Canik Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Attacking Soldiers (Available: 220) Don't Use Munitions Attacking Tanks (Available: 49) Defending Soldiers: 0 Defending Tanks: 0 220 Soldiers + 49 Tanks VS 0 Soldiers 0 TanksGuess who wins?The guy with 0 Soldiers 0 Tanks!This makes no sense, plz fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Hippo Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 It's working as intended, infra provides resistance. You're not going to take over a country of millions with an Army of 250 and a few tanks bro. Quote ^oo^ (..) () () ()__() Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Yeah, your Infra/Pop has a natural defense. It's very small, but it's there. 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooves Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I ran sims 10 times with 200 soldiers no munitions against a 2000 infra city. Apparently the sims aren't taking into account this. Then I ran 2 attacks against an 800 infra city on test server. 200 soldiers no munitions, both came out phyrric victories. You're attacking into around 900 infra with far more value then that with an utter defeat. Should definitely be looked at and clarified. This should also be in tech support and not in suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canik Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 It's working as intended, infra provides resistance. You're not going to take over a country of millions with an Army of 250 and a few tanks bro. The country I'm attacking only had 932k population, plus I'm just attacking one of his cities right? Not the whole nation at once. His top city has 110k pop. Plus I'm not taking it over, just raiding it. 250 soldiers and 50 tanks could successfully raid a 110k population city. (in real life) The city would have to be very well prepared to stop the 50 tanks from causing serious damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avruch Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I don't know what country you are talking about. If you tried to raid New York City with 250 soldiers and 50 tanks you'd be wiped out before you left the Bronx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canik Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 I don't know what country you are talking about. If you tried to raid New York City with 250 soldiers and 50 tanks you'd be wiped out before you left the Bronx. I just gave you the population stats. Learn to read? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avruch Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I just gave you the population stats. Learn to read? Sorry, did you mention a country in your population stats? Country is the question I asked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekejen Luish Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 50 tanks can cause damage. Doesn't mean they can't be defeated. Quote This is very small Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I'm curious, did you get an utter failure or a Phyric victory ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Don't quote me on this, but I think city defense is 0.03*pop=unarmed soldiers. Maybe 0.003. I had to do a lot of numbers today. Someone can try to see what makes more sense. Maybe even 0.0003. I know it had a 3 in it. 250 soldiers and 50 tanks could successfully raid a 110k population city. (in real life) The city would have to be very well prepared to stop the 50 tanks from causing serious damage. France, maybe. Not the US of A. http://www.gunbroker.com/ Actually, maybe not even France. Quick Google showed 356 police/1000. The same ratio would be 39,160 police, not counting ex-mil, organized crime, resistance efforts, etc. It's pretty easy to throw together some ammonium nitrate + alcohol in a trash can in an urban area. Black powder is 75% saltpeter, 15% charcoal, 10% sulfur. (Disclaimer: This post is for educational purposes only.) I don't know what country you are talking about. If you tried to raid New York City with 250 soldiers and 50 tanks you'd be wiped out before you left the Bronx. This. Hell, you wouldn't even get through Texas City probably if you landed there and were marching to Houston. I'm curious, did you get an utter failure or a Phyric victory ? I'm not sure these are what he is referencing, but I found them on his war timelines. Both were utter failures where he lost 130 soldiers and 2 tanks total. 09/19/2016 08:16 pm Comrade Canik of Yorke Volta ordered a ground attack upon the nation of unitedcountry led by King Bigfoot. The attack was an utter failure. Comrade Canik's forces lost 50 soldiers and 1 tanks, while King Bigfoot's defenders lost 0 soldiers and 0 tanks. The attack destroyed 0.00 infrastructure in the city of 420 Town and 0 improvements. Comrade Canik stole $0.00 in the attack. 09/19/2016 08:17 pm Comrade Canik of Yorke Volta ordered a ground attack upon the nation of unitedcountry led by King Bigfoot. The attack was an utter failure. Comrade Canik's forces lost 80 soldiers and 1 tanks, while King Bigfoot's defenders lost 0 soldiers and 0 tanks. The attack destroyed 0.00 infrastructure in the city of 420 Town and 0 improvements. Comrade Canik stole $0.00 in the attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 the rate is .005 of civilians as defending militia 1 Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 the rate is .005 of civilians as defending militia Damn, could've sworn it was a 3. What was the 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Damn, could've sworn it was a 3. What was the 3? 3 soldiers per 5 tanks probs, but that's outdated now. Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 3 soldiers per 5 tanks probs, but that's outdated now. I looked back through the archives. It was something I was pushing for with spies. Ignore my stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canik Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 Don't quote me on this, but I think city defense is 0.03*pop=unarmed soldiers. Maybe 0.003. I had to do a lot of numbers today. Someone can try to see what makes more sense. Maybe even 0.0003. I know it had a 3 in it. France, maybe. Not the US of A. http://www.gunbroker.com/ Actually, maybe not even France. Quick Google showed 356 police/1000. The same ratio would be 39,160 police, not counting ex-mil, organized crime, resistance efforts, etc. It's pretty easy to throw together some ammonium nitrate + alcohol in a trash can in an urban area. Black powder is 75% saltpeter, 15% charcoal, 10% sulfur. (Disclaimer: This post is for educational purposes only.) This. Hell, you wouldn't even get through Texas City probably if you landed there and were marching to Houston. I'm not sure these are what he is referencing, but I found them on his war timelines. Both were utter failures where he lost 130 soldiers and 2 tanks total. 09/19/2016 08:16 pm Comrade Canik of Yorke Volta ordered a ground attack upon the nation of unitedcountry led by King Bigfoot. The attack was an utter failure. Comrade Canik's forces lost 50 soldiers and 1 tanks, while King Bigfoot's defenders lost 0 soldiers and 0 tanks. The attack destroyed 0.00 infrastructure in the city of 420 Town and 0 improvements. Comrade Canik stole $0.00 in the attack. 09/19/2016 08:17 pm Comrade Canik of Yorke Volta ordered a ground attack upon the nation of unitedcountry led by King Bigfoot. The attack was an utter failure. Comrade Canik's forces lost 80 soldiers and 1 tanks, while King Bigfoot's defenders lost 0 soldiers and 0 tanks. The attack destroyed 0.00 infrastructure in the city of 420 Town and 0 improvements. Comrade Canik stole $0.00 in the attack. Yep those are the battles I was referencing. About the realism of it - so you throw those things in a trash can and then what? will is blow up with enough force to destroy a tank? I don't think it would be as easy to stop 50 tanks as some of you think. The idea that population = resistance makes sense but it should be much, much less effective vs tanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Toss a thousand Molotov cocktails at a tank and its going to burn. Seems like they should do infra damage though? Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 About the realism of it - so you throw those things in a trash can and then what? will is blow up with enough force to destroy a tank? I don't think it would be as easy to stop 50 tanks as some of you think. The idea that population = resistance makes sense but it should be much, much less effective vs tanks. Sure. Look at the image in the spoiler. (Granted, that was an entire rental truck, but the point stands.) Or what Rahl said. Tanks are worth 40 soldiers, IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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