Franz Von Dietrich Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 What's the difference? This is largely based upon the factor of perspective, look in Syria for more examples. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaaaddd22 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 If fire fighters fight fire, and crime fighters fight crime, what do freedom fighters fight? -George Carlin That being said, a freedom fighter is a person who is part of an organized group fighting against an illegitimate/cruel/unfair government/system. With any combination possible. Terrorism is the method in which this fight is taking place. Some freedom fighters are peaceful such as Ghandi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Von Dietrich Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 FSA aren't killing civilians. they are protecting them from cluster bombs filled with chlorine and sarin Videos beg to differ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 If fire fighters fight fire, and crime fighters fight crime, what do freedom fighters fight? -George Carlin The man was too far ahead of his time, that is why they had to kill him and Bill Hicks. Quote ☾☆ Warrior of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Ap Ioan Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 (edited) "One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist" to quote the classic cliche. If you want to be cynical the Freedom Fighter is often the terrorist who won, that said Freedom Fighters don't necessarily use terrorist tactics. The farmers of Llangyndeyrn didn't use force of arms to fight for their homeland, more force of charecter. At the end of Lord of the Rings you get the fantastic chapter called "scouring of the Shire" in which Frodo and the other hobbits put what they have learnt to good use. Frodo has this to say about fighting for the freedom of the Shire "Nobody is to be killed at all if it can be helped. Keep your tempers and hold your hands to the last possible moment". I think this is at the heart of the freedom movement ideal, violence should always be the last resort - this is something that Nelson Mandela states in his book "the long road to freedom". Edited February 1, 2016 by Rob Ap Ioan Quote Still a man hears what he wants to hearAnd disregards the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 So we can all agree terrorism is a form of fighting for freedom. Eg Nelson Mandela in 1960s SA. Or Taliban in 1980s Quote Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Ap Ioan Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 So we can all agree terrorism is a form of fighting for freedom. Eg Nelson Mandela in 1960s SA. Or Taliban in 1980s Percieved freedom I think would be a better way of putting it. The Bolsheviks were supposedly bringing freedom yet their regime was just as stifling as the Tsar's regime. Freedom fighter is usually a term bandied around by those in charge. Quote Still a man hears what he wants to hearAnd disregards the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Percieved freedom I think would be a better way of putting it. The Bolsheviks were supposedly bringing freedom yet their regime was just as stifling as the Tsar's regime. Freedom fighter is usually a term bandied around by those in charge. I could say Mandela was a terrorist and I would be right I could also say he was a freedom fighter and i would be right. For once everyone agrees on something Quote Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Aminu Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Opinions on innocence plays a big role in these names. Govt officials and military personnel could be characterized as innocents, but others could disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim (Banned) Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Come on, we all know that you have to be a Muslim in order to be classified as a Terrorist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Ap Ioan Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Come on, we all know that you have to be a Muslim in order to be classified as a Terrorist. Bullshit and you know it. Mandela and the Irish Militants weren't and aren't Muslim Quote Still a man hears what he wants to hearAnd disregards the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I'm slightly anti american I can't imagine why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isolatar Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Shit on me as much as you want but I respect Al Qaeda for their balls even if I don't like what they did. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Shit on me as much as you want but I respect Al Qaeda for their balls even if I don't like what they did. I'm having trouble with this. Explain how they were freedom fighters from a positive pov and who would see them as freedom fighters? I mostly concerned about what sort of freedom they were fighting for and if it ultimately was a negative freedom (ability to murder/rape freely) or a positive freedom. You respect Al Qaeda for attacking America? I guess you could see it as them having big balls but on the other hand people from that region are quite ignorant. It seems more likely their blind faith made them arrogant of the reality in the world, I think it was less big balls and more delusions that drove them. Edited February 5, 2016 by Clarke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannan13 Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 I'm slightly anti american and congress is basically corrupt. However i do slightly feel my government, UK, is slightly better Quote Tiocfaidh ár lá =Censored by Politics and War Moderation team= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I'm having trouble with this. Explain how they were freedom fighters from a positive pov and who would see them as freedom fighters? I mostly concerned about what sort of freedom they were fighting for and if it ultimately was a negative freedom (ability to murder/rape freely) or a positive freedom. You respect Al Qaeda for attacking America? I guess you could see it as them having big balls but on the other hand people from that region are quite ignorant. It seems more likely their blind faith made them arrogant of the reality in the world, I think it was less big balls and more delusions that drove them. I admire the taliban for defeating the soviets in the 80's however i see no sense in 911 as it led to their government being destroyed maybe slightly was the wrong word Quote Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 What? The FSA are the legitimate representation of Syria. I have tribe members who settled in Syria and Iraq I've heard they are fighting for the rebels. Down with The Alewife Dictatorship. May Allah guide this who represent Syria and Islam Quote Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I admire the taliban for defeating the soviets in the 80's however i see no sense in 911 as it led to their government being destroyed maybe slightly was the wrong word I'm sure people look back on the Taliban as being freedom fighters and even though the soviets weren't by any means the good guys they were certainly the lesser of two evils. The only positive thing behind the Taliban winning was for the West's cold war with the soviets. Not a lot changed in that way, even today the west backs crap countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I'm sure people look back on the Taliban as being freedom fighters and even though the soviets weren't by any means the good guys they were certainly the lesser of two evils. Are you off your rocker? The Soviets bombed any areas they considered to be non socialist. They assassinated the Afghan King and then assassinated the next ruler until a socialist came to power. They killed around 300,000 civilians! they are the lesser of the two evils?! the Mujahideen were heroes Quote Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannan13 Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 The FSA are the legitimate representation of Syria. I have tribe members who settled in Syria and Iraq I've heard they are fighting for the rebels. Down with The Alewife Dictatorship. May Allah guide this who represent Syria and Islam Al-Asaad is the true Representative of Syria. The US should have never been involved in the first place. Quote Tiocfaidh ár lá =Censored by Politics and War Moderation team= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Al-Asaad is the true Representative of Syria. The US should have never been involved in the first place. US were never involved. Assad represents the minority Alawites. Next time do your research Edited February 5, 2016 by Abu Haddad 1 Quote Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannan13 Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 US were never involved. Assad represents the minority Alawites. Next time do your research US was involved and has been since 09. I've done my research, you haven't. Quote Tiocfaidh ár lá =Censored by Politics and War Moderation team= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 assad does not represent Syria, do some research on that 1 Quote Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Von Dietrich Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 The FSA are the legitimate representation of Syria. I have tribe members who settled in Syria and Iraq I've heard they are fighting for the rebels. Down with The Alewife Dictatorship. May Allah guide this who represent Syria and Islam The Free Syrian Army doesn't exist as a unified "coalition" of rebels. They're all religious fanatics who have done more damage than good. Let's also not forget that most of FSA's ranks are swelled with foreign fighters, NOT SYRIANS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Are you off your rocker? The Soviets bombed any areas they considered to be non socialist. They assassinated the Afghan King and then assassinated the next ruler until a socialist came to power. They killed around 300,000 civilians! they are the lesser of the two evils?! the Mujahideen were heroes The Mujahideen were rapists, murders and generally vile people much like how people from the region are now. Just barbaric people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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