Lelouch Vi Britannia Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Back to the OP. If there was no Islam, there would be no terrorism. Explain that liberals Terrorism is the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. As long as there are humans, and as long as humans have different ideal sets, some of them will kill one another. It hasn't always been muslims killing people, before that it was the Nazis, before that it was the Central Powers, and we go back all the way to the beginning of mankind. Millions of years, people kill people, simple as that. Islam is the next tool in which people are using to further their ideals. If you honestly think muslims are a huge problem, lots of people would argue it would be neo-nazis, or in the past it was Communists. In history there will ALWAYS be two or more conflicting ideals. Hell, there are Quran verses that describe them as "Dogs of hell" and the army of the anti-christ. 3 Quote Ex-Archduke of Defence for BK 3 minutes ago, Buorhann said: @Lelouch Vi Britannia - BK needs you, but they really don't deserve you. Thanks for the dankness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Terrorism is the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. As long as there are humans, and as long as humans have different ideal sets, some of them will kill one another. It hasn't always been muslims killing people, before that it was the Nazis, before that it was the Central Powers, and we go back all the way to the beginning of mankind. Millions of years, people kill people, simple as that. Islam is the next tool in which people are using to further their ideals. If you honestly think muslims are a huge problem, lots of people would argue it would be neo-nazis, or in the past it was Communists. In history there will ALWAYS be two or more conflicting ideals. Hell, there are Quran verses that describe them as "Dogs of hell" and the army of the anti-christ. I agree with pretty much everything here. National Socialism and Communism were both violently opposed. My question then is: Why isn't Islam violently opposed? Quote "Your cattle will die, your friends will die, you will die. But your reputation, if it is good, will never die." -excerpt from the Havamal "We are born into this time and must bravely follow the path to the destined end. There is no other way. Our duty is to hold on to the lost position, without hope, without rescue, like that Roman soldier whose bones were found in front of a door in Pompeii, who, during the eruption of Vesuvius, died at his post because they forgot to relieve him. That is greatness. That is what it means to be a thoroughbred. The honorable end is the one thing that can not be taken from a man." -Oswald Spengler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelouch Vi Britannia Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) I agree with pretty much everything here. National Socialism and Communism were both violently opposed. My question then is: Why isn't Islam violently opposed? Because Islam is also a religion practiced for hundreds of years. Islam doesn't threaten the world like National Socialism did, nor did it commit the millions of murders by Atheist Communist Leaders. Many many many Muslim people are fighting against ISIS, are serving the USA Military, Canadian Military, British Military, etc. Nazi's and Communists (Cold War Era Commies) were not serving the opposing side as much or even close to the amount of Muslims today defending the freedoms we have. Edit: In fact, muslim service for the USA dates back to the Revolutionary War Edited October 23, 2016 by Lelouch Vi Britannia 2 Quote Ex-Archduke of Defence for BK 3 minutes ago, Buorhann said: @Lelouch Vi Britannia - BK needs you, but they really don't deserve you. Thanks for the dankness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 As per the new moderation guidelines, this post is counting as this thread's first Verbal Warning. Please conduct yourselves in a positive manner within this sub-forum and refrain from personal insults. Quote It was a pleasure serving this community - Stay Frosty! Forum Rules ☆ Game Rules ☆ Terms of Service ☆ PW Wiki ☆ IRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) Because Islam is also a religion practiced for hundreds of years. Islam doesn't threaten the world like National Socialism did, nor did it commit the millions of murders by Atheist Communist Leaders. Many many many Muslim people are fighting against ISIS, are serving the USA Military, Canadian Military, British Military, etc. Nazi's and Communists (Cold War Era Commies) were not serving the opposing side as much or even close to the amount of Muslims today defending the freedoms we have. Edit: In fact, muslim service for the USA dates back to the Revolutionary War National Socialism didn't threaten the world any more than Islam threatens the world. Islam is still widely unreformed and thus violent in its teachings. They believe that any infidels should be killed in service of Allah. I don't dispute that there are some Muslims who don't fit into this category, but the majority refuse to denounce the acts of