A Treatise [ROH]

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

 

 

Investor Contact:

Shiho Nishizumi

Media Contact:

Tarroc

NASSAU, Bahamas, 2024-08-21

 

Following the outbreak of a global war this past Saturday, SYNDICATE, Inc., (NYSE:SCC) is coming forth to make a number of statements and acknowledgements.

 

Firstly, The Syndicate recognizes that a state of hostilities currently exist between itself and Singularity The Fighting Pacifists, Rose, Unforgiven Legion, The High Table, The Golden Horde, Guardian, Oblivion, Mayhem, Global Alliance & Treaty Organization, Name Withheld, Black Knights, United Purple Nations, Pokimans, 99942 Apophis, and Arkham Asylum.

Secondly, The Syndicate recognizes that a number of alliances have revenge as a primary, if not sole, rationale for their involvement in this war. The Syndicate acknowledges this as a valid enough reason for participation by itself.

Alongside that reason, several others were provided by Singularity and The Fighting Pacifists, via their Declaration of War threads. The Syndicate will break each of these down per alliance, each contained with spoiler sections for greater ease of reading due to the length at hand, as it wishes to provide its response to them:

 

Singularity:

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After justifying an entry against Florida for “Hegemonic Sphere Creation” as they labeled it, and attempting to pressure Florida to separate, they proceeded to consolidate a sphere significantly larger than Florida ever was, the largest sphere in the game by a wide margin, and continuously lied about the size and members of that sphere, up until the moment they no longer could.

While not the sole reasoning provided, The Syndicate acknowledged that “Hegemonic Sphere Creation” was a wrongful justification for its entry during the conflict itself, in its exchanges with Rose. Provided that Singularity is talking about SAIL, SAIL was not larger than Florida itself was, and was most certainly not larger than all the other spheres in the game. Singularity’s assertion that deception was at hand to conceal SAIL’s size is discredited by it itself being able to attack alliances which sat on the periphery of SAIL without retribution during December.

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They used this sphere to intimidate and pressure other alliances, through hard power, trying to isolate their main rival, Singularity, for an easier attack. After helping to interject and disrupt our own plans, preventing us from settling legitimate scores with other alliances, whilst their allies goaded conflict with us, we were left with no choice but to mount a pre-emptive suicide attack.

Singularity originally presented itself as a main threat to The Syndicate due to the posturing it adopted during Dodge This, namely in the leaks showing the promise of revenge 10-fold and promises to make The Syndicate regret its actions. This posturing was not altered in the months between the end of Dodge This in August, and the end of the NAP signed between SAIL and Singularity’s grouping in January. While The Syndicate does not intend to question the validity of Singularity’s grievances with other alliances, The Syndicate ultimately prioritizes its own interests and that of its sphere over the consideration of third parties (and it naturally expects other parties to prioritize their own interests). It was ultimately the case that The Syndicate had no reason to expect Singularity not to hit it, if it was allowed to, and it acted accordingly.

As for Singularity’s isolation during this time period; this was mostly a self-generated scenario on Singularity’s side of things. The implication that SAIL intimidated other spheres into neutrality is not only baseless, but also plainly impossible because those spheres would have hit it if so, given that SAIL did not wield any kind of exceptional power.

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Despite our primary opposition in the previous war being one of their allies, and not them, Syndicate revealed the depths of their animosity by deciding to make themselves the center of attention, choosing to be the driving force behind the narrative attacks on Singularity. Syndicate positioned themselves at the forefront, attempting to shape the storyline.

They launched an attempted smear campaign on Keegoz, making baseless claims of design team bias without evidence, which they then proceeded to double down on, until the falseness of their claims was clearly established.

 

The 'smear campaign' Singularity is talking about refers to a half a paragraph passage in the multi-paragraph Declaration of War thread which was published on January 2nd, on the outbreak of hostilities between Singularity and SAIL.

This passage went unnoticed for a day or two, until the thread was given proper read-through by members of Singularity, who took offense to it. It is understandable that they took offense to it, and Dr Rush's explanation on the timing of the changes is valid.

However, half a paragraph worth of content that takes a day to be noticed does not equate to a smear campaign. The fixation currently being laid upon the VM of former executive WANA, and to a lesser extent, former executive Leopold, would more closely resemble a smear campaign, given that it was publicized up, front and center, and given that both are being accused of avoiding the war.
Most certainly, nobody except for one leader in one of the opposing alliances asked before levying the accusation.

