WISD0MTREE Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) Pol Pot: Leader of the Khmer Rouge which is responsible for 1.4-2.2 million deaths. Death Andres Behring Breivik: Killed 77 people, and injured 319 Death Jeffrey Dahmer: Killed 17 people but was also convicted of child molestation Death Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold: Killed 13 people and injured 21 Death James Eagan Holmes: Killed 12 injured 70 Death George Zimmerman: Killed 1 Hard labor in prison or death. Depends on my mood and the evidence. Edited July 9, 2014 by WISD0MTREE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiratePaul Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Pol Pot: Leader of the Khmer Rouge which is responsible for 1.4-2.2 million deaths.Public Execution with a sharp stickAndres Behring Breivik: Killed 77 people, and injured 319Death by Snu SnuJeffrey Dahmer: Killed 17 people but was also convicted of child molestationDeath by Firing SquadEric Harris and Dylan Klebold: Killed 13 people and injured 21Death by StoningJames Eagan Holmes: Killed 12 injured 70Public ExecutionGeorge Zimmerman: Killed 110-20 years prison (if it was even murder) DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE! YOU ARE A PIRATE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Jerry Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Too many posts to respond to in one reply. I firmly believe in the death penalty in certain cases. With today's technology, DNA and video, etc, those that commit murder in the first, serial child molesters and serial rapists should get the death penalty. In the case of the latter two, after their first offence....sure, jail time and rehabilitation...once they get out and commit the same crime again....death penalty. One of the biggest problems is the length of time someone sits on death row. The death row sentence needs to be revamped. I'd like to see something like....the criminal gets 5 or so years from the time of the original sentence to make as many appeals as they can, but on the final anniversary of the original sentence, regardless of the fact if they are currently in the middle of an appeal trial, the sentence would be carried out. The method....who cares. To those who say the methods we use are inhumane, is it humane for the murderer to filet the flesh off of their victims while they are still alive? I also believe a member of the victim's family should have first choice on the method of execution and implementation of the execution. If the family wishes to spare the murderers life....fine, that's their call. If they wish to have the death penalty to be issued, but can't do it themselves, then someone from the state would carry it out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Marx Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) The method....who cares. To those who say the methods we use are inhumane, is it humane for the murderer to filet the flesh off of their victims while they are still alive? I also believe a member of the victim's family should have first choice on the method of execution and implementation of the execution. If the family wishes to spare the murderers life....fine, that's their call. If they wish to have the death penalty to be issued, but can't do it themselves, then someone from the state would carry it out. An excerpt from our Bill of Rights: Article the eighth... Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. Your proposition is unconstitutional. Edited July 11, 2014 by Karl Marx "Your 'order' is built on sand. Tomorrow the revolution will already 'raise itself with a rattle' and announce with fanfare, to your terror: I was, I am, I will be!" - Rosa Luxemburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Jerry Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) An excerpt from our Bill of Rights: Article the tenth... Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.[/size] Your proposition is unconstitutional. Ha, ha......you fell into my trap beautifully! Have you ever heard of an "Amendment"? I guess not! Edited July 10, 2014 by Coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 ... I also believe a member of the victim's family should have first choice on the method of execution and implementation of the execution. If the family wishes to spare the murderers life....fine, that's their call. If they wish to have the death penalty to be issued, but can't do it themselves, then someone from the state would carry it out. If a member of my family was murdered and I could choose the method of execution for the convicted murderer, it would be by lethal injection and I'd have it in a stadium. There would be dozens of cameras but none of them would be directed at the murderer. Instead, they would be focused on the spectators whose actions and expressions would be broadcast to the world. Shortly after the "death", the murderer would open his eyes, rise, and announce to the audience that the injection was a placebo. Great television! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 If a member of my family was murdered and I could choose the method of execution for the convicted murderer, it would be by lethal injection and I'd have it in a stadium. There would be dozens of cameras but none of them would be directed at the murderer. Instead, they would be focused on the spectators whose actions and expressions would be broadcast to the world. Shortly after the "death", the murderer would open his eyes, rise, and announce to the audience that the injection was a placebo. Great television! You've got your priorities right! Second in Command of UPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiratePaul Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Solomon, I would do something similar.I would have all the cameras watching the crowd, and make the guy think that we weren't going to kill him. Then as soon as he stands up, and tries to walk off, I would announce that what we injected in him was nitroglycerin. Imagine the look on his face as he tries to figure out what to do without exploding! DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE! YOU ARE A PIRATE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Marx Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Ha, ha......you fell into my trap beautifully! Have you ever heard of an "Amendment"? I guess not! Amendments cannot be ignored just because they are amendments. According to Article Five of the Constitution, ratified amendments are "valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution". Because the Eighth Amendment is, in fact, a part of the Constitution (shocker!), violating it would be unconstitutional. Your proposition creates the potential for cruel and unusual punishment. This means it violates the Eighth Amendment. This means it is unconstitutional, and will be until the Eighth Amendment is repealed (i.e. hopefully never). "Your 'order' is built on sand. Tomorrow the revolution will already 'raise itself with a rattle' and announce with fanfare, to your terror: I was, I am, I will be!" - Rosa Luxemburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiratePaul Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Amendments cannot be ignored just because they are amendments. According to Article Five of the Constitution, ratified amendments are "valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution". Because the Eighth Amendment is, in fact, a part of the Constitution (shocker!), violating it would be unconstitutional. Your proposition creates the potential for cruel and unusual punishment. This means it violates the Eighth Amendment. This means it is unconstitutional, and will be until the Eighth Amendment is repealed (i.e. hopefully never). Well, do you think a rapist cares about what is considered 'cruel'? Why should we care how he is treated if he is willing to rape and beat a weaker woman? (Not meant in a sexist way.) DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE! YOU ARE A PIRATE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Well, do you think a rapist cares about what is considered 'cruel'? Why should we care how he is treated if he is willing to rape and beat a weaker woman? (Not meant in a sexist way.) Why do you automatically think all rapists are men who rape women? Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Juan Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) Why do you automatically think all rapists are men who rape women?Likely because what man would report being raped by a woman? The social stigma would be extreme and I wouldn't be surprised if the police themselves made fun of the person reporting it. Edited July 11, 2014 by Don Juan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiratePaul Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Men are physically stronger than women (averages). So for a woman to rape a man is very uncommon. And those people that report it are shamed and made fun of. DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE! YOU ARE A PIRATE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) ...one in six adolescent boys, have been sexually or physically abused or forced to have sex against their will http://listen.nycagainstrape.org/learn.html Edited July 11, 2014 by underlordgc Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Marx Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Well, do you think a rapist cares about what is considered 'cruel'? Why should we care how he is treated if he is willing to rape and beat a weaker woman? (Not meant in a sexist way.) At no point did I say whether or not I think a criminal deserves cruel and/or unusual punishment. I was merely stating that Coach's proposition (regardless of whether it's morally right or wrong) has the potential to violate people's rights as outlined in the Constitution. "Your 'order' is built on sand. Tomorrow the revolution will already 'raise itself with a rattle' and announce with fanfare, to your terror: I was, I am, I will be!" - Rosa Luxemburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiratePaul Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 http://listen.nycagainstrape.org/learn.html That is statutory rape. I consider that different. DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE! YOU ARE A PIRATE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 That is statutory rape. I consider that different. 5% of rape reports are by men so *shrug* Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenneth Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 A government that is willing to unnecessarily extinguish a life is a government that will eventually negate the value of all life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Willy Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Doesn't deter crime, costs tons of money and innocent people get executed, sad that we still have it in the 21st century Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoringNick Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 1 in 33 men are sexually assaulted by women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Doesn't deter crime, costs tons of money and innocent people get executed, sad that we still have it in the 21st century>debate section >stating opinion without proof Please try to debate. We haven't had enough executions to know if it does or doesn't. It is cheaper than life in prison if they are executed in a timely manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 It is cheaper than life in prison if they are executed in a timely manner. The cost of the trial itself is what skyrockets the cost. Didn't I post like 20 links a page or two back? Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 The cost of the trial itself is what skyrockets the cost. Didn't I post like 20 links a page or two back?I posted a link earlier, too. The reason it goes up most of the time is because of those groups who say it is unconstitutional or groups who purely want to stop them from dying. http://www.fed-soc.org/publications/detail/the-next-time-someone-says-the-death-penalty-costs-more-than-life-in-prison-show-them-this-article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 No, the reason the cost goes up is because executing people is unconstitutional, and right-minded advocates are doing what they can to convince the courts of that fact. "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 It's not so much that it's unconstitutional as that it's an anachronism. That's why it is and will continue to be an expensive choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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