violence committed by ISIS and other Islamist terrorists. If they do not want to be lumped in with the rest, then these Muslim communities should be denouncing these acts en masse. If not, then they should get out of Western countries and take their violent religion elsewhere. We westerners cannot afford to take cultures and ideologies which are wholly incompatible with the Western world. Edit: Also, from personal experience I can tell you that many Muslims could care less about America and our freedoms. The ones I have encountered repeatedly insult Christians(and Jews) and are rabidly anti-American. They do not care to assimilate and still bring their disgusting culture into our country. If they do not want to conduct themselves like an American, then they have no reason to be here. It is as simple as that. Edited October 23, 2016 by Octavius Quote "Your cattle will die, your friends will die, you will die. But your reputation, if it is good, will never die." -excerpt from the Havamal "We are born into this time and must bravely follow the path to the destined end. There is no other way. Our duty is to hold on to the lost position, without hope, without rescue, like that Roman soldier whose bones were found in front of a door in Pompeii, who, during the eruption of Vesuvius, died at his post because they forgot to relieve him. That is greatness. That is what it means to be a thoroughbred. The honorable end is the one thing that can not be taken from a man." -Oswald Spengler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 How come hundreds of incidences of violence committed within the past 20 years have been perpetrated by people doing it in the name of Islam? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks If you want to argue Islam has nothing to do with the Islamic State, fine, whatever. However, some people will equate violence and Islam together because of the number of attacks. That is a basic fact regardless of if it's validated or not. I'd like to know why that is. Why is there so much violence involving Islam? Don't give me any bullshit about 'Christian terrorism' either. That nonsense is so irregular and statistically negligible that it's irrelevant to my question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelouch Vi Britannia Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 How come hundreds of incidences of violence committed within the past 20 years have been perpetrated by people doing it in the name of Islam? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks If you want to argue Islam has nothing to do with the Islamic State, fine, whatever. However, some people will equate violence and Islam together because of the number of attacks. That is a basic fact regardless of if it's validated or not. I'd like to know why that is. Why is there so much violence involving Islam? Don't give me any bullshit about 'Christian terrorism' either. That nonsense is so irregular and statistically negligible that it's irrelevant to my question. Simple: Once the Cold War bled into the Middle East and the United States started interfering with muslims they used this as an opportunity. The last 20 years (Or more It began roughly Cold War Era) muslims (or Middle Eastern Mujahideen) began attacking and seeking revenge against the United States. It is a sort of pattern if you would say, each and every race as well as ideal have their "turn" at becoming the other ping-pong player in politics. The Christians in the Medieval Era comitted tons of horrendous acts, as well as Europeans during Imperialism. Now since the Middle East is seeing this yet again they are lashing out. Now to wrap up the statement "Why is there so much violence involving Islam" The answer is simple: "Those who dont learn history are doomed to repeat, while those who study history are doomed to stand helplessly as the rest of the world repeats it" The muslims who are against the freedoms and values of the west are the ones who haven't learned history, and are brainwashed in a small confined area, once the USA and other forces exposed them to the light, they lashed out. Of course, there are billions of muslims, and even if 1000 of them commited an act of terror each, it is still a small percentage. Side Note: Anyone who clumps Islam and ISIS together, are helping ISIS PERIOD. 3 Quote Ex-Archduke of Defence for BK 3 minutes ago, Buorhann said: @Lelouch Vi Britannia - BK needs you, but they really don't deserve you. Thanks for the dankness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 1 Quote "Your cattle will die, your friends will die, you will die. But your reputation, if it is good, will never die." -excerpt from the Havamal "We are born into this time and must bravely follow the path to the destined end. There is no other way. Our duty is to hold on to the lost position, without hope, without rescue, like that Roman soldier whose bones were found in front of a door in Pompeii, who, during the eruption of Vesuvius, died at his post because they forgot to relieve him. That is greatness. That is what it means to be a thoroughbred. The honorable end is the one thing that can not be