And of course, The Syndicate has not forgotten about Singularity's own meme campaign levied against current executive Tarroc during Dodge This. This included a large amount of memes, comments, and even in-game advertisements which were commissioned by Sketchy himself.

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This on it’s own would have been enough to establish Syndicate’s vindictive disposition towards us, but they chose to cross an even further line, by attacking The Fighting Pacifists, solely for engaging in diplomacy with us, for a future treaty that was being actively discussed, and wouldn’t have been inked until AFTER the current war was finished.

It is known that The Fighting Pacifists had tried to intervene against The Syndicate during Dodge This, and as was said publicly on the forums by their former allies; The Fighting Pacifists repeatedly attempted to plot against The Syndicate, even before the two fought in Singular Hostility.

Merely engaging in diplomacy wouldn’t be reason enough for taking action, nor was it the reason for such.

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Examining the logic of this decision, it’s clear their intent. By striking a future ally, they hoped to weaken us further for a future conflict, whilst the current one was still ongoing. They wished to further isolate us with the threat of force against anyone who would dare sign us, after pressuring us to separate from Florida, and then consolidating themselves. They were preparing for a conflict against us that was yet to come, all whilst dragging out the current conflict for as long as possible, playing games to delay the conflict as long as they wanted. In short, they sought to keep us in a state of permanent isolation and war.

The Syndicate fully acknowledges that the hit on The Fighting Pacifists was one of opportunity, performed against an entity it judged to be hostile.

The claim that The Syndicate dragged out the January conflict, let alone it seeking to keep Singularity in a state of war, is simply untrue. Singularity placed itself in a protracted state of war, first by attacking House Stark on the 12th of November, with that conflict concluding on the 19th of December. On the same day, they attacked the United Purple Nations, World Task Force , United Socialist Nations and the Lost Empire. It had been at war for 51 days by the time its conflict with SAIL broke out, with these wars being wars of their own choosing.

Pertaining to the claim of dragging out the conflict; Singularity contacted SAIL to initiate peace talks on the 18th of January, nearly two weeks after the war began. The timing for Singularity’s request coincided with its stockpile of nuclear weapons being completely exhausted, and its missile arsenal being mostly exhausted. Singularity was asked to secure peace with UPN and WTF.

Fast forward to a bit over a week later, on January 26th, The Syndicate is informed by James II that Singularity had approached WTF and UPN on the same date for peace deliberations. Singularity began to militarize at the same time. Whilst unbeknownst to SAIL at the time, this militarization was due to Singularity having gained ODOO’s and Rose’s support in the form of a planned entry against SAIL, which eventually took place on January 31st.

In short, Singularity approached SAIL to peace out only when its arsenal had run dry, did not do what SAIL asked it to do for a whole week, and when it did do it, it was done in the context of Singularity working towards expanding the war, not towards concluding it.

The Syndicate does not begrudge Singularity’s attempt at trying to turn things around in a way which would favor them. If anything, The Syndicate gives it credit on what was inarguably a play well made.

However, the claims put forth by Singularity of the Syndicate dragging out wars and seeking to keep in a protracted state of war do not conform with the established facts.

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Well. We saw how that ended. Not exactly the finale you were hoping for. Now all these months later, I have to express some amusement at how things have turned out. How spectacularly that attempt backfired, and how avoidable this fate was, had you simply stayed out of our affairs, and not drawn our attention to you.

Singularity’s ‘affairs’ involved attacking The Syndicate’s allies, and plotting to attack The Syndicate itself. We could not have stayed out of it, even if we had tried to.

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Now with all your options exhausted, all your attempts to sign other majors and build coalitions against us thwarted (Yes we know about those too), and apparently, all your allies gone, the long trail of lies and double dealing with everyone have left you back where it all started.

Who The Syndicate wishes to sign is none of Singularity’s business, nor is Singularity in any position to be lecturing any other party when it comes to signing majors.

Furthermore, while we do recognize that this war is about The Syndicate, we are not fighting alone. Both The Syndicate and The Legion were aware that this war was coming with plenty of notice. The Legion, our long standing ally, could have left us to our fate and saved itself. Instead, they chose to stay with us, knowing full well what was coming.

We have been through highs and lows together. Today, a coalition of fifteen hundred nations stands against us. When faced by what is possibly the most lopsided war in this game’s history, The Legion stands with us, unflinchingly. 

Their courage earns them respect and appreciation in equal measure.

