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Healthcare: Why Bernie Sanders is MARGINALLY better than Trump

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I hope that we can all agree that the Graham-Cassidy bill is a !@#$ing joke, right? Even healthy young people who never paid a day's worth of taxes know that the GOP Healthcare bill is going to bend them over and plow their ass.

That being said, Bernie Sanders is a dipshit idiot. By posing his bill on the Senate floor with the GOP bill up in the air, he is essentially making people choose between two opposite extremes: a single-payer system that will bankrupt America or a give-no-!@#$-sucks-to-be-fat-and-have-heart-disease bill that will literally kill people. Some speculate that this debate (and the subsequent attachment of 'socialism' to Bernie) would up the approval of the GOP bill from 15% to around 40%, potentially changing the minds of people like McCain and the only three women in the GOP party. 

Bernie is a short-sighted dipshit who is doing this to garner attention so that he can run in 2020 on the democratic ticket despite being A !@#$ing INDEPENDENT YOU LITTLE WHINY SHITS! By pulling this stupid fiasco, he is breathing life into a bill that should have stay dead. If he really cared about the working class people, he could have proposed this dipshit idea after the Republican bill falls flat on its face in a week instead of giving it a chance to pass. Bernie is either too damn stupid or too detached from reality to realize he could be !@#$ing the entire nation with his egotistical need for the spotlight on his dipshit ideas. 

He's still marginally better than Trump though. Bernie is an egotistical idiot detached from reality. Trump is an egotistical idiot detached from reality who doesn't have a single moral fiber in his entire 270 pound butterball-KFC finger-licking fat ass. Both might end up !@#$ing at least 1/6th of the American economy. 

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I'll just say I registered Democrat over the past election just to vote for Bernie.

Whether that was a mischief vote or not, I've no comment.  :-P

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Hasn't this been a thing for quite a while? Building up to something, getting people fired up... and then saying that you're going to hold off for a while because there is a Republican bill up right now would not sit well with the people supporting him. Also even if the whole bankrupting America thing were true those who support it don't care, you should know this.

If Comrade Sanders was smart though he'd have a private chat with President Trump, talk about their youths when they were growing up in New York (they grew up 15 miles apart), what an inspiration the Donald is, and how the young people totally love Universal healthcare and they'd love Trump like they do him if he supported it too. By the next day Trump would be putting forward them doing Universal healthcare himself. 

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Seriously? Sanders is one of the best Congressional representatives that we have. Single-payer absolutely would not bankrupt the US either. The main reason our existing government health programs is that they're prohibited from negotiating rates as private insurers can (and do). They already perform administration at a fraction of the private sector.

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On 10/22/2017 at 2:11 PM, ComradeMilton said:

The main reason our existing government health programs is that they're prohibited from negotiating rates as private insurers can (and do). 

So the reason why a number of VA hospitals didn't answer the ambulance bay pager within five minutes was because they are prohibited from negotiating rates as private insurers can do? 

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3 minutes ago, WISD0MTREE said:

So the reason why a number of VA hospitals didn't answer the ambulance bay pager within five minutes was because they are prohibited from negotiating rates as private insurers can do? 

To be entirely fair, VA hospitals are most often understaffed. The VA hospital that I am associated with has at least 50% of it's medical personnel borrowed from surrounding hospitals and clinics. I know for a fact that the VA (at least the one I'm familiar with and what everyone tells me about other VA hospitals) can't service all the vets, so they send them to private clinics to get treatment under the Veteran's Choice Program. The insurance claims under those private clinics are often complicated and unresponsive if those private clnics have any issues, so vets get billed and everyone gets pissed, throwing a wrench into the system. 

Honestly, the infrastructure for most VA hospitals are outdated as it is. The funding is nice, but can't really keep up with the demands of the facility, particularly with the insistence that VA affairs (and only VA affairs) takes care of ALL veterans, when it's quite obvious it sometimes cannot. 

