. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) You should check the timestamps on the private message versus the game forum post about the Syndicate, assuming you have forum time matching game time. Thank you for making my point for me, they go off what they see and hear. Since the bulk of the dissent comes from GPA and tS (GPA's being obvious, they're being attacked), tS members seem to be perpetuating an environment that produces said negative opinion towards Guardian. The information about GPA's activities have been posted on these forums, they can go find it, Tim even helped it. I've not been hiding political reasons. You can claim the information stream isn't good, but you seem to basically be the only alliance saying that. Thus the problem. Up until Tim kindly provided relevant information, the information was foggy. Once Tim cleared things up, we even got Iso on record stating: If I had known about this, I probably wouldn't have helped them save face. A simple post similar to that one would apparently have done the trick. You chose to attack these tS members verbally, as opposed to maintaining composure and calmly showing them the facts. Whether it was warranted or not, you actively chose not to engage in dialogue "because they are ignorant". Once again: I do not necessarily agree with the sentiment of my members, but I will voice my displeasure at you framing this as being some kind of Syndicate conspiracy, after you yourself perpetuated a situation in which so much can be left open to interpretation. The short but effective dialogue between Tim and Iso is all the tangible proof needed to support the above. EDIT: That said, it is time to end this conversation. It appears that we have both said what we needed to say. There is no use continuing a circular argument. You know where to find me on IRC (or in-game) if you have any concerns. Edited March 31, 2015 by Partisan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speaker Faris Wheeler Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 1 Quote Peace will never be accomplished without war, but war cannot happen without peace.... or something like that idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I love your love action Lust is just a distraction No talking, just looking Watching your love action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isolatar Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I love your love action Lust is just a distraction No talking, just looking Watching your love action tl;dr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placentica Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Glad this was brought to a swift end. Grillick, it was fun, man. Your Dome is awesome, mine sucks, and it was good experience to see how huge military's go at each other. You are an asset to your alliance, especially from a military standpoint, and GPA is lucky to have you. 3 Quote Hello! If you don't like this post please go here: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=usercp&tab=core&area=ignoredusers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Bob Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Does anyone else find it ironic that part of the agreement is that GPA allows themselves to be attacked without defending and beiged? Why not just a simple truce to end ungoing wars? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bolivar Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 This thread makes me sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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