So Nazism Is Allowed?

[Fox Fire]

Seriously, I'm pretty confused. What are the actual rules of this game? By that I mean, which ones are actually enforced? Or do we just give a free pass to anyone who has the initiative to post on the forum? I mean, we have a guy who was reported for blatantly spelling out, and I quote: 

"We believe that a fascist nationalist socialist government can lead us forth to do great things."

 

But it doesn't even end there. He then gets on the forum and denies being a Nazi all while having a blatant Nazi avatar!

Yes, dear mods. This symbol:

 

 

Is the symbol of an organization known as Black Front:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Front

 

Which is literally a direct branch off of the NSDAP. It can effectively be described as "slightly more leftist Nazis". Or basically just Nazis who didn't think Hitler was economically left enough (they still hated Jews and "undesirables" all the same). They followed the idea of "Strasserism", created by devout Nazis, Gregor and Otto Strasser. An ideology that is still heavily part of the Neo-Nazi scene today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism

 

I mean our little Nazi friend even had the decency to put the symbol into a nice little Nazi flag styled background. 

 

So please clarify for me, how is any of this not against the rules? Because it's kinda blowing my mind how things like this are constantly being brushed aside on the excuse of "Well, he didn't quite cross the line far enough because he denied the accusations". 

I mean, if you're going to ban NoR for a !@#$ Odal and then ignore this (not to mention blatantly ISIS themed nations).... I'm sorry Sheepy, but that's completely retarded.

 

EDIT: For the record, I'm referring to this:

https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/11231-nazis-yes-more/

Edited February 26, 2016 by Fox Fire

[Milord]

What about freedom of speach that should change around here.

[Fox Fire]

Non-discussion area. Do not post in this subforum unless you can follow the rules. 

It's an open discussion forum, actually. 

[Skynet]

Yeah I made a mistake, apologies Milord. 

[Andrezj Kolarov]

I don't see a problem. This is a nation simulation game, let players roleplay in whatever ideology they like.

[Milord]

That's OK Skynet.

I know freedom of speach is very controversial.and everyone makes mistakes.

[Fox Fire]

I don't see a problem. This is a nation simulation game, let players roleplay in whatever ideology they like.

The problem is that it is against the established rules. I mean if I owned this game myself, I wouldn't even have the same rules as Sheepy. I would allow people to suffer their own social consequences naturally. However, that's not the case here. As it stands now, Nazism is clearly banned. The alliance Nordreich was banned for using an Odal rune combined with general "Reich" imagery, such as variations of the imperial German flag or editing old Nazi posters to have different flags, symbols or text. Overall, even Nordreich is less Nazi themed than this (they just have some good artists). In fact, I don't even consider NoR to be Nazi themed. More like a wide combination of Germanic-Nordic themes combined into one. 

Flying a Black Front flag and saying your "national socialist" is a bit more directly Nazi IMHO.

[Crust]

There's rules no? Freedom of speech doesn't apply to games. It's not a country.

[Fox Fire]

That's OK Skynet.

I know freedom of speach is very controversial.and everyone makes mistakes.

Free speech protects you from the government. Not the Sheep. 

Can we stop making that argument now? Private property is private. 

[Sailor Jerry]

The problem is that it is against the established rules. I mean if I owned this game myself, I wouldn't even have the same rules as Sheepy. I would allow people to suffer their own social consequences naturally. However, that's not the case here. As it stands now, Nazism is clearly banned. The alliance Nordreich was banned for using an Odal rune combined with general "Reich" imagery, such as variations of the imperial German flag or editing old Nazi posters to have different flags, symbols or text. Overall, even Nordreich is less Nazi themed than this (they just have some good artists). In fact, I don't even consider NoR to be Nazi themed. More like a wide combination of Germanic-Nordic themes combined into one. 

Flying a Black Front flag and saying your "national socialist" is a bit more directly Nazi IMHO.

Why are you so worried about it?  Sounds like you're very heated up about this as evidence from your OP.  Let Sheepy and the Mods work it out....that's what they're there for, not need to act like a 3rd grade tattle-tale...."Teacher, teacher, little Johnny was passing a note"!!!  As you said, "allow people to suffer their own social consequences naturally".  If all you have to do with your time is to peruse everyone's in-game nations and profiles for "rule violations" then you have way to much free time on your hands and need to find another hobby or something.  It's one thing to report it, but to get all bent out of shape over it just seems........ 

[Andrezj Kolarov]

There's rules no? Freedom of speech doesn't apply to games. It's not a country.

It's also a political simulation game, you can't really create a public game about managing a nation and not expect people to have very different politcal ideologies, it comes with the territory. In fact that's what makes the community more vibrant and interesting.

 

I mean it's understandable that people would get banned for making crude/vulgar/profane statements in regards to race or culture, but I personally don't think there's a problem having openly nationalist or fascist nations/alliances as long as they're polite.

Edited February 26, 2016 by Andrezj Kolarov

[Crust]

It's also a political simulation game, you can't really create a public game about managing a nation and not expect people to have very different politcal ideologies, it comes with the territory. In fact that's what makes the community more vibrant and interesting.