Ironically enough, the democrat and republican positions on this issue is reversed: Democrats want increase funding for the VCP to have veterans start seeking care in the private sector, while republicans want to improve the state-sponsored position. It perhaps has something to do with the fact that the VCP was instituted under Obama. VCP runs through a 3rd party government contractor, which the Republicans do get right when they say 3rd party government contractors suck nuts. In all honesty, I think the future of the VA is really dependent upon both private sector care supplemented with VA primary care, though probably not dependent upon a 3rd party government contractor. 

By the way, if people are wondering the one thing Trump did right, it was putting 2 billion into the Veteran's Choice Program. It's pretty much the only piece of legislation he passed. 

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The VA can get better, but lack funding. My stepmother has an advanced degree is counseling and maintains per diem duties so far for about four years for when/if the VA hospital nearby receives enough funding to add another staff member.

I don't know what specific incident you are referring to, but Medicare is not permitted to negotiate rates.  They maintain half the cost of administrative duties compared to private insurance companies and if it were permitted to negotiate like the private insurers would likely not actually need legislation in order to come very, very close to single-payer because it's a legitimately better option.

During the aftermath of Obamacare the insurance industry explained they'd need to raise their rates. Obviously this is to point to the high cost caused by Obamacare, but complete leaves out the 40 million new customers introduced into their risk pool which would more than take care of any substantive basis. It's almost as if they took advantage of their customers by both squeezing them for more money than they could justify in the future and since there would unlikely to be customer follow-up about an incident it's easy to blame the same thing on Obamacare (which they don't like, obviously). See if they reduce costs back to pre-Obamacare levels if you'd like better validation of what they've done.

If they don't reduce it they've basically temporarily suppressed a better program that would hurt theirs, a pseudo-justification for massive premium increases and benefits reductions and justifying massive increases in costs from the now, very, very expanded risk pool, which would actually reduce their risk substantially.

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On 23/09/2017 at 0:47 AM, Caecus said:

He's still marginally better than Trump though. Bernie is an egotistical idiot detached from reality.

Bernie bent over and took it from the establishment whilst Trump tackles them head on (4d chess, lol).

This is the face of a man who has just been screwed over by a pot-bellied goblin because the establishment deemed it so. He just has to sit tight and act like everything is fine knowing that Hillary's election was all a sham. That the entire DNC is run by a group of corrupts.

Trump is certainly a better president. Have you seen how well he's been going with foreign relations.

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7 hours ago, Pylon69 said:

Bernie bent over and took it from the establishment whilst Trump tackles them head on (4d chess, lol).

This is the face of a man who has just been screwed over by a pot-bellied goblin because the establishment deemed it so. He just has to sit tight and act like everything is fine knowing that Hillary's election was all a sham. That the entire DNC is run by a group of corrupts.

Trump is certainly a better president. Have you seen how well he's been going with foreign relations.

"Have you seen how well he's been going with foreign relations." 

No question mark. Which makes me think this is a sarcastic rhetorical question with bad grammar. Is English your second language? If it is, you are not welcome in Trump's America. 

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On 11/29/2017 at 5:54 AM, Pylon69 said:

Bernie bent over and took it from the establishment whilst Trump tackles them head on (4d chess, lol).

This is the face of a man who has just been screwed over by a pot-bellied goblin because the establishment deemed it so. He just has to sit tight and act like everything is fine knowing that Hillary's election was all a sham. That the entire DNC is run by a group of corrupts.

Trump is certainly a better president. Have you seen how well he's been going with foreign relations.

Assaulting other heads of government in NATO? Suggesting NATO may or may not be a strong or reliable collective defense alliance (that helped us in Afghanistan in a massive way specifically due to NATO), trying to get Mexico to build or pay for a wall, passing on Israeli intelligence to Putin... of the top of my head. Maybe "well" means something else in your language.

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1 hour ago, ComradeMilton said:

Assaulting other heads of government in NATO? Suggesting NATO may or may not be a strong or reliable collective defense alliance (that helped us in Afghanistan in a massive way specifically due to NATO), trying to get Mexico to build or pay for a wall, passing on Israeli intelligence to Putin... of the top of my head. Maybe "well" means something else in your language.

Man up (oh no, not gender neutral). Lol at your claim of assault. 

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Can you tell me who the US ambassador to South Korea is? And how long have they been at that post? 