 

The Fighting Pacifists:

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Over the past few months, The Syndicate has made numerous attempts to undermine us. They have refused to communicate with us, attempted to humiliate us, and continuously targeted us. We are a peaceful folk who enjoy farming our pixels, but there’s only so long you can interact with a group that is baselessly hostile towards you. The Syndicate has given us no choice but to take action.

Back in January, we found ourselves returning to our roots in the realm of Paperless+. The Syndicate was engaged in a war with Singularity at the time, with whom we had known intentions to ally in the future. We had hoped to put an end to the constant hostility between the two groups, allowing for a more dynamic political landscape. We intended to make them aware of these plans during our talks, but eventually they refused to respond and converse with us. Despite our best efforts to reach out to them diplomatically, t$ attacked us as soon as the opportunity presented itself. They cited our intention to ally Singularity as their CB, alongside other vague and fabricated reasons - mainly, that TFP had been continuously hostile toward them, though failing to produce any accurate evidence. I must say, hitting someone sure is a great way to alleviate perceived hostility. After all, what’s FA for?

 

The Syndicate had its reasons corroborated by statements made by your former allies. Relations with The Fighting Pacifists over the previous year or two had ranged from neutral but negative, to simply hostile. The Syndicate had little reason to expect any sort of change to those state of affairs, let alone a sudden one. Especially by way of a last moment reach-out.

The Syndicate has also taken note of the recent decision made by The Fighting Pacifists to attack Event Horizon, The Syndicate’s former ally, with one of the reasons provided being, as Schwin put it in Royal Orbis News, “enabling t$”. In other words, former association with us. The Syndicate can not help but notice that when presented with an opportunity to act on its grievances on a former ally of The Syndicate’s, The Fighting Pacifists chose to seize upon it. This decision is particularly insightful, given that the size of the grouping which hit Event Horizon meant that it could have managed without The Fighting Pacifist’s participation.

The inconsistency in expectations on the part of The Fighting Pacifists is duly noted.

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Even after the global NAP was signed, The Syndicate continued to target us and our leadership. In a public forum post, they claimed we had broken the NAP by hiring pirates to nuke their members, citing a food trade as their only source of evidence. They chose not to reach out to us beforehand to discuss the matter and decided to shoot first and ask questions later. It was clear that this was another attempt by The Syndicate to humiliate and wrongfully hinder us. They once again demonstrated their continued willingness to target and refuse to communicate with us. They then solidified this policy by refusing to acknowledge any wrongdoing or even apologize for their unreasonable actions. The Syndicate acts as if they are the mighty law and order and a powerful force when in reality they are so unbearable that even their allies choose to disband, merge or seek treaties elsewhere.

The Syndicate did indeed decide to shoot first and ask later. The thread itself was, without a doubt, ill thought out, even if it had truly been a case of a mercenary hire.

Given that The Fighting Pacifists had no known history of hiring mercenaries, the decision of shooting first and asking later was the wrong one. The Syndicate apologizes for both the attack, and for the thread itself.

With that being said, it is regrettable to see The Fighting Pacifists would use the disbandment of a long established and well respected alliance such as Church of Atom, and all that such a thing involves for its former members, as a chance to make a dig at us. Whatever grievances you may have with us do not give you carte blanche to politicize an alliance’s disbandment, and will ask you to refrain from making such undignified comments again in future.

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I’m sure The Syndicate will cry, complain, and VM to try and escape reality. Nobody in this coalition is here simply out of opportunism - rather, everyone here has a genuine axe to grind. I hope The Syndicate will take this opportunity to learn from their past and make better choices going forward.

The Syndicate has no intention of complaining, even if we do not appreciate the VM jabs done out of ignorance (We appreciate Buorhann reaching out to inquire about it before passing on judgment). Not only is complaining pointless, but beneath us. We will simply fight this war, alongside our ally in The Legion, as well as World Task Force and The Foundation, until its conclusion.

As for axes to grind; We are aware that a number of parties have grudges with us. While we do not agree with everything put forth, as per the above, we nevertheless understand where they are coming from. We are open to having constructive talks with any of the parties on the opposing side, and hope for any such talks that may take place to conclude with mutual understanding.

 

About SYNDICATE, Inc.

