Robert Ap Ioan Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Like this? Hundreds of civilians (450) killed in US-led air strikes on Isis targets – report | Link | How about bombing Fully Functioning Hospitals in Afghanistan and burning everyone inside alive? Have you seen me condoning the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? Nope, you have seen me condemning them often enough. I can't understand why Paris should be attacked when it has only ever been a minnow in these conflicts. If it is revenge they want they are hitting the wrong people. War is never the best solution. My preference is that we should have sent the SAS to capture bin Laden alive and try him for murder in a neutral country - the Hague would have worked. War is always regrettable. Personally I would also like to see Tony Blair on trial. 2 Quote Still a man hears what he wants to hearAnd disregards the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim (Banned) Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Have you seen me condoning the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? Nope, you have seen me condemning them often enough. I can't understand why Paris should be attacked when it has only ever been a minnow in these conflicts. If it is revenge they want they are hitting the wrong people. War is never the best solution. My preference is that we should have sent the SAS to capture bin Laden alive and try him for murder in a neutral country - the Hague would have worked. War is always regrettable. Personally I would also like to see Tony Blair on trial. So if you were president you would completely pull out of the middle east? If you are Anti-War then this is news to me; maybe you should voice that more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Ap Ioan Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 I am British I don't do presidents Prince maybe, being Cymreig...... What the Middle East needs is an international peace force, such as in Kosovo, to stop people from killing each other. That is a very different concept to a force of conquest, which is what has been going on at the moment. What the Middle East needs is stability, ISIS and other terrorist groups will not provide that. Where have I posted that I am pro war? Quote Still a man hears what he wants to hearAnd disregards the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim (Banned) Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) I am British I don't do presidents Prince maybe, being Cymreig...... What the Middle East needs is an international peace force, such as in Kosovo, to stop people from killing each other. That is a very different concept to a force of conquest, which is what has been going on at the moment. What the Middle East needs is stability, ISIS and other terrorist groups will not provide that. Where have I posted that I am pro war? What happens when that "peace force" comes under heavy attack? It doesn't sound very Anti-War to me but like "more war" under a different cloak. Edited November 15, 2015 by Ibrahim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Ap Ioan Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 The British forces have traditionally used the "hearts and minds" principle. You win the hearts of the local populace and there should be no need to fire against them. Firearms should only be used for defence, if you want to see the consequences of things going wrong look at Bloody Sunday. Quote Still a man hears what he wants to hearAnd disregards the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim (Banned) Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 The British forces have traditionally used the "hearts and minds" principle. You win the hearts of the local populace and there should be no need to fire against them. Firearms should only be used for defence, if you want to see the consequences of things going wrong look at Bloody Sunday. Let me get this straight: You're "ANTI-War" but if you were Prime Minister of the UK you would... Send British troops all over the Middle East as part of a "peace force" that is only allowed to defend itself and not go on the offensive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Ap Ioan Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 How is that pro-War? They would be the equivalent of armed police in a war-zone created by the natives and other people who have come into the Middle East. Quote Still a man hears what he wants to hearAnd disregards the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim (Banned) Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) How is that pro-War? They would be the equivalent of armed police in a war-zone created by the natives and other people who have come into the Middle East. Got you but let me just point out some flaws in your logic real quick. The peace forces are only allowed to defend themselves and won't be attacking the vast territory controlled exclusively by IS, AQ, and Taliban. The Mujahideen will attack the peace forces and then retreat back to the areas they control to plan their next attack, and the peace forces won't be allowed to go on the offensive to take the territory they control. Meaning they will be sitting ducks for constant waves of attacks that will inevitably come and there won't be the "peace in the Middle East" you were hoping for. Edited November 15, 2015 by Ibrahim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Ap Ioan Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Not if you put special forces in to capture them behind enemy lines. Quote Still a man hears what he wants to hearAnd disregards the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim (Banned) Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Not if you put special forces in to capture them behind enemy lines. I'm not talking about a very small localised attack but a large scale attack targeting the peacekeepers simultaneously across multiple fronts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekejen Luish Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Quote This is very small Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim (Banned) Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 How about you stop bombing Syria? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Von Dietrich Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) How about you stop bombing Syria? Once again, another indirect statement supporting ISIS. I'm wondering why the Mod's haven't noticed this. He clearly shows he supports the so called "Islamic State" in real life, and is trying to put it on this site. The French Government supports the FSA, are anti-Assad and anti-ISIS/Daesh. So yeah, you pretty much pointed that out there. Edited November 16, 2015 by Francisco Franco Bah 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I see Ibrahim has finally gotten out of police detention. 3 Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 How about you stop bombing Syria? Your nonsense is crass enough on it's own, but you just got to keep doing it even now huh. Beyond that you hate them for bombing the boys in black, nothing to do with civilians so don't pretend otherwise. You're the same person who when faced with reports of ISIS killing children simply chose to ignore it, continuing your repeated claims they only kill "enemy combatants". 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim (Banned) Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 You're both trying too hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vosunda Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 You guys act like Ibrahim isn't representative of a large contingent of Islam. While he's certainly more vocal about it than most, he's at least ideologically consistent with his doctrine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU&feature=youtu.be&t=136 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 You guys act like Ibrahim isn't representative of a large contingent of Islam. While he's certainly more vocal about it than most, he's at least ideologically consistent with his doctrine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU&feature=youtu.be&t=136 Its why I mentioned reform involving ripping out all those vile parts out. If those Muslims (and the holier than thou crowd) spouting platitudes are truly against the killing of Homosexuals/Apostates/so on and all the other stuff like Sharia... then what would be the problem exactly? Words are meaningless, lets have some actual action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim (Banned) Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 We should flatten Raqqa. A city of 220,488 civilians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 A city of 220,488 civilians. Or enemy combatants as you'd call them. They're in Raqqa and not killing ISIS so clearly they are all enemy combats, that was your logic to justify ISIS killing museum managers and such wasn't it? Or are you saying the populace there do not support the gallant ISIS? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/15/western-leaders-urge-putin-at-g20-to-change-course-in-syria Predictable they'd use these attacks in this manner. They could reverse the war on ISIS by quite simply no longer aiding their bought and paid regime change brigade, the so called "moderates" who a great deal of are fanatics themselves, but no Putin is the bad man in all this. EU seems to be defending it's open door policy which will go down real well with people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim (Banned) Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Nevertheless, Raqqa is burning. Pray For Raqqa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim (Banned) Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 !@#$ Paris. How dare you, boy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) Pray For Raqqa. How dare you, boy! Cute. Lunatics dying in Raqqa == civilians dying in Paris. Edited November 16, 2015 by Rozalia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pax Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) Are you guys actually serious? I get that Ibrahim is good at upsetting people, but sitting here advocating the burning of a city with over 200,000 civilians is screwed up regardless of which side it was on. If that ever happened the other way around there would be an international uproar. Not everyone over there, shit, not even a majority of people over there support the cause of ISIS or do any of the !@#$ed up things that a reasonable person would advocate against. It's a massacre of more people than ISIS has killed in total Ya'll need to chill just as much as he does, everybody goes full retard the second he posts. Edited November 16, 2015 by Pax 3 Quote <+JohnHarms> We need more feminists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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