 

The Trump administration's "foreign relations" is a !@#$ing joke. It's non-existent for pretty much all of our allies and most countries in the world, and pathetically underwhelming for everyone else. If you thought Obama's foreign policy was bad, at least he had a foreign policy. 

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4 hours ago, Rozalia said:

Man up (oh no, not gender neutral). Lol at your claim of assault. 

What would've been the result if someone did that to a President of the US?

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5 minutes ago, ComradeMilton said:

What would've been the result if someone did that to a President of the US?

They'd be given a peace prize, be on Time's man of the year edition, get labelled a hero, their face would be put on millions of shirts, so on. 

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I hope you're really young IRL. Your opinions, knowledge of facts and generally displayed forums posting would be absolutely embarrassing if you were an adult. Nice dodge on all of the examples of poor foreign relations displayed by Trump by just making stuff up, but it's not very convincing.

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On 29/11/2017 at 8:55 PM, Caecus said:

Is English your second language? If it is, you are not welcome in Trump's America. 

Would I be in yours? You seem so welcoming.

22 hours ago, ComradeMilton said:

Assaulting other heads of government in NATO? Suggesting NATO may or may not be a strong or reliable collective defense alliance (that helped us in Afghanistan in a massive way specifically due to NATO),

Nato should be disbanded, The countries should muster up their own military's if anything. Allowing everyone to put forces together so they can easily gang up on anyone that doesn't bend to their will is a genuine concern. Anyways it's the EU that plan on starting up an EU army which will probably dissolve or gobble up NATO. Gluing together different military's doesn't make for a very cohesive fighting force which has been proven time and time again.  

trying to get Mexico to build or pay for a wall,

What's wrong with imposing a tax on the Mexican's for trying to do absolutely nothing to stop illegal immigration and criminal networks penetrating into their neighbors borders. Why must America pay for everything if their neighbour won't even attempt to help solve a problem that stem's from their own borders(Sorry that's not true, but I think you know what I mean).

passing on Israeli intelligence to Putin...

Since when was it a bad foreign relations move to pass on strategic intelligence to an ally? Just let your ally run blindly into shit and get killed? How very American. America and Russia are in this together to defeat ISIS and bring peace to the Middle East. Even if their end goal is opposing, the current objectives are the same.

of the top of my head. Maybe "well" means something else in your language.

I don't understand how you of all people can find this controversial. As much as I hate the term fake news I think you've been watching to much CNN. This is the same kinda hysteria I'd expect from them.  

 

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6 hours ago, Pylon69 said:

Would I be in yours? You seem so welcoming.

 

!@#$, please. My country already has a wall to keep out those Mexican murderers and rapists. 

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Assaulting other heads of government in NATO? Suggesting NATO may or may not be a strong or reliable collective defense alliance (that helped us in Afghanistan in a massive way specifically due to NATO),

Nato should be disbanded, The countries should muster up their own military's if anything. Allowing everyone to put forces together so they can easily gang up on anyone that doesn't bend to their will is a genuine concern. Anyways it's the EU that plan on starting up an EU army which will probably dissolve or gobble up NATO. Gluing together different military's doesn't make for a very cohesive fighting force which has been proven time and time again.  If we're going to disband NATO nuclear proliferation (something we and the US as well as the other members of the nuclear club are going to be developed by all of the former NATO countries leading to a much more dangerous situation. Secondly it pretty much permits Putin from acting just as Hitler did with respect to isolationist governments during his time. The EU is developing a military and it's going well so far. No reason to think it'd dissolve. NATO did very well in Afghanistan and considering that's the first and so far only time it's been used is basically already shown to work and work well.

trying to get Mexico to build or pay for a wall,

What's wrong with imposing a tax on the Mexican's for trying to do absolutely nothing to stop illegal immigration and criminal networks penetrating into their neighbors borders.  Well, firstly as Mexico is just as sovereign as the United States, the United States has no ability to tax them. Why must America pay for everything if their neighbor won't even attempt to help solve a problem that stem's from their own borders(Sorry that's not true, but I think you know what I mean).

America trying to get Mexico to pay for Trump's enormous wall is not paid by Mexico because they're not the ones who want it and it's being built (as is usual) a good deal inside our borders, not on the border line itself.