SYNDICATE, Inc., based near Nassau, The Bahamas, is the world's leading gasoline, aluminum and munitions distributor for a wide variety of peacekeeping and humanitarian activities. Wholly-owned SYNDICATE, Inc. subsidiary brands include The Enterprise, which provides development and growth opportunities for multinational prodigies around the globe.  For more information about SYNDICATE, Inc., and its activities, contact Tarroc, Chief Global Strategist

Edited August 21, 2024 by Gaius Julius Caesar

[Alpha Pig]

Stonks 📉

Edited August 21, 2024 by Alpha Pig

[Neo Le]

damn

[hidude45454]

There is something symbolic about this post immediately followed by two one-word replies

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

4 minutes ago, hidude45454 said:

There is something symbolic about this post immediately followed by two one-word replies

The absolute state of Politics And War Forums

[Tiberius Aurion]

[sheikh]

A for effort

[Ronjoy Tehmina]

Very well written reply !!🤌

 

[Wingawoo]

Nice words but penguins can't read.

 

NOOT NOOT

[Sketchy]

2 hours ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

While not the sole reasoning provided, The Syndicate acknowledged that “Hegemonic Sphere Creation” was a wrongful justification for its entry during the conflict itself, in its exchanges with Rose. Provided that Singularity is talking about SAIL, SAIL was not larger than Florida itself was, and was most certainly not larger than all the other spheres in the game. Singularity’s assertion that deception was at hand to conceal SAIL’s size is discredited by it itself being able to attack alliances which sat on the periphery of SAIL without retribution during December.

Yeah the alliances that were lied about were not World Task Force. Granted, it's a bit disingenuous to claim them not being defended is proof of anything, you guys were under a nap and despite public protestations to the contrary were not about to break it.

The alliances that were lied about were Carthago and Knights Templar, which when factored in with all the various offshoots and peripheral ties that were collected, made you by far the largest sphere, and certainly larger than Florida.

2 hours ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

The 'smear campaign' Singularity is talking about refers to a half a paragraph passage in the multi-paragraph Declaration of War thread which was published on January 2nd, on the outbreak of hostilities between Singularity and SAIL.

This passage went unnoticed for a day or two, until the thread was given proper read-through by members of Singularity, who took offense to it. It is understandable that they took offense to it, and Dr Rush's explanation on the timing of the changes is valid.

However, half a paragraph worth of content that takes a day to be noticed does not equate to a smear campaign. The fixation currently being laid upon the VM of former executive WANA, and to a lesser extent, former executive Leopold, would more closely resemble a smear campaign, given that it was publicized up, front and center, and given that both are being accused of avoiding the war.
Most certainly, nobody except for one leader in one of the opposing alliances asked before levying the accusation.

And of course, The Syndicate has not forgotten about Singularity's own meme campaign levied against current executive Tarroc during Dodge This. This included a large amount of memes, comments, and even in-game advertisements which were commissioned by Sketchy himself.

It also refers to numerous comments made after the fact when we responded to it. If you wanted to make a CB out of us memeing on you, perhaps you should have done that. You chose to bring out of game context shit into an IC war for whatever reason, and I object to that.

Trying to dismiss it when it was literally included in your CB is weird though. Yet again another example of you making CB's you didn't need to.

2 hours ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

It is known that The Fighting Pacifists had tried to intervene against The Syndicate during Dodge This, and as was said publicly on the forums by their former allies; The Fighting Pacifists repeatedly attempted to plot against The Syndicate, even before the two fought in Singular Hostility.

Merely engaging in diplomacy wouldn’t be reason enough for taking action, nor was it the reason for such.

Now you are rewriting history. It was cited multiple times the primary reason you hit them was because they were going to sign us.  You guys went as far to include a reference to us in the naming of the war.

But I'll let your own words speak for you.

You seem to forget you made the clear declaration at the time exactly why you did it, there was no ambiguity, you took out someone who was planning to sign a rival in the future, in order to win a future conflict.

2 hours ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

Pertaining to the claim of dragging out the conflict; Singularity contacted SAIL to initiate peace talks on the 18th of January, nearly two weeks after the war began. The timing for Singularity’s request coincided with its stockpile of nuclear weapons being completely exhausted, and its missile arsenal being mostly exhausted. Singularity was asked to secure peace with UPN and WTF.

Fast forward to a bit over a week later, on January 26th, The Syndicate is informed by James II that Singularity had approached WTF and UPN on the same date for peace deliberations. Singularity began to militarize at the same time. Whilst unbeknownst to SAIL at the time, this militarization was due to Singularity having gained ODOO’s and Rose’s support in the form of a planned entry against SAIL, which eventually took place on January 31st.

In short, Singularity approached SAIL to peace out only when its arsenal had run dry, did not do what SAIL asked it to do for a whole week, and when it did do it, it was done in the context of Singularity working towards expanding the war, not towards concluding it.

