Franz Joseph Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 He's black not Hawaiian Nationality and ethnicity are two different things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamehameha Posted May 10, 2015 Author Share Posted May 10, 2015 Nationality and ethnicity are two different things. True, but he went to Punahou, a wealthier school with few Hawaiians, especially back in the day. He does not have any real ties to kanaka nor has he really pushed the agenda. Quote Imperator Emeritus of the IAA, The Last Francoist, Ivan's Eye, Hand of the King, Senator, SHADOWS Commander, Order Hero "The Voice of the People is the Voice of God" - Queen Liliuokalani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Joseph Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 True, but he went to Punahou, a wealthier school with few Hawaiians, especially back in the day. He does not have any real ties to kanaka nor has he really pushed the agenda. Maybe cuz he's not a CRAZY SEMIRACIST ULTRANATIONALIST SOCIALIST POLYNESIAN TRADITIONALIST. Just sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamehameha Posted May 10, 2015 Author Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) "Hawaii is a superior culture". HAHAHHAHAHA. You guys were at slightly-above-hunter-gatherer level for most of the colonization of Hawaii (Polynesian colonization). You have a UNION JACK on your flag. And no I'm not some western cultural supremacist. I'm trying to open your eyes. I'm Scottish-Franco-Welsh-German (among other nationalities, those are just most prevalent), that equals Picts, Gauls (kind of Romans), Britons, and migratory Barbarians (in that order). I'm trying to point out is that Hawaii or Hawaiian culture never was or is a superior culture. That's borderline !@#$. But would I say that Western (Europo-Anglo-American) culture is better than the others? Hell no! While we are better off than many others (not necessarily culturally), we are inherently flawed with sexism, racism, intolerance and the occasional bout of Christian fanaticism. Finally, stop using the term "Bourgeoisie", your grasp on Communist and Marxist theory is probably more limited than mine (which is saying something) and you seem to use it to just describe people you don't like.When I reveal that our culture is superior you shouldn't take offense to that but rather ask what makes it superior. You are having a huge knee-jerk reaction because you have been indoctrinated by modern bourgeois-thought. Hawaiians have always had a very sophisticated social structure separate of our technology. To say we were hunter-gatherers is false because we had extremely productive agriculture and fishing that supported a huge population and fully utilized the wealth of the land and seas. Our nutrition was superior with the average Kanaka Maoli man being six feet in height while Europeans were five feet. Our Kingdom was Christian, and we had the highest literacy rate in the world. Iolani palace had electricity before the white house. We were very respected when we visited Europe and considered the full equals of Nordic Man. Also, you have a misunderstanding about the function of culture. Culture is not simply the food we eat and the things we say. It goes beyond even shared values and common interests. A healthy culture also deals with threats to the Nation and keeps the people connected to nature. When I see the degeneration on the mainland, the unrestrained egoism of the individual, the treatment of Americans by police, the class stratification, the cultural deterioration and multiculturalism, ivory tower liberalism and exploitative conservatism, it's hard not to feel superior, but that's not saying our cultural values are necessarily better than yours, I just think we are healthier and closer to our social organism, even during this phase of destructive finance capitalism. Also, I'm not a communist, I am a social nationalist. Hawaii has had it's share of communism in the past and it didn't work out well (for us). Edited May 10, 2015 by Kamehameha Quote Imperator Emeritus of the IAA, The Last Francoist, Ivan's Eye, Hand of the King, Senator, SHADOWS Commander, Order Hero "The Voice of the People is the Voice of God" - Queen Liliuokalani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamehameha Posted May 10, 2015 Author Share Posted May 10, 2015 Maybe cuz he's not a CRAZY SEMIRACIST ULTRANATIONALIST SOCIALIST POLYNESIAN TRADITIONALIST. Just sayin'. Hard times requite hard truths. Quote Imperator Emeritus of the IAA, The Last Francoist, Ivan's Eye, Hand of the King, Senator, SHADOWS Commander, Order Hero "The Voice of the People is the Voice of God" - Queen Liliuokalani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Also, I'm not a communist, I am a social nationalist. Oh !@#$. I'm sorry but when you say things like this and that your culture is superior, it makes my knees jerk plenty. Bad allusions. Personally, the reason I don't ask you why your culture is superior is because I don't believe any cultures are superior, only different. I like some cultures more than others, but that doesn't make them superior. Out of curiosity, who are all these Satan worshipers you keep mentioning? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the dominant religious philosophy within Satanism is LaVeyan Satanism, and they don't actually worship the devil: Contrary to popular belief, LaVeyan Satanism does not involve "devil worship" or worship of any deities. It is an atheistic philosophy that asserts that "each individual is his or her own god [and that] there is no room for any other god".