taken from a man." -Oswald Spengler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelouch Vi Britannia Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 National Socialism didn't threaten the world any more than Islam threatens the world. Islam is still widely unreformed and thus violent in its teachings. They believe that any infidels should be killed in service of Allah. I don't dispute that there are some Muslims who don't fit into this category, but the majority refuse to denounce the acts of violence committed by ISIS and other Islamist terrorists. If they do not want to be lumped in with the rest, then these Muslim communities should be denouncing these acts en masse. If not, then they should get out of Western countries and take their violent religion elsewhere. We westerners cannot afford to take cultures and ideologies which are wholly incompatible with the Western world. Edit: Also, from personal experience I can tell you that many Muslims could care less about America and our freedoms. The ones I have encountered repeatedly insult Christians(and Jews) and are rabidly anti-American. They do not care to assimilate and still bring their disgusting culture into our country. If they do not want to conduct themselves like an American, then they have no reason to be here. It is as simple as that. -Snip- Islam does not threaten the world like National Socialism. Within a mere 20 years, the Nazi's killed MILLIONS of people, including Muslims. However, Islam has been around for 600 years plus, and is nowhere near that body count. In this current century, Islam is being played as the Indians and the West is being played as the Cowboys. Granted there are muslims who are very radical and extreme, but once you start calling all Muslims like those extremists, you are simply making normal, moderate muslims feels disconnected from their community and force them to become extreme. How can you expect people to fit when you repeadly call them out and insult them? Once they respond back, because you are in a higher position you can easily over exaggerate things. Last I checked, Nazi's were not in the United States Military serving the country. Even if a majority of muslims are against the United states, thats at least 500 million people, more people than all of the USA. If you have a bad experience with muslims then thats fine, but you can't go out and say a majority of them are all evil. How do you think the one's protecting you at night and serving your country will feel, how do you think they will react when the very country they protect begin to lash out at them? This is the very thing ISIS wants, it wants people to isolate muslims in order to gain a much larger "fanbase" And the problem a vast majority of Muslims can't speak out is because they are worried for their families safety and their own skin. Have you not seen the numerous Imams killed by ISIS because they refused to swear their allegiance? Or the muslims with boots on the ground fighting against ISIS? Muslims are doing their part, granted not all, but a good amount are still making their progress. 3 Quote Ex-Archduke of Defence for BK 3 minutes ago, Buorhann said: @Lelouch Vi Britannia - BK needs you, but they really don't deserve you. Thanks for the dankness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Islam does not threaten the world like National Socialism. Within a mere 20 years, the Nazi's killed MILLIONS of people, including Muslims. However, Islam has been around for 600 years plus, and is nowhere near that body count. In this current century, Islam is being played as the Indians and the West is being played as the Cowboys. Granted there are muslims who are very radical and extreme, but once you start calling all Muslims like those extremists, you are simply making normal, moderate muslims feels disconnected from their community and force them to become extreme. How can you expect people to fit when you repeadly call them out and insult them? Once they respond back, because you are in a higher position you can easily over exaggerate things. Last I checked, Nazi's were not in the United States Military serving the country. Even if a majority of muslims are against the United states, thats at least 500 million people, more people than all of the USA. If you have a bad experience with muslims then thats fine, but you can't go out and say a majority of them are all evil. How do you think the one's protecting you at night and serving your country will feel, how do you think they will react when the very country they protect begin to lash out at them? This is the very thing ISIS wants, it wants people to isolate muslims in order to gain a much larger "fanbase" And the problem a vast majority of Muslims can't speak out is because they are worried for their families safety and their own skin. Have you not seen the numerous Imams killed by ISIS because they refused to swear their allegiance? Or the muslims with boots on the ground fighting against ISIS? Muslims are doing their part, granted not all, but a good amount are still making their progress. I highly doubt a majority Muslim population is serving