The Syndicate does not begrudge Singularity’s attempt at trying to turn things around in a way which would favor them. If anything, The Syndicate gives it credit on what was inarguably a play well made.

However, the claims put forth by Singularity of the Syndicate dragging out wars and seeking to keep in a protracted state of war do not conform with the established facts.

Yes, you placed our peace as being contingent on gaining peace with another entity. The part you are omitting is you refused to even share any terms with us until this was done. We were not given any indication submitting to your will would result in peace at all, merely hand you more leverage in negotiations down the line. Simply put, you did it to !@#$ with us, as there would be no reason to withhold terms of peace until AFTER we peaced out WTF other than if you intended to then smack us with more shit, and wanted them out of the way first.

I certainly hope Penta or TFP doesn't have any incredibly ridiculous terms to enforce upon you, I would of course have to make sure you satisfied all their enquiries first, before we could consider peace. Fair is fair after all.

2 hours ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

Singularity’s ‘affairs’ involved attacking The Syndicate’s allies, and plotting to attack The Syndicate itself. We could not have stayed out of it, even if we had tried to.

Actually no, our affairs involved attacking Knights Templar. You became our target when your sphere chose to reveal it's hand by protecting them.

2 hours ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

Who The Syndicate wishes to sign is none of Singularity’s business, nor is Singularity in any position to be lecturing any other party when it comes to signing majors.

I can lecture you all you like, when you stand on a soapbox and pretend you are above reproach. The only difference between us is my attempts to sign people succeeded and yours failed. Twice.

[Achilles The Great]

Tldr 

[Tech]

Thank you for acknowledging the bravery and heroism of the Event Horizon patriots valiantly defending the gates of Eventstantinople, their glorious shining city, from the wretched dogs that are the dogpile coalition, but especially The Fighting Pussyfists, who, with their beta male coalition, are attempting a bold !@#$ation infiltration to genocide our majority cat population with their unjust war. It makes me weep with joy that such a power as The Syndicate, recognises the crimes being committed against Event Horizon.

The following tragic and confronting image depicts the siege of Eventstantinople at the hands of the dogpile coalition, 2024 colourised.



It is rumoured that even to their last, despite being outnumbered 1400 to 300, the glorious, heroic, courageous Event Horizon patriots along with their based, Sigma male allies KT and LoD, were heard yelling their iconic war cry of "WOWOWOWOWOWOWO" from the battlements of their crumbling utopia in their final moments, denying the cowardly coalition and their hypocritical politics the sweet taste of a poorly earned victory.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

5 hours ago, Sketchy said:

Yeah the alliances that were lied about were not World Task Force. Granted, it's a bit disingenuous to claim them not being defended is proof of anything, you guys were under a nap and despite public protestations to the contrary were not about to break it.

The alliances that were lied about were Carthago and Knights Templar, which when factored in with all the various offshoots and peripheral ties that were collected, made you by far the largest sphere, and certainly larger than Florida.

It also refers to numerous comments made after the fact when we responded to it. If you wanted to make a CB out of us memeing on you, perhaps you should have done that. You chose to bring out of game context shit into an IC war for whatever reason, and I object to that.

Trying to dismiss it when it was literally included in your CB is weird though. Yet again another example of you making CB's you didn't need to.

Now you are rewriting history. It was cited multiple times the primary reason you hit them was because they were going to sign us.  You guys went as far to include a reference to us in the naming of the war.

But I'll let your own words speak for you.

You seem to forget you made the clear declaration at the time exactly why you did it, there was no ambiguity, you took out someone who was planning to sign a rival in the future, in order to win a future conflict.

Yes, you placed our peace as being contingent on gaining peace with another entity. The part you are omitting is you refused to even share any terms with us until this was done. We were not given any indication submitting to your will would result in peace at all, merely hand you more leverage in negotiations down the line. Simply put, you did it to !@#$ with us, as there would be no reason to withhold terms of peace until AFTER we peaced out WTF other than if you intended to then smack us with more shit, and wanted them out of the way first.

I certainly hope Penta or TFP doesn't have any incredibly ridiculous terms to enforce upon you, I would of course have to make sure you satisfied all their enquiries first, before we could consider peace. Fair is fair after all.

Actually no, our affairs involved attacking Knights Templar. You became our target when your sphere chose to reveal it's hand by protecting them.

I can lecture you all you like, when you stand on a soapbox and pretend you are above reproach. The only difference between us is my attempts to sign people succeeded and yours failed. Twice.

Shiho explained the matter of SAIL defending CTO and KT the other day in RON. To quote him "t$ intervened because t$ was well aware that Singularity was gunning for revenge on t$ (and Aurora as well), and t$ wasn't going to just sit there and let KT, and by extension Carthago, get rolled and lose them when it was expecting to fight a revenge war by Singularity either way, and when KT and Carthago were going to be significant help for such a war. In short, rather fight together and win than fight separately and lose."

It was well known that Sing was pursuing revenge. It attacked, or tried to attack, allies of members of SAIL for "Fun' and "For The sake of burning pixels" which struck us at the time as attempting to bait members of SAIL into fighting wars they could not win individually, and failing baiting members of SAIL, you would compress your score, something that would aid you in a war where you're fighting someone with a superior upper tier, such as SAIL. 

SAIL did not have an interest in letting you pick people off one by one, something you did in this war here, attacking T$ and Legion and establishing control of the war against those two parties and only then attacking Event Horizon, which would pull in KT and LoD. You claim that shows CTO and KT were parts of SAIL, but all it shows is that people understood then the same strategy you are using now and weren't going to let it happen. 

As for us not being interested in negotiating peace with you before you settled with WTF and USN and others, because you had attacked them first, and those wars had been going on longer. Again, as we said in the post, you approached us for peace roughly two weeks into the conflict, when your nukes ended. We had no interest in discussing peace with you at that time, expecting us to start peace talks as soon as you achieve your desires in the war is foolish. We were not willing to tell you terms, even though they would have merely been a surrender, an admission of defeat, and a NAP, as we knew if we told you that, it would have led to Sing and its allies going out and saying "SAIL gave us terms for peace, SAIL won't accept peace though, they're dragging out this war just to punish us and try to kill our alliance!"

[Aryamik]

womp womp 
Singularity rulez 
t$ droolz

[Sketchy]

1 hour ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

Shiho explained the matter of SAIL defending CTO and KT the other day in RON. To quote him "t$ intervened because t$ was well aware that Singularity was gunning for revenge on t$ (and Aurora as well), and t$ wasn't going to just sit there and let KT, and by extension Carthago, get rolled and lose them when it was expecting to fight a revenge war by Singularity either way, and when KT and Carthago were going to be significant help for such a war. In short, rather fight together and win than fight separately and lose."

Bro you just self reported. I'm trying to pick my jaw up off the floor, how did you manage to type this out without checking yourself?

At the time of our fight with Sail, our allies were Camelot, Cypher and TGH. That's it. You needed CTO and KT for that did you? You needed them to hit us? So....you were planning to dogpile perhaps? The thing you are always seemingly upset about when it's convenient?

Our reasons for hitting KT were publicly known, and had nothing to do with you. The claim, repeatedly made by SAIL, was that CTO was not part of SAIL.

We chose to target an alliance, with legitimate grievance, that was, according to you, not only not in your sphere, but not tied to anyone in your sphere, and you protected them, to....hit us with them?

You do realise that validates my entire argument right?

1 hour ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

It was well known that Sing was pursuing revenge. It attacked, or tried to attack, allies of members of SAIL for "Fun' and "For The sake of burning pixels" which struck us at the time as attempting to bait members of SAIL into fighting wars they could not win individually, and failing baiting members of SAIL, you would compress your score, something that would aid you in a war where you're fighting someone with a superior upper tier, such as SAIL. 

SAIL did not have an interest in letting you pick people off one by one, something you did in this war here, attacking T$ and Legion and establishing control of the war against those two parties and only then attacking Event Horizon, which would pull in KT and LoD. You claim that shows CTO and KT were parts of SAIL, but all it shows is that people understood then the same strategy you are using now and weren't going to let it happen. 

Except you have your events back to front. We hit WTF etc AFTER you interrupted our attempts to hit KT.

We never would have hit them, had you not first intervened in our conflict.

The result of that is we chose to target you directly. If your claim here is your plan was always to simply dogpile us with KT/CTO etc, well then I applaud your honesty but wonder why you'd bring that into a discussion whilst trying to defend yourself against the core accusation that, to steer you back to the central argument of my dow, was that you sought to have us disband florida so that you could then consolidate and pick us off, and that when you saw an opportunity to harm us in the future, whilst fighting us in the present, you took it, sealing this war and your fate.

2 hours ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

As for us not being interested in negotiating peace with you before you settled with WTF and USN and others, because you had attacked them first, and those wars had been going on longer. Again, as we said in the post, you approached us for peace roughly two weeks into the conflict, when your nukes ended. We had no interest in discussing peace with you at that time, expecting us to start peace talks as soon as you achieve your desires in the war is foolish. We were not willing to tell you terms, even though they would have merely been a surrender, an admission of defeat, and a NAP, as we knew if we told you that, it would have led to Sing and its allies going out and saying "SAIL gave us terms for peace, SAIL won't accept peace though, they're dragging out this war just to punish us and try to kill our alliance!"

Yes, which is why you pawned us off to WTF et al as a delay tactic. 

Which is literally my accusation. And to be clear, we made multiple approaches over the course of the month we were at war, clinging on to the first as if it's my argument you should have immediately agreed to peace after 2 weeks is disingenuous. We were no closer to peace after 2 weeks or 1 month, nor were we given any peace terms after a month either.

It's hilarious that you are again basically just saying the quiet part out loud.

You didn't want peace. No shit lolol.

[Monti]

11 minutes ago, Sketchy said:

Bro you just self reported. I'm trying to pick my jaw up off the floor, how did you manage to type this out without checking yourself?

At the time of our fight with Sail, our allies were Camelot, Cypher and TGH. That's it. You needed CTO and KT for that did you? You needed them to hit us? So....you were planning to dogpile perhaps? The thing you are always seemingly upset about when it's convenient?

Our reasons for hitting KT were publicly known, and had nothing to do with you. The claim, repeatedly made by SAIL, was that CTO was not part of SAIL.

We chose to target an alliance, with legitimate grievance, that was, according to you, not only not in your sphere, but not tied to anyone in your sphere, and you protected them, to....hit us with them?

You do realise that validates my entire argument right?

Except you have your events back to front. We hit WTF etc AFTER you interrupted our attempts to hit KT.

We never would have hit them, had you not first intervened in our conflict.

The result of that is we chose to target you directly. If your claim here is your plan was always to simply dogpile us with KT/CTO etc, well then I applaud your honesty but wonder why you'd bring that into a discussion whilst trying to defend yourself against the core accusation that, to steer you back to the central argument of my dow, was that you sought to have us disband florida so that you could then consolidate and pick us off, and that when you saw an opportunity to harm us in the future, whilst fighting us in the present, you took it, sealing this war and your fate.

Yes, which is why you pawned us off to WTF et al as a delay tactic. 

Which is literally my accusation. And to be clear, we made multiple approaches over the course of the month we were at war, clinging on to the first as if it's my argument you should have immediately agreed to peace after 2 weeks is disingenuous. We were no closer to peace after 2 weeks or 1 month, nor were we given any peace terms after a month either.

It's hilarious that you are again basically just saying the quiet part out loud.

You didn't want peace. No shit lolol.

Amogus

[Tartarus]

2 hours ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

Big ass WoT

Roberts is proud 

Sketchy said the important bit already, but Shiho’s comments on RON invalidated his argument at the time and they invalidate yours even further lmao.

it’s insane that the error in judgement to defend with those comments has carried forward. 
 

[Firwof Kromwell]

Edited August 22, 2024 by Firwof Kromwell
Also T$ reaching out to EVH & KT is just like Rose n TI reaching out for coalition building this war

[Sketchy]

22 minutes ago, Firwof Kromwell said:

Rose and TI reaching out for coa-

Wait it's firwof why am I responding

Firwof agrees with Syndicate, that's the best possible evidence you are on the wrong side of anything.

I for one think Firwof is the perfect representative for all t$ matters, and will assume from here on out he speaks with the support and voice of t$ unless otherwise corrected by an official t$ FA representative.

Carry on Firwof, tell me more about this TI/Rose coalition buddy.

[Tartarus]

30 minutes ago, Firwof Kromwell said:

@Gaius Julius Caesar step aside buddy your replacement is ready 

[Firwof Kromwell]

50 minutes ago, Sketchy said:

Rose and TI reaching out for coa-

Wait it's firwof why am I responding

Firwof agrees with Syndicate, that's the best possible evidence you are on the wrong side of anything.

I for one think Firwof is the perfect representative for all t$ matters, and will assume from here on out he speaks with the support and voice of t$ unless otherwise corrected by an official t$ FA representative.

Carry on Firwof, tell me more about this TI/Rose coalition buddy.

 

44 minutes ago, Tartarus said:

@Gaius Julius Caesar step aside buddy your replacement is ready 

I wuv da daste of gazz & doot lickin

Edited August 22, 2024 by Firwof Kromwell
Sing badman too

[George Clooney]

1 hour ago, Sketchy said:

We never would have hit them, had you not first intervened in our conflict.

The result of that is we chose to target you directly. If your claim here is your plan was always to simply dogpile us with KT/CTO etc, well then I applaud your honesty but wonder why you'd bring that into a discussion whilst trying to defend yourself against the core accusation that, to steer you back to the central argument of my dow, was that you sought to have us disband florida so that you could then consolidate and pick us off, and that when you saw an opportunity to harm us in the future, whilst fighting us in the present, you took it, sealing this war and your fate.

Yes, which is why you pawned us off to WTF et al as a delay tactic. 

Which is literally my accusation. And to be clear, we made multiple approaches over the course of the month we were at war, clinging on to the first as if it's my argument you should have immediately agreed to peace after 2 weeks is disingenuous. We were no closer to peace after 2 weeks or 1 month, nor were we given any peace terms after a month either.

It's hilarious that you are again basically just saying the quiet part out loud.

You didn't want peace. No shit lolol.

I have no knowledge of the KT and won't speak to it.

But it felt a lot to WTF like you were baiting Church of Atom, a SAIL member, into coming to our defense.  Perhaps you hoped that their entry would at some point constitute a NAP violation, or maybe you wanted them out of the way before the rest of SAIL showed up.

As it was, we worked with United Purple Nations, The Coal Mines, United Socialist Nations, and The Lost Empire and resolved to hang on until the entirety of SAIL and their friends could come riding to the rescue.  Indeed, we set up a Discord server for coordination purposes and a temporary coalition was formed.  CoA's early entry was never going to happen, though we did talk frequently.

You weren't "pawned off" on us.  Once SAIL and friends countered you, we were more than willing to negotiate with you, and it was even suggested to us by Aurora and CoA that we could seek an exit from the war.  You never showed to talk.  You did manage to get hold of a very early draft of a peace proposal that was supposed to be the starting point of talks before it was finished and parade around with it show to whoever would listen....

But it's all good, since we weren't all that motivated to exit the war at that point.  The pressure was off for the most part, and many WTF members were sitting around for lack of targets.  We were content to wait until the general peace negotiations started and everyone was ready for the war to be over.  When they did finally start, the war ended very (some say too) quickly.

 

[Firwof Kromwell]

gaffe aside, let's pretend most wars since DH, Rose hasn't pulled dog piles, further been knocked outta 1st for a long periods like a few months. Let's also pretend TI hasn't called in Rose+ when they're in a "pinch" war wise. These backroom tactics are so blatantly obvious in history, this flaming & baiting in regards to is quite amusing, like something definitely wants to be undermined.

More amusing to watch Syndi, group I used to despise, be called out on admitting there past mistakes plus how they've moved on. Especially from the group that they cut since they legit told Cata & Para "pls don't do that, not a safe move,  that'll get us piled". Yall disobeyed not believing, got cut anyway only to run into the forwarned situation. Even !@#$ed about  the war being unfair even thou yall stuck that stick into your tire. Then that same group just also just flame, bait, & ignore productive means whilst acting like doing so is?! Quite pathetic ngl this is such normalized these days as a viable meta lmao.

td;lr-

Strong competent ppl admit faults n works on themselves whilst being mindful of around them.

Weak incompetent ppl propogate their flaws unto others, whilst  promoting their self claimed strengths.

Edited August 22, 2024 by Firwof Kromwell
forgor to mention constant backrooming, even after being reprimanded each war for it

[Sketchy]

2 hours ago, Firwof Kromwell said:

gaffe aside, let's pretend most wars since DH, Rose hasn't pulled dog piles, further been knocked outta 1st for a long periods like a few months. Let's also pretend TI hasn't called in Rose+ when they're in a "pinch" war wise. These backroom tactics are so blatantly obvious in history, this flaming & baiting in regards to is quite amusing, like something definitely wants to be undermined.

More amusing to watch Syndi, group I used to despise, be called out on admitting there past mistakes plus how they've moved on. Especially from the group that they cut since they legit told Cata & Para "pls don't do that, not a safe move,  that'll get us piled". Yall disobeyed not believing, got cut anyway only to run into the forwarned situation. Even !@#$ed about  the war being unfair even thou yall stuck that stick into your tire. Then that same group just also just flame, bait, & ignore productive means whilst acting like doing so is?! Quite pathetic ngl this is such normalized these days as a viable meta lmao.

td;lr-

Strong competent ppl admit faults n works on themselves whilst being mindful of around them.

Weak incompetent ppl propogate their flaws unto others, whilst  promoting their self claimed strengths.

Another stunning manifesto from the future