[11] Adherents instead see the character of Satan as a symbol of pride, carnality, liberty, enlightenment, undefiled wisdom, and of a cosmos which Satanists perceive to be motivated by a "dark evolutionary force of entropy that permeates all of nature and provides the drive for survival and propagation inherent in all living things". He also serves as a conceptual framework and an external metaphorical projection of [the Satanists] highest personal potential. Satan (Hebrew: שָּׂטָן satan, meaning "adversary") is seen as a symbol of defiance to the conservatism of mainstream philosophical and religious currents, mainly the Abrahamic religions, that see this character as their antithesis. So, who are you referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamehameha Posted May 10, 2015 Author Share Posted May 10, 2015 Ever heard of the Bohemian Grove? Quote Imperator Emeritus of the IAA, The Last Francoist, Ivan's Eye, Hand of the King, Senator, SHADOWS Commander, Order Hero "The Voice of the People is the Voice of God" - Queen Liliuokalani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Well there are no guarantees that in a new state of Hawaii that such villains wouldn't infest the new system especially with how hard it'll be for the new state... but the best way I can see is to stop most of this grand superior talk you've been doing Tywin. The correct path is to concentrate on obliterating conservative force's be it democrat or republican support in Hawaii. Look at Scotland for example where the SNP obliterated all the Tory lites (the real Tories were actually completely unaffected) as an example of what Hawaii should strive to achieve. I'd imagine the people already have it firmly in their mind on who the republicans are there... however the real threat is the democrats and it is them who need to be thrown out. Once political control of Hawaii is achieved by a nationalist party (which shouldn't talk about Hawaii being superior, but that it deserves independence) than you take up every opportunity to play up the failures of Washington and their oppressing mandates/demands/foreign affairs disasters (Hawaiian boys dying in pointless wars and all that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Ever heard of the Bohemian Grove? I have now, and after reading about them I still don't believe they're Satanists of any sort. A conspiracy theorists' statement claiming one of the rituals they performed was a "Caananite, Luciferan, Babylon mystery religion ceremony" is hardly credible evidence of devil worship. If anything, it's a testament to the uneducated misconceptions of the conspiracy theorist. Even if they were devil worshipers, it's a rather exclusive group and doesn't represent the totality of American demographics. And even if they were in charge of the United States somehow, this doesn't mean every American that supports the leaders in this group, intellectual or no, is a devil worshiper. I feel like you would have more success with your independence movement if you didn't alienate every other nationality and potential supporter. Edited May 10, 2015 by Big Brother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamehameha Posted May 10, 2015 Author Share Posted May 10, 2015 Well there are no guarantees that in a new state of Hawaii that such villains wouldn't infest the new system especially with how hard it'll be for the new state... but the best way I can see is to stop most of this grand superior talk you've been doing Tywin. The correct path is to concentrate on obliterating conservative force's be it democrat or republican support in Hawaii. Look at Scotland for example where the SNP obliterated all the Tory lites (the real Tories were actually completely unaffected) as an example of what Hawaii should strive to achieve. I'd imagine the people already have it firmly in their mind on who the republicans are there... however the real threat is the democrats and it is them who need to be thrown out. Once political control of Hawaii is achieved by a nationalist party (which shouldn't talk about Hawaii being superior, but that it deserves independence) than you take up every opportunity to play up the failures of Washington and their oppressing mandates/demands/foreign affairs disasters (Hawaiian boys dying in pointless wars and all that). The democrats in Hawaii are not like the mainland. They were founded after an effective communist revolution. But I agree about further developing nationalism. I am sure there are strong areas of mainland culture as well, like in the south. But you have to realize we Hawaiians draw impressions after seeing the weird "parades" and frivolous and culturally degenerate movements in your cities. You can't tell me all those things aren't part of Babylon. Anyway, made this today which I thought was pretty cool. Quote Imperator Emeritus of the IAA, The Last Francoist, Ivan's Eye, Hand of the King, Senator, SHADOWS Commander, Order Hero "The Voice of the People is the Voice of God" - Queen Liliuokalani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Secession is always talked about in the case of island nations/states. Hawaii, Bermuda etc. It always fails in the end because it would lead to loss of credibility. Business would leave and life would change, which could be what your looking for. For the island to revert back to its primitive state. Its about money, everything is; and its not financially feasible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamehameha Posted May 10, 2015 Author Share Posted May 10, 2015 Secession is always talked about in the case of island nations/states. Hawaii, Bermuda etc. It always fails in the end because it would lead to loss of credibility. Business would leave and life would change, which could be what your looking for. For the island to revert back to its primitive state. Its about money, everything is; and its not financially feasible. Singapore did it. It's all about having a strong leader. Quote Imperator Emeritus of the IAA, The Last Francoist, Ivan's Eye, Hand of the King, Senator, SHADOWS Commander, Order Hero "The Voice of the People is the Voice of God" - Queen Liliuokalani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aesir Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Singapore did it. It's all about having a strong leader. Singapore relies on trade for its survival. Not enough trade goes through Hawaii for Hawaii to survive. So the best way for Hawaii to survive is in the United States. The federal government protects them and gives them money. If Hawaii goes independent then everything that allows for it to survive will leave and the population will die of famine and you will have no money. You need money to survive and buy food. Hawaii offers nothing for businesses so your money will go down and your new nation