Absolutely nothing? There are arrests all the time and frankly their job is to keep people out of Mexico who do not belong, not help cover US Border Patrol. America must pay since Mexico is just as sovereign a country as we are and don't really care about another wall that's going to cost a fortunate and is already being used (the design, that is) by cartels to find the best ways to defeat it. 

passing on Israeli intelligence to Putin... Well, for one Israel supplies us with intelligence under the agreement that it's only held between the Israeli intelligence services and the American intelligence servers. We do something similar and attach NOFORN on intelligence we do not want sent outside of the United States. Since when was it a bad foreign relations move to pass on strategic intelligence to an ally? Putin has specifically said he is not a friend of Trump or the United States and is quite logically looking out for Russian interests. Leaking Israeli intelligence is a problem because why would Israel continue to do so under the Trump administration, given its handling of some of the other things that were provided to the US. The problem is now there's a really good reason for Israel to absolutely never share anything with us again. Just let your ally run blindly into shit and get killed? How very American. America and Russia are in this together to defeat ISIS and bring peace to the Middle East. Even if their end goal is opposing, the current objectives are the same. Russia disagrees with this, by the way.

of the top of my head. Maybe "well" means something else in your language.

I don't understand how you of all people can find this controversial. As much as I hate the term fake news I think you've been watching to much CNN. This is the same kinda hysteria I'd expect from them.  I read AP and Reuters, both of which are about as bias-free as possible since subscribing news agencies can't use reports tinged by bias to either side of the political spectrum. There is also video coverage clearing showing Trump do as I stated.  What do you suppose would happen if a NATO head of government did that to the current US President? Nothing good at all.

 

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17 hours ago, ComradeMilton said:

If we're going to disband NATO nuclear proliferation (something we and the US as well as the other members of the nuclear club are going to be developed by all of the former NATO countries leading to a much more dangerous situation. Secondly it pretty much permits Putin from acting just as Hitler did with respect to isolationist governments during his time. The EU is developing a military and it's going well so far. No reason to think it'd dissolve. NATO did very well in Afghanistan and considering that's the first and so far only time it's been used is basically already shown to work and work well.

I really don't think Putin wants to become an Isolationist. If anything it's the Western countries that have been forcefully isolating Putin via embargoes and such. Kinda what they're doing to North Korea now, Which doesn't really help anyone in the end. Russia needs trading partners, I don't think I understand what you meant by isolationist. Also I really don't think handling a bunch a rural farmers with guns is something to be chuffed about, Then again America did lose the Vietnam war. 

America trying to get Mexico to pay for Trump's enormous wall is not paid by Mexico because they're not the ones who want it and it's being built (as is usual) a good deal inside our borders, not on the border line itself.

Absolutely nothing? There are arrests all the time and frankly their job is to keep people out of Mexico who do not belong, not help cover US Border Patrol. America must pay since Mexico is just as sovereign a country as we are and don't really care about another wall that's going to cost a fortunate and is already being used (the design, that is) by cartels to find the best ways to defeat it. 

Can't argue that. Though I've heard some stuff that Trump can just cut the aid they give to Mexico as a means of payment. Sovereign nation or not Mexico should be doing more about their crime problem as America is incapable of solving their problems. but there is to much corruption in Mexico for that to ever happen. So in the end it's the citizen's that have to suffer. 

passing on Israeli intelligence to Putin... Well, for one Israel supplies us with intelligence under the agreement that it's only held between the Israeli intelligence services and the American intelligence servers. We do something similar and attach NOFORN on intelligence we do not want sent outside of the United States. Since when was it a bad foreign relations move to pass on strategic intelligence to an ally? Putin has specifically said he is not a friend of Trump or the United States and is quite logically looking out for Russian interests. Leaking Israeli intelligence is a problem because why would Israel continue to do so under the Trump administration, given its handling of some of the other things that were provided to the US. The problem is now there's a really good reason for Israel to absolutely never share anything with us again. Just let your ally run blindly into shit and get killed? How very American. America and Russia are in this together to defeat ISIS and bring peace to the Middle East. Even if their end goal is opposing, the current objectives are the same.

