Bambino

*insert sarcastic comment about having seen this before* Congrats Partisan. You've earned a well deserved break.

You can find targets?

3rd time's a charm?

For Steve!

GG

It happens GK

*hugs MENSA* Blood for the blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne!

3) ODP does have that power. It's essentially a glorified NAP and would prevent us from taking direct action against you and your allies. Spin it how you want, but that's how it would have shook out. 4) Takes two to tango on putting money where your mouth is. Right now the only people doing the aggression is you. Heaven forbid we attempt to strengthen our position. I'm sure t$ would have done the same if they could. 5) So your complaint is that one person you don't like got re-elected and somehow that makes UPN the bad guy. I'll keep that in mind in regards to all rival alliances from now on, particularly Syndicate. 6) OK. Just be honest about it. Don't spin it to make it seem like we didn't attempt to be friendly. I guess everyone on Orbis needs to keep this in mind. If you decline an offer to t$, you're black listed and need to start the kill clock. 7) OK. Thanks for your permission. We will likely do just that. 8) OK. That's fine. Just stop !@#$ing about how you want a different dynamic for the game but then repeat the same pattern that you advocate against. This is the royal you, not the personal you. So, we share the same sentiment then Valakias regarding how it's going to be the same dynamic. No promises were made to you Valakias. We tried to get the ODP through and it didn't work out. The fact that you are so butt hurt about this clearly shows how desperate you are to win the PR side of an aggressive war against alliances that didn't have any plans for you and were focused quite a bit on strengthening relations with people we viewed as allies and making new friends. We always have the option to not fight as was demonstrated by our non-militarization when your conflict broke out with Alpha (not direct treaty members). Whelp, I guess there's no way we'll convince each other that we don't want to be friendly. As it stands, from my perspective, t$ has deceived everyone more than UPN ever has. We've always been very straight forward with our intentions, so I guess there's that. Good luck in the war. Yup, no biase here. I'm not asking you to believe me, just posting for everyone to see through the spin your side so desperately wants to create regarding the bad actors here. Sounds like a lot of paranoia won out in my opinion. I can respect the idea that you're doing what you think is right for your sphere, but the honest truth is that if you don't want peace, then be up front about it rather than wasting our time and then claiming the people you attack didn't want peace. UPN reached out multiple times to try to avoid this and we were basically spurned each time. Good luck. Doubtful you'll ever see us being friendly in the future.

That's fine. Just be OK with how it's all going to shake out. As far as soon to be enemies and what not, the NPO treaty happened before UPN was even aware of all the crap that was spilling over from out of game sources. If you're going to insult our choices of allies, at least be honest. We didn't even give the warning to start prepping for war until it was clear that something was happening on your side. If we're going to talk about shitty allies, let's look at BK and them not honoring the information sharing that UPN wasn't going to be hit. I get it, it'd betray your overlords t$ and you can't have that because it'd leave you to hang into the wind once this all shakes out, but let's be honest about who the really shitty ally is here in this case rather than throwing the blame on us.

So, to sumarize everything I've read here: 1) t$ is pissy because they see things as going round and round and that the cycle never ends where they have to fight people they have historically fought 2) Both UPN and t$ attempt to repair the chasm that is their relations since January/February 3) t$ reaches out with a treaty that essentially would have left UPN's allies holding the bag and open to attack with with no way for UPN to really respond without losing a lot of face 4) t$ gets all pissy about a polite declining of the offer even though UPN continues to try to be friendly and avoid conflict 5) t$ gets all pissy that ONE member of the "old" guard is re-elected while most of the other council seats were from people who leaned being towards t$. Said old guard member publicly states that he wants to bury the hatchet. 6) t$ gets even more pissy that UPN make the natural steps towards people that don't act butt hurt whenever they disagree (referring to the fact that the NPO treaty took literally the majority of Emmad and Victor's term to get to) 7) t$ gets even more pissy that UPN expands tC (something that'd taken a lot of Emmad and Victor's tenure) 8) t$ declares war on UPN even though UPN, since last Thursday, has been actively attempting to get peace. 8) t$ blames the victims of the war and then laments that they can't break free of the cycle. The cycle is going to be the same no matter what happens. Diplomatic incidents are going to happen, tensions are going to rise, war is going to happen. The only thing that is going to change are the players. If you don't like the fact that your'e fighting the same people, maybe go somewhere else where the people are different or stop betraying the trust that you've built up. You had several members of UPN's government CONVINCED that you really wanted to be friendly and not fight us. If anyone here isn't being consistent with the "turning over a new leaf" message, its you.

*Bambino Sighs* Good to know we can at least count on BK to be solidly in the Syndisphere and oppose us even when we actively sought to not have a war. RIP BK.

Awesome...simply awesome.

Noice

This is more for important announcements like treaty announcements, CB and general s-posting about crap CB's for declaring war.

Careful. I think t$ may pounce on you for copyright infringement for style of play.

Haters gonna hate.

I love how GPA is turning into the bad guy and NK the victim here....

Much luv fraggle. Always keeping it interesting.

Lol. Can't blame him. Elections ended yesterday afternoon and GK is the first to post?!

I don't know if I want to laugh or cry. A big part of me wants to play the lottery just for kicks! When can we expect the lottery pick date?

Ahhh! I'm a goober! I was like "what is going on here!? Thanks!

Declared war on Caldonia this morning and instead of 6 MAPs, I had 5. My policies at the time were set to urbanization and moneybags. Nation link: https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=6807 Anything else needed?

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Good luck with your travel. Congrats Steph.