will stagnate and come crawling back to the US to be bailed out of debt. 1 Quote Art by Faroreswind159 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odin Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Kamehameha, you can do it! You just need North Korean technology help and military protection against the bourgeois capitalists who threaten your folk. And Somali Pirates to help you hijack the american pacific-fleet. Then the Great Hawaiian Empire shall rise again, and rule the oceans like it's supposed by gods will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicboyd25 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Maybe Hawaii should send someone over to befriend Kim Jong Un Does Hawaii have basketball players? I heard they liked those guys over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigInZen Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Maybe Hawaii should send someone over to befriend Kim Jong Un Does Hawaii have basketball players? I heard they liked those guys over there. Modern sports are a construct of the bourgeoisie 2 Quote Priest of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Joseph Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Modern sports are a construct of the bourgeoisie We need to play *obscure Polynesian sport*. Much more kanaka then dirty European sports. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicboyd25 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Modern sports are a construct of the bourgeoisie I dont speak Tywinist philosophy I'm sorry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 The democrats in Hawaii are not like the mainland. They were founded after an effective communist revolution. But I agree about further developing nationalism. I am sure there are strong areas of mainland culture as well, like in the south. But you have to realize we Hawaiians draw impressions after seeing the weird "parades" and frivolous and culturally degenerate movements in your cities. You can't tell me all those things aren't part of Babylon. They are worthless to your cause as do you really think they'd ever put the idea of a Hawaiian nation over their masters? Hawaii would need an economically socialist social conservative party I'd say though I don't want the paradigm in Hawaii is of course so that could be wrong. Be different than the conservative parties (as than you can loudly proclaim their politics do not represent Hawaii) and call them out as the same entity, conservatives and liars pretending they aren't conservatives but instead "liberals", cretins (politicians are easy to attack) who care little for their own states let alone the far away Hawaii. Now one argument that is pretty damning is the whole "Hawaii cannot survive on it's own", that just erodes support as it's a good scare tactic. However if Hawaii is help by a Hawaiian nationalist party that seeks independence than it is without doubt that the likes of Russia and China will make an appearance as they'll believe there to be a good chance to stick it to America and rob them of a valuable state. Once that happens then that argument falls apart as the nationalist party can just counter that the "generous" Chinese/Russians have promised that in such an event they'd graciously handle it. Again I'd advise you look at Scotland on how to go about undertaking a path to independence. They used the Scottish's people near universal hatred of the Tories to destroy Labour who they painted (correctly) as nothing but Tories in red ties. Of course there was more at work than that, but it was a factor. You need nationalism but it needs to be attractive nationalism. Look at say BNP and UKIP for example. It attracts the same type of voters it is said yet one you are supposed to be ashamed to vote for (I disagree with that nonsense myself), while the other is like just any other party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Baratheon Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) how do you spell his name? Kamehameha? Like this one? Or this one Sexy ^ Edited May 11, 2015 by Heinrich Kaufmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamehameha Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 Im sorry I can't take someone seriously who has a weaboo nazi avatar Quote Imperator Emeritus of the IAA, The Last Francoist, Ivan's Eye, Hand of the King, Senator, SHADOWS Commander, Order Hero "The Voice of the People is the Voice of God" - Queen Liliuokalani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Joseph Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Im sorry I can't take someone seriously who has a weaboo !@#$ avatar Weeaboo? Really? A. you're hitting below the belt and B. There's no imagery that would make you think he is one. His nation is socialist, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamehameha Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 He hit below the belt insulting the King. Quote Imperator Emeritus of the IAA, The Last Francoist, Ivan's Eye, Hand of the King, Senator, SHADOWS Commander, Order Hero "The Voice of the People is the Voice of God" - Queen Liliuokalani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Singapore did it. It's all about having a strong leader. Hawaii is no Singapore. Im sorry. Beautiful island and all, its location means it could never be a Singapore. Its best bet is to remain under the protective wing of its colonizer.I dont necessarily support it but its the day we live in, let alone the fact that the US might be reluctant to give up a naval base in a strategic location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamehameha Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 Remember it's not an either-or situation like the reactionaries here are saying. For example among Hawaiians I am moderate and relatively pro-US. I don't see why there couldn't be a relationship of allies rather than subjugation. Quote Imperator Emeritus of the IAA, The Last Francoist, Ivan's Eye, Hand of the King, Senator, SHADOWS Commander, Order Hero "The Voice of the People is the Voice of God" - Queen Liliuokalani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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