Dalinar

The TKR Zoo is now the Orbis State Troopers

Take it easy Rin

needs more honorary members

lol

Congrats Pantheon!

it refreshes when someone else views it as well

yeah !@#$ you Kurd

Normally I don't log dump, but you're asking for evidence and this is the only evidence I have. Note: I'm semi-active and out for good in a few months anyway. Here's some logs for better or worse. Logs that Curu alluded to on the 4th: Note: TKR/BK/tS/Mensa granted I think all 4 would have to be supportive of it heh <-- My preferred route was open and minus any cloak and dagger moves (sue me). Heard no serious response to the suggestion, so I assumed that BK wasn't supportive. Also mentioned it again on 2/7 to Bezzers/BoC: Me saying I view our allies on the same level is apparently a controversial view point. I understand the view point of bloc > all else (even if OO had no supremacy clause), but as long as Syndisphere was a thing and TKR was at/near the center, I believed that we shouldn't play favorites and factored in the interests of our allies/periphery (hell our skirmish with RW/Arrgh wouldn't have happened last summer if it wasn't for them messing with BoC/CS protectorates). Next thing I heard from BoC was their treaty with WU out of the blue on 2/22 (which is used as a point of TKR stifling cross sphere treaties, !@#$ me for wanting to understand the logic behind a move from an ally), note they signed the treaty on 2/23. bonus logs of me venting to curu about it (since I'm sure these would be counter dropped anyway) Also since Kastor keeps posting that we blocked Ron (I guess you could argue us voicing displeasure is vetoing a treaty, but that's all there is from this one - removed the other person and just putting in my responses, so you'll have to infer the questions): Soon after we caught wind of the NPO treaty, figured they were trying to go forward with a sphere split behind our backs and the rest of syndisphere and began to respond accordingly. Bonus notes: How I envisioned a 3 way split occurring when I first pitched it to Curu back at the turn of the year, obviously some treaties/positions were leaps but it was something to work towards (Note that TKR was by and far the smallest of the three spheres that would've formed, only way I figured it would work) - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10ZAjjjTh-Ea_kuDU4vsqZQD9hAhg6J7idoFJIsg3GZE/edit?usp=sharing(http://i.imgur.com/2pn2ft6.png <-- proof of the last edit). So yeah, I mentioned a 3 way split to OO leaders on two separate occasions and it was not seriously considered. I viewed all our allies equally, but that didn't mean I didn't give a shit about BoC/CS/BK - we owed our loyalty to those that have burned for us (you guys included). I could've pushed it sure, but it didn't seem like either of you two seriously considered it so I saw no point in pushing it (Also ran into a lack of time to spend on PnW FA, hence why Lordship is now King and I'm just an adviser ). Edit: Formatting

congrats!

Technically speaking, we've held a treaty in some form with NK since we formed the Obsidian Order a few months after founding (when they left we continued our relationship in the form of a NAP with an economic cooperation clause) - you could argue that they're tied with BK for our second most senior ally

Congrats guys!

If we did any of those things, you'd have a point - alas you're making it up At this point I'm going to assume we rolled you in a past life, and you are bitter about it.

Ok then

I thought it was a dumb assumption, so I responded with a joke -- don't read too much into things on the forums

sneak attack incoming:

Edit: Double post

Confirming TKR protection. Looking forward to working with you guys!

It's not that big of a difference, NPO had a lot of older nations come over from their Vanguard merger (note: my numbers include applicants, so that'll screw things up a tad, but the general idea should remain the same): If you adjust for TKR's higher member count (not even sure that'd be a valid adjustment due to differences in attrition between high/low tiers and NPO/TKR specifically, but w/e): I'd say the main reasons for differences between TKR/NPO tier distribution would be the difference in outcomes of the wars we've participated in and NPO intentionally stifling growth like kitteh said. I think communism actually works better for an alliance like NPO, who has an active core/community from another world that will stick around regardless of any growth inhibition. If I thought my members would be happy with 100% taxes/still have fun playing PnW day to day, I'd probably do it as well heh. Edit: Fixing tables

Congrats on the merge!

Great update, thanks!

They posted a thread on the 29th of January laying out their intentions. To quote the hippo: "While we appreciate that people are asking, before actually attacking (Unlike people from certain "paperless" alliances), I just want to state that we will build up and come drop a steamroller on your alliance members asses if you do. Please, give us a reason to drag our inactives back into activity." Lordaeron then raided Mensa, what did you expect was going to happen?

Congrats!

Not at all. I know Pantheon well enough to know they wouldn't aggressively hit another one of my MDP allies for no reason without mentioning it/allowing me to diffuse the situation. If TK aggressively hit TCW, we would defend TCW. It'd be an extremely transparent attempt on TK's part (especially if they brought along all former TEst splinters) to try and instigate Syndisphere infighting, betraying the trust their protectors have put in them.

>kick TCW around good luck lmao

Building on your idea of upping the initial credit cost of an alliance -- it could cost 4 credits to create an alliance, and make the first flag uploaded free. Credit neutral to the current system, but enough of a barrier that it should encourage Sheepy's goal.