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By this logic what is stopping VE, Rose, UPN, or any other alliance bigger than you from raiding you? Would you expect any form of repayment? Or just accept the hit and move on? You don't have to act that way, and the exaggerated concept just gives you a distasteful demeanor. Hereno is one of the more disliked leaders in the game and it speaks volumes that most of the non-mensa posts are siding with him. I'm done doing with the back and forth because clearly my words aren't going very far with you.

This is a game about the long term, if you make enemies early on you are going to suffer for it later. War is a part of this game but that's why you start alliance wide wars, typically with a valid cb. I'm not blaming any of you for hitting SI after the war was officially present; I'm saying it was naive of you to raid an alliance with a forum presence and active players (one of which is Hereno) and expect no response. Your obviously co-ordinated reaction to this thread at the start shows me that you guys do give a damn about the community's perspective of you, so now pretending like you don't care and are warring because "it's part of the game" is you resorting to trying to cover up the mistakes you made that were pointed out by several people on this thread and the one Hereno started.

Despite how active the member is or not it is still a member whose score and nation resides within the alliance. I think it's normal to pay reps and offer peace even for inactives out of good will and to not come across as disrespectful to another alliance - Rose has and still does pay reps and offer peace to nations that our young nations (without knowing the consequences of raiding) attack, and I'm sure several other alliances do the same. I'm not saying that Mensa should've paid extra or anything, but if you did the damage it's only common courtesy to try and fix it when the leader approaches you about it. Maybe that's just the culture I was led to believe is the norm, perhaps in other nation sims this is something entirely unheard of.

I can say that this thread was a bit too far but irregardless of cg's poetry it appears Mensa is the one at fault for hitting another alliance that is active and on the forums. The PR hit from this is going to outweigh whatever benefits you guys may get from rolling SI.

o/ Jodo o/ Noir You had a good run.

I'm back in Rose, so you should join

Ily Jafah

I am very sad to see Cody go as he was once my mentor - I hope its a smooth transition with the new gov lineup, and congrats Tenages! o/ Cody (ily) o/ SK

Why would you start trying to recruit someone who already seems so arrogant despite having no history here?

The Guns n Roses Treaty Welcome To The Jungle: Rose, an avid drum player was walking home from work on a lonely night - Rose heard something in the distance. After searching around for a bit the beautiful sound was found to be coming from Vanguard. It was at this point the two made a great connection and decided to be in a band together. Patience: Band members are around each other a lot and sometimes even live on the same bus together, this means that disagreements may happen from time to time. Despite whatever small issues may come Rose and Vanguard will always treat each other with respect and share any secrets for providing the best show. Knockin' on Heavens Door: Should any band member get into a fight at one of the after parties the other band member will always have his back. Paradise City: If there is ever a battle of the bands the entire band should be expected- unless one member is too busy with the groupies… Live and Let Die: There comes a time in every bands life when the players must move on to bigger and broader horizons, if a member is planning on leaving the band they must have their last band practice at least 10 days before their departure. Rose Government: Emperor - Keegoz Regent - Pubstomper Lord of War - Ranoik Lord of Internal Affairs - Belisarius Lord of Foreign Affairs - Carter0912 Vanguard Government: Commander - Rampage Lt Commander - Mr Hiott, The Speaker Field Marshal - Ragnarbuliwyf High Envoy - Tali Treasurer - Apeman TL;DR - Rose and Vanguard signed an MDoAP.

Glad to see some new alliances, and congrats on your protection from VE!

Welcome to the game and I'm glad you chose Rose

Good luck with repairing whatever remains of GPA and may you bring it back to a more ideal state. It is not always easy to stay optimistic and persevere through times like this, kudos to you for sticking it out. o/ GPA

We never talked much but I have always felt you were quite skilled mechanically and politically. I am curious to see what you can accomplish with Alpha and I wish you the best of luck. o/

I love you kangaroo man, and I love you Shelly.

gl hf o/

o/ LordStrum

Grealind sux.

cuns is a great name, 10/10

Phiney i <3 you irl

So you are your own boss?

I remember a time when you were not exactly on the best of terms, I'm glad to see the times change and bring new friendships!

Welcome to the game! Eager to see what you can do

I desire to know the plotters... and congratulations on the war experience and not needlessly carrying this on! o/ Pre o/ Guardian

Congrats Keegoz! o/ Rose o/ Kurd o/ Keegoz