Big Brother

According to the game’s admin, both are legitimate within the game. Your preference for one or the other doesn’t affect that. The words and actions of fascists are indeed the same, they say they want to create brutal repressive dictatorships where the state is all that matters and that’s what they do. There has never been a communist country on this planet. What you’re referring to are socialist states or socialist countries, if you prefer that. No country throughout history has achieved the criteria that define a communist society, namely being stateless, classless and moneyless. Every country run by a communist party so far has maintained the state, money and class divisions. As for whether they’re failures or not, that depends on what they were trying to achieve. They were certainly plagued by crimes against humanity, just like more or less every country under a fascist regime. It’s true that some communists like Marxist-Leninists believe in the dictatorship of the proletariat, while other communists disagree with that concept. The elimination of all classes simply refers to the process of creating equality in an economic sense; by removing the distinctions between classes, basically wealth, all classes will merge into one. It doesn’t mean literally exterminate literally everyone not a part of the working class (though as a fascist I can see how your first instinct would be to think that). And while Marxist-Leninists want the dictatorship of the proletariat, fascists just want a dictatorship. With that in mind, it’s pretty hilarious that you think fascism has any kind of moral high ground over communism or at least Marxism-Leninism when both of those ideologies have led to atrocities of the same nature. How can you criticize the dictatorship of the proletariat and defend fascism when fascism is by nature characterized dictatorial power? It doesn’t make sense and it’s a glaring contradiction. Basically it seems to me like you’re okay with dictatorship as long a it’s “the right kind” of dictatorship. A simple internet search will show anyone capable of reading that this isn’t true. The nationalistic tendencies of fascism create a slippery slope of beliefs that lead people to embrace racist views. Many fascists have been and continue to be racist. Racism was a key characteristic of early German fascism and continues to be a characteristic of fascist movements in Europe today, typically in the form of thinking non-Europeans are inferior to Europeans. Suggesting that there isn’t a single racist fascist or that many fascist movements haven't married fascist politics with racism, is just wishful thinking, disconnected from reality. You simply don’t know what you’re talking about and you’re trying to twist the real nature of things to fit what you yourself want to be true. Fortunately, wishing something to be true doesn’t make it so.

You know, I wasn't entirely sure if you were just trolling or not but now I definitely am because you seem to be deliberately ignoring everything being said to you while making up your own version of what is being said. So, I'm going to call it a day. Welcome to the game, I'm sure the fascist stuff will totally work out for you.

No worries, I just wanted to kill some time. I'm kind of bored now though so I might listen to you

I said I preferred terrible communists to fascists and Neo-Nazis but that doesn't mean they're not all trash. It's just degrees of trashy but in the end it doesn't really matter, just like who killed how many. No. I don't really need to prove anything to you, out of all people. And trust me, I can have fun just fine without fascism. In fact, the fun is in vanquishing fascism entirely. There is no contradiction, you're just making false assumptions and false equivalencies based on things I didn't actually write. I didn't write being hostile to fascists was the only way I have fun in the game, that's just something you thought.

I think I've made it pretty clear that I have a problem with any authoritarian ideology. My opinions aren't those of the game creator and I don't know why you would assume that they are. No, that is not my logic. Not all people who play Politics & War are attracted to fascism or communism, just like not all people who play GTA are attracted to crime and murder. But people who end up joining openly fascist or communist groups in either game are more likely to be attracted to the ideas they represent. You didn't say that, but you did accuse me of not understanding the game, taking it too seriously and being unable to have fun with it, not considering the possibility that being hostile to fascists is how I have fun with it. And you're right, I can't tolerate your playing style or your presence in this game. What, did you think that people were just going to be cool with fascists, whether they're roleplaying or not? People hate fascists, just like they hate communists. You were always going to face opposition by presenting yourself the way you did.

Yeah, I've heard it all before buddy. If you didn't really want to talk about politics, I find it funny that you started playing a game called Politics & War and then proceeded to talk about politics. The fact of the matter is, like I said, that the evil things those people did still don't make the evil things done in the name of other ideologies any less reprehensible. The numbers aren't important, even a single person murdered by an authoritarian ideology is one person too many. Look, if you don't realize that in games like this alliances that brand themselves with communism, fascism, capitalism or whatever else attract people who identify with those brands, you're the one that doesn't understand how the game works. No surprise there. I mean, look at yourself. You come in with a username that I can only assume is a tribute to Francisco Franco, asking if there are any fascist alliances around. I don't think it's unfair to assume you might have taken a liking to fascism in one way or another, just like it wouldn't be unfair to assume that because my username is Big Brother I probably enjoy the novel Nineteen-Eighty Four. Sure, this is just a game but it doesn't mean that I can't play the game in a way that is hostile to fascists if that's what I want to do.

Friend, you're brand new. I've been playing since at least 2015. You don't get to tell me how I approach this game. If anything, I should be telling you. Besides, I don't think calling anyone or anything "trash" is a particularly serious statement, at least not for adults. And while I do think that some communists are trash, I still prefer them to fascists and Neo-Nazis. In the end, the evils of communism do not justify or excuse the evils of fascism and Nazism. Evil is evil, no matter what brand you slap on it. He's definitely either trolling or he's just one of those teenagers who have used their.. extensive experience and expert knowledge on how the world should be run to conclude that democracy is broken and should be replaced by fascism. Either way, we probably shouldn't take him too seriously.

Most of the time the only people who care about that distinction are fascists and Neo-Nazis. To the rest of us, they're all just trash.

I mean, why would you ever want to?

We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia.

That does seem a lot like someone I know, although perhaps not the person you had in mind.

Shouldn't it be "Atlantean Decree"?

Haven't you heard? Everyone fighting against Coalition B = Right-wing chuds.

Except it's not obvious and you thinking that is the result of pre-existing bias. If you are to have any serious discussion on the topic you need to at least be able to pretend or consider that both good and bad things have been done in the name of both Communism and Capitalism, as opposed to the infantile notion that "all X is Y". You just showed that you can't even define the aspects of Communism correctly. It's not a top down management style, Communism seeks to establish a flat structure without hierarchies and if they're not trying to establish that, it's not Communism. Why you think anyone would take you seriously when it's clear you refuse to acknowledge the facts of these ideologies is beyond me. What is really wilful ignorance, as I mentioned above, is your refusal to even consider that what you believe to be so obvious to everyone actually isn't the truth. Frankly, if this is what you have to contribute (if you can even call it a contribution), you are better left ignored until you start getting serious.

The fact that you believe that rips any credibility you have in a discussion on the merits of Communism (and Capitalism) to pieces. You're clearly not unbiased. Maybe you should take some time to reconsider and come back when you've reached a more mature point of view.

Well, that's just pure madness. How else is Thinkpol supposed to root out thoughtcrime among enemies of the state? Are we supposed to abandon all hopes of a safe and secure nation? No, we will have to keep watching, for the good of us all.

I don't think we actually have to imagine it, it seems to be a very real and observable phenomenon.

"The War for Peace"