 

I mean it's understandable that people would get banned for making crude/vulgar/profane statements in regards to race or culture, but I personally don't think there's a problem having openly nationalist or fascist nations/alliances as long as they're polite.

 

That's irrelevant though, the rules clearly state you're not allowed to roleplay nazis. The matter of whether the rule is good or bad isn't the subject of this topic.

[Andrezj Kolarov]

That's irrelevant though, the rules clearly state you're not allowed to roleplay nazis. The matter of whether the rule is good or bad isn't the subject of this topic.

 

"We believe that a fascist nationalist socialist government can lead us forth to do great things."

It isn't clear from this statement if they're actual Nazis (National Socialists) or if they simply believe in fascism+nationalism+socialism, which is obviously something completely different.

 

Someone who believes in nationalism and also socialism isn't necessarily a Nazi.

Edited February 26, 2016 by Andrezj Kolarov

[Boony]

Why are you so worried about it? Sounds like you're very heated up about this as evidence from your OP. Let Sheepy and the Mods work it out....that's what they're there for, not need to act like a 3rd grade tattle-tale...."Teacher, teacher, little Johnny was passing a note"!!! As you said, "allow people to suffer their own social consequences naturally". If all you have to do with your time is to peruse everyone's in-game nations and profiles for "rule violations" then you have way to much free time on your hands and need to find another hobby or something. It's one thing to report it, but to get all bent out of shape over it just seems........

It's good when people point out inconsistencies in moderation. It helps keep Sheepy and the Moderators become better.

 

The comments at the end are not needed. They don't help you make a point and are completely irrelevant at the topic on hand.

[Franz Von Dietrich]

"Fascism National socialist" I'm sorry, what?

 

 

Edited February 26, 2016 by Francisco Franco

[Fox Fire]

Why are you so worried about it?  Sounds like you're very heated up about this as evidence from your OP.  Let Sheepy and the Mods work it out....that's what they're there for, not need to act like a 3rd grade tattle-tale...."Teacher, teacher, little Johnny was passing a note"!!!  As you said, "allow people to suffer their own social consequences naturally".  If all you have to do with your time is to peruse everyone's in-game nations and profiles for "rule violations" then you have way to much free time on your hands and need to find another hobby or something.  It's one thing to report it, but to get all bent out of shape over it just seems........ 

I didn't pursue anyone for a rule violation. I clicked on a thread and witnessed the staff either ignoring their own rules or being unaware that a rule was broken. This isn't a witch hunt, it's a simple observation. My standards do not apply here. The game rules do.

 

 

It's also a political simulation game, you can't really create a public game about managing a nation and not expect people to have very different politcal ideologies, it comes with the territory. In fact that's what makes the community more vibrant and interesting.

 

I mean it's understandable that people would get banned for making crude/vulgar/profane statements in regards to race or culture, but I personally don't think there's a problem having openly nationalist or fascist nations/alliances as long as they're polite.

 

This:

 

 

That's irrelevant though, the rules clearly state you're not allowed to roleplay nazis. The matter of whether the rule is good or bad isn't the subject of this topic.

 

 

It isn't clear from this statement if they're actual Nazis (National Socialists) or if they simply believe in fascism+nationalism+socialism, which is obviously something completely different.

 

Someone who believes in nationalism and also socialism isn't necessarily a Nazi.

National socialism is Nazism. Plain and simple. Google any combination of those words and let me know what you find.

[durmij]

What about freedom of speach that should change around here.

There rules of free speech do not apply to privately held spaces, like this server. We have Sheepy allowed speech, and the rules are pretty clear.

[Sailor Jerry]

I didn't pursue anyone for a rule violation. I clicked on a thread and witnessed the staff either ignoring their own rules or being unaware that a rule was broken. This isn't a witch hunt, it's a simple observation. My standards do not apply here. The game rules do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So.....just an observation.  Calling what Sheepy is doing is "retarded".  Sounds more like a "call-out" than an observation.....which would also be in violation of http://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?.app=forums&module=extras&section=boardrules   Line 2 under the Moderation Staff at the bottom of the page.

[Fox Fire]

So.....just an observation.  Calling what Sheepy is doing is "retarded".  Sounds more like a "call-out" than an observation.....which would also be in violation of http://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?.app=forums&module=extras&section=boardrules   Line 2 under the Moderation Staff at the bottom of the page.

Indeed. 

[Kurdanak]

I'd like to petition that we keep a jar and anytime someone inaccurately preaches free speech they have to donate $5.

[Milord]

So I can't be a fascist scum because democracy .

But by levelling my freedom of political party you're another oppressor.

The Holy Savior becomes the Freedom killer.

That's OK if you think like that .(you own the freking game so you get to call it ,that's OK just warning you of the Hippocratic behaviour)

 

Another point a Nazi is a fascist but a fascist isn't necessary a Nazi.

(Not a Nazi supporter)

Edited February 26, 2016 by Milord

[Alex]

I'll be honest, I was unaware of the "Black Front" party, or that this symbol had any Nazi relation. You're right, this should be removed as per the rules, and I will do so now that that I've been informed. In the future, please just send me a PM if something arises like this; I obviously won't be able to catch every little variation of Nazism (or Terrorism) etc.