Russia disagrees with this, by the way.

What happens publicly and behind closed doors are too very different things. So your saying Russia and America aren't trying to defeat ISIS? Plus If Russia denies not being Trumps friend nor ally why the fudge would Trump risk shit by providing them with Israeli intelligence? For shits and giggles? These pieces of the puzzle just don't fit. Pus it's logical for Russia to work with the USA in Syria as they both want them out so they can get to building that pipeline. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/06/the-us-warned-the-russians-ahead-of-syria-missile-strikes-official.html link of Trump's devilish Russian collusion. Israel is America's greatest ally. I really don't think they'll stop shit. Something else is going on. I don't know what But what was Israels comment on having it's intel leaked? 

I read AP and Reuters, both of which are about as bias-free as possible since subscribing news agencies can't use reports tinged by bias to either side of the political spectrum. There is also video coverage clearing showing Trump do as I stated.  What do you suppose would happen if a NATO head of government did that to the current US President? Nothing good at all.

AP and Reuters still have to get funding from somewhere. But that's good. Trump hysteria seems to be everywhere anyways. 

https://www.reuters.com/video/2017/05/25/trump-shoves-fellow-nato-leader-aside-on?videoId=371753409

Just checked that "assault" video. I hope he didn't fracture his shoulder blade. Dude that's barely a shove. But this is just further evidence that Trump's a mad man. See the position he assumes after walking past. This action reminds me of this. He's like one of those bullies from school. !@#$ing hilarious.

 

 

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If we're going to disband NATO nuclear proliferation (something we and the US as well as the other members of the nuclear club are going to be developed by all of the former NATO countries leading to a much more dangerous situation. Secondly it pretty much permits Putin from acting just as Hitler did with respect to isolationist governments during his time. The EU is developing a military and it's going well so far. No reason to think it'd dissolve. NATO did very well in Afghanistan and considering that's the first and so far only time it's been used is basically already shown to work and work well.

I really don't think Putin wants to become an Isolationist. I didn't say he did. He quite demonstrably does not want or practice isolationist policies. If anything it's the Western countries that have been forcefully isolating Putin via embargoes and such. That's not isolationism, it's punishment against Russia for the number of human rights violated. Kinda what they're doing to North Korea now, Which doesn't really help anyone in the end. Russia needs trading partners, I don't think I understand what you meant by isolationist.  Isolationism during the time I mention is very similar to what the Swiss did and continue to do. They remain outside of conflicts. Also I really don't think handling a bunch a rural farmers with guns is something to be chuffed about, Then again America did lose the Vietnam war. 

America trying to get Mexico to pay for Trump's enormous wall is not paid by Mexico because they're not the ones who want it and it's being built (as is usual) a good deal inside our borders, not on the border line itself.

Absolutely nothing? There are arrests all the time and frankly their job is to keep people out of Mexico who do not belong, not help cover US Border Patrol. America must pay since Mexico is just as sovereign a country as we are and don't really care about another wall that's going to cost a fortunate and is already being used (the design, that is) by cartels to find the best ways to defeat it. 

Can't argue that. Though I've heard some stuff that Trump can just cut the aid they give to Mexico as a means of payment. Still better than spending the gargantuan amount of unnecessary of fencing or walling over the entire Southern border.  Sovereign nation or not Mexico should be doing more about their crime problem as America is incapable of solving their problems. but there is to much corruption in Mexico for that to ever happen. So in the end it's the citizen's that have to suffer. What aid?

passing on Israeli intelligence to Putin... Well, for one Israel supplies us with intelligence under the agreement that it's only held between the Israeli intelligence services and the American intelligence servers. We do something similar and attach NOFORN on intelligence we do not want sent outside of the United States. Since when was it a bad foreign relations move to pass on strategic intelligence to an ally? 1, The US and Israel are not formal allies. Putin has specifically said he is not a friend of Trump or the United States and is quite logically looking out for Russian interests. Leaking Israeli intelligence is a problem because why would Israel continue to do so under the Trump administration, given its handling of some of the other things that were provided to the US. The problem is now there's a really good reason for Israel to absolutely never share anything with us again. Just let your ally run blindly into shit and get killed? How very American. America and Russia are in this together to defeat ISIS and bring peace to the Middle East. Even if their end goal is opposing, the current objectives are the same. If Israel thinks its intelligence sharing with the US is risked (for example by giving it to Putin) Israel is going to stop sharing it. Given how well-tuned Israel is to most of the Arab countries surrounding them and having better sources the loss of that source is very bad for the United States on a long-term basis.