in the U.S. military. Give me statistics or I call BS. Honestly your argument is starting to sound as ridiculous as "If we be more tolerant and welcoming to the migrants, maybe they will stop killing and raping us." Yes. It is the evil conservative's fault for being so bigoted and hurting Muslim feelings. They would never attack innocents for any other reason unless if was our fault. Sorry, but if someone goes out and commits mass murder because their "widle feeelwings wur hurt" then that is something wrong on their part. Quote "Your cattle will die, your friends will die, you will die. But your reputation, if it is good, will never die." -excerpt from the Havamal "We are born into this time and must bravely follow the path to the destined end. There is no other way. Our duty is to hold on to the lost position, without hope, without rescue, like that Roman soldier whose bones were found in front of a door in Pompeii, who, during the eruption of Vesuvius, died at his post because they forgot to relieve him. That is greatness. That is what it means to be a thoroughbred. The honorable end is the one thing that can not be taken from a man." -Oswald Spengler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelouch Vi Britannia Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) I highly doubt a majority Muslim population is serving in the U.S. military. Give me statistics or I call BS. Honestly your argument is starting to sound as ridiculous as "If we be more tolerant and welcoming to the migrants, maybe they will stop killing and raping us." Yes. It is the evil conservative's fault for being so bigoted and hurting Muslim feelings. They would never attack innocents for any other reason unless if was our fault. Sorry, but if someone goes out and commits mass murder because their "widle feeelwings wur hurt" then that is something wrong on their part. The fact you gave so little to respond to so much text tells me you aren't 100% sure on this topic. I assume you are also the type of person to not know that a Syrian terrorist who planned to commit an act of terror was stopped by his fellow refugees. Around 5000 muslims are serving the United States Military (As of 2015) and much more who have died serving the country. More even as police officers in the United States. I am not defending those who go out and murder innocent people (Allah accept those who are murdered by ISIS as martyrs) what I am saying is imagine a flipped world. Imagine a muslim army invades the USA, kills thousands upon thousands civilians because of what happened in Iraq and leave. I bet you, americans will fly right back and hit the muslims back. After all, when push comes to shove, all the guns are out. BUT, being a bigot in these times is no help at all. Edit: Last post of the day, Cadet Drill Team tryouts in the morning, Cheers! Edited October 23, 2016 by Lelouch Vi Britannia 1 Quote Ex-Archduke of Defence for BK 3 minutes ago, Buorhann said: @Lelouch Vi Britannia - BK needs you, but they really don't deserve you. Thanks for the dankness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Christians didn't pass it, liberal leadership in the West passed it. They still act against a majority of rednecks who would happily go back to gunning down anyone who breaks the law or looks a bit different to them. As I said earlier, the alt-right are (ideologically at least) the counterparts of radical islamists. 3 Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 As I said earlier, the alt-right are (ideologically at least) the counterparts of radical islamists. The alt-right is closer to Atheism, in that most people share a few core or even just one shared ideological view (God isn't real in the case of atheists) and then have a wide variety of opinions of other topics. I find it amusing that people who cry about racism, and bigotry in general, then proceed to paint a large amount of people with the same brush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Christ Posted October 23, 2016 Author Share Posted October 23, 2016 The alt-right is a white-knighted chauvinist without the chivalry. 1 Quote “Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it.†Ezekiel 16:49-50 ☠Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landontom Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 See what most people don't understand about ISIS is, the only thing they hate more than "the West" is a Muslim doing it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) Just ask a Native American how they feel about allowing another culture into the country, which brings not only their culture but their religion too, en masse. Edited October 24, 2016 by The King in Yellow 2 Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Ap Ioan Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I must be stupid trying to wade into a thread where facts are seen as stupid but here goes. Don't give me any bullshit about 'Christian terrorism' either. That nonsense is so irregular and statistically negligible that it's irrelevant to my question. I am guessing that the IRA and UDF are slightly before your time, heck they are just about