Popular Post Lu Xun Posted December 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2019 -One thing I've observed with Knightfall as well as the Pantheon war is the deleterious effects of spine-stiffening. An alliance that refuses to peace, despite being utterly overwhelmed, tends to bleed off members. Some alliances think this is a good thing, because it's the removal of "shit" members. But it's also a power play from an IA perspective. The members that remain tend to be more loyal to their alliance leadership and more fanatical in their loyalty. In general, if you wish to consolidate power, get your alliance rolled. You'll lose half your members, but if you don't get couped as a consequence, you'll purge off most of your disloyal members, or at least have an opportunity to purge rivals in your government structure. 1 6 4 Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artifex Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Get rolled often and get rolled hard. 4 Quote Love you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montgomery Burns Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Rock and roll 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flanderlion Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) I actually agree. Best wars are when you get rekt, both as an individual and for an alliance, trims the fat as most of the fair weather players go away. Edited December 3, 2019 by Flanderlion Fixed text size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Trimming the fat off of an alliance can be a really good thing, but it's dangerous if you start to lose your core members too. A useful but dangerous gambit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalev60 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 GPA rebrand kind of happened because we started loosing core members left and right, although getting rolled once in a while, and not for half a year at a time is generally a good thing, also IA will have a easier time with the rebuild after lets say 100 members collected you cash and now you have to rebuild 40 Quote Charlie Chaplin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Prefonteen Posted December 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Inst said: -One thing I've observed with Knightfall as well as the Pantheon war is the deleterious effects of spine-stiffening. An alliance that refuses to peace, despite being utterly overwhelmed, tends to bleed off members. Some alliances think this is a good thing, because it's the removal of "shit" members. But it's also a power play from an IA perspective. The members that remain tend to be more loyal to their alliance leadership and more fanatical in their loyalty. In general, if you wish to consolidate power, get your alliance rolled. You'll lose half your members, but if you don't get couped as a consequence, you'll purge off most of your disloyal members, or at least have an opportunity to purge rivals in your government structure. Yes I am definitely consolidating a fanatical powerbase around myself to crusade at my every whim. Fear me. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) Point that people missed is that getting rid of EMC fat is one thing, but getting repeatedly rolled just gets you fanatics, who often are incompetent. Deliberately getting rolled twice isn't about losing EMC fat, but is more about political consolidation. So yeah, this is going to attract downvotes. I don't care. As I've mentioned before, the IJA and PVA (in Korea) espoused a man over materiel strategy. In the former case, it got Japan nuked because the Americans got fed up with their shit, and in the latter case, the only thing saving the Chinese from American strategic bombing was that the Soviets were backing them and the Americans were piss-scared of overwhelming Soviet force. Even in the latter case, the PVA took massive casualties, especially once the war bogged down into a stalemate situation where breaking the front line without heavy equipment (coordinated and sustained artillery bombardment, aerial bombardment, tanks) was suicide. Edited December 3, 2019 by Inst Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 39 minutes ago, Inst said: Point that people missed is that getting rid of EMC fat is one thing, but getting repeatedly rolled just gets you fanatics, who often are incompetent. Deliberately getting rolled twice isn't about losing EMC fat, but is more about political consolidation. So yeah, this is going to attract downvotes. I don't care. As I've mentioned before, the IJA and PVA (in Korea) espoused a man over materiel strategy. In the former case, it got Japan nuked because the Americans got fed up with their shit, and in the latter case, the only thing saving the Chinese from American strategic bombing was that the Soviets were backing them and the Americans were piss-scared of overwhelming Soviet force. Even in the latter case, the PVA took massive casualties, especially once the war bogged down into a stalemate situation where breaking the front line without heavy equipment (coordinated and sustained artillery bombardment, aerial bombardment, tanks) was suicide. I have no idea how to accurately relate your anology or point to whats happening politically ingame right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redarmy Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 The best thing ever to happen to me was watching my planes melt under Mensa and T$ attack. Quote "Though it starts with a fist it must end with your mind." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamala Khan Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 A short war is the best way to trim off fat, one that lasts a few weeks, a month at max. After that, you run the risk of losing core members, and it just grows the longer the war goes on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micchan Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I can confirm, this is our 14th month of being rolled by everyone and we have more members than some month ago 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Micchan said: I can confirm, this is our 14th month of being rolled by everyone and we have more members than some month ago That's what you get for being a snake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micchan Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, Prefonteen said: That's what you get for being a snake. But we are a very solid snake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, Micchan said: I can confirm, this is our 14th month of being rolled by everyone and we have more members than some month ago Mainly because you're up to about 55% inactives. At some point, this war will transition from a war to a Pax Pacifica, i.e, while no one (outside of AK) is going to be dumb enough to post "unilateral declaration of victory", you're going to be reduced to the status of raiders and be suppressed as such indefinitely. Forget peace. Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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