Russia disagrees with this, by the way.

What happens publicly and behind closed doors are too very different things. So your saying Russia and America aren't trying to defeat ISIS? Plus If Russia denies not being Trumps friend There's no if, there's a video quotation of that being said by Putin in an interview. nor ally why the fudge would Trump risk shit by providing them with Israeli intelligence? blackmail most likely. They hacked HRC, why wouldn't they do the same for Trump? How much more do you think has been intercepted about Trump that would do horrible things to his ability to remain in office. For shits and giggles? These pieces of the puzzle just don't fit. Pus it's logical for Russia to work with the USA in Syria as they both want them out so they can get to building that pipeline. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/06/the-us-warned-the-russians-ahead-of-syria-missile-strikes-official.html link of Trump's devilish Russian collusion. Israel is America's greatest ally. Israel is not an ally.  I really don't think they'll stop shit. Something else is going on. I don't know what But what was Israels comment on having it's intel leaked? Israel doesn't generally pass on things like that to the public. If they can't trust the US with shared data taken by its intelligence sources it's not going to continue doing so with this result.

I read AP and Reuters, both of which are about as bias-free as possible since subscribing news agencies can't use reports tinged by bias to either side of the political spectrum. There is also video coverage clearing showing Trump do as I stated.  What do you suppose would happen if a NATO head of government did that to the current US President? Nothing good at all.

AP and Reuters still have to get funding from somewhere. Subscription from member news organizations and the sharing of news and video amongst members from either political side because if they choose one side over another that's basically the end of them being useful to the press. But that's good. Trump hysteria seems to be everywhere anyways. 

https://www.reuters.com/video/2017/05/25/trump-shoves-fellow-nato-leader-aside-on?videoId=371753409

Just checked that "assault" video. I hope he didn't fracture his shoulder blade. Dude that's barely a shove. But this is just further evidence that Trump's a mad man. See the position he assumes after walking past. This action reminds me of this. He's like one of those bullies from school. !@#$ing hilarious.

What would've happened, do you think, if in a NATO meeting of heads of government another head of government had done that to Trump? A lot being the answer.

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It's really one of the most useful manners to post. Everything remains where it is as a single post and a different color allow to easily dispute points while keeping the post size not enormous.

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Bernie? Better than Trump on Healthcare? Bernie's floated some ideas. Batshit insane and unworkable they may be because it's the US, but there's nothing that Trump's really proposed. Guess it depends on whether you think a crazy effort is better than no effort at all, but I'm going with "crazy effort" being better than none at all.

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Single-payer works, saves money, and provides a better quality of care. There's nothing unworkable about it at all. Many, if not most, polled doctors want single-payer. The French medical system exceeds ours in quality with a socialist structure and they have been able to reduce taxes because it works so much better than something like our system.

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20 minutes ago, ComradeMilton said:

Single-payer works, saves money, and provides a better quality of care. There's nothing unworkable about it at all. Many, if not most, polled doctors want single-payer. The French medical system exceeds ours in quality with a socialist structure and they have been able to reduce taxes because it works so much better than something like our system.

Yeah, but the French aren't $20 Trillion in debt. Maybe single-payer does save money in the long term. Maybe it does provide better quality of care. But until we as a country figure out how we are going to deal with an entire generation of short-sighted old !@#$ who want to live life large at the expense of its posterity, single-payer is a !@#$ing pipe dream. Anyone who says single-payer would somehow reduce that debt now is discounting basic facts of reality.

 

If anyone is even remotely worried about where our country is headed, perhaps we should be raising taxes and reducing entitlements, not lowering taxes and ignoring the massive hole in the budget that is (mostly) caused by entitlement spending policy. In the words of Libertarians, "IT'S A !@#$ing PONZI SCHEME!"

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