before my time. Both sides claimed to be "true" Christians. Ulster was a war zone because of Christian affiliated groups. They may be irrelevant now but 30 years ago they certainly weren't. How short our memories are. Honestly your argument is starting to sound as ridiculous as "If we be more tolerant and welcoming to the migrants, maybe they will stop killing and raping us." Yes. It is the evil conservative's fault for being so bigoted and hurting Muslim feelings. They would never attack innocents for any other reason unless if was our fault. Sorry, but if someone goes out and commits mass murder because their "widle feeelwings wur hurt" then that is something wrong on their part. Having studied the Troubles in Ireland and having family who were at the heart of the injustices in the 18th century I think I have good reason to dispute your understanding of terrorism. My family kicked one of it's children out of the family because she had the temerity to marry a Catholic. Catholics were the lowest of society even though they were the majority of the population. They were systematically disenfranchised over several centuries until breaking point came.....they had no option but to fight, to fight for their survival as a culture. That is what is at the heart of most terrorist organisations time and time again, a fight against a perceived foe who cannot be defeated by any other options. You will say this is BS I am sure, but actually read articles outside of your alt-right sound-bites. look for the biases on all sides, that is one of the key things when studying history. We all have our biases but they don't make something true. Quote Still a man hears what he wants to hearAnd disregards the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I must be stupid trying to wade into a thread where facts are seen as stupid but here goes. I am guessing that the IRA and UDF are slightly before your time, heck they are just about before my time. Both sides claimed to be "true" Christians. Ulster was a war zone because of Christian affiliated groups. They may be irrelevant now but 30 years ago they certainly weren't. How short our memories are. Having studied the Troubles in Ireland and having family who were at the heart of the injustices in the 18th century I think I have good reason to dispute your understanding of terrorism. My family kicked one of it's children out of the family because she had the temerity to marry a Catholic. Catholics were the lowest of society even though they were the majority of the population. They were systematically disenfranchised over several centuries until breaking point came.....they had no option but to fight, to fight for their survival as a culture. That is what is at the heart of most terrorist organisations time and time again, a fight against a perceived foe who cannot be defeated by any other options. You will say this is BS I am sure, but actually read articles outside of your alt-right sound-bites. look for the biases on all sides, that is one of the key things when studying history. We all have our biases but they don't make something true. You are right about everyone having biases. However, there is a difference between terrorists that are a result of political oppression and terrorists that are welcomed with open arms to pour into your borders. Why is it that the countries in the middle east are never attacked for their "bigotry" and intolerance while in Europe and America, you are called an "Islamophobe" if you speak out against the Islamic invasion. They can keep their religion in their own country, but we don't want it here-just like they don't Christianity there. No one and I repeat, no one is under obligation to take in immigrants or refugees from anywhere. No more double standards, Europeans and Americans will no longer stand for this globalist multicultural experiment that somehow only applies to them. You talk about cultural survival? Look at Europe and tell me they aren't fighting for their existence as a people. I bear no hate for anyone of any race, but I will not stand for the disgusting "diversity/cultural enrichment" nonsense that somehow only applies to whites. This is pure hatred and resentment in the most revolting form. and ironically, from those who are so rabidly against the "hate speech" of anti-globalists and nationalists who simply want to preserve their own culture and traditions. Quote "Your cattle will die, your friends will die, you will die. But your reputation, if it is good, will never die." -excerpt from the Havamal "We are born into this time and must bravely follow the path to the destined end. There is no other way. Our duty is to hold on to the lost position, without hope, without rescue, like that Roman soldier whose bones were found in front of a door in Pompeii, who, during the eruption of Vesuvius, died at his post because they forgot to relieve him. That is greatness. That is what it means to be a thoroughbred. The honorable end is the one thing that can not be taken from a man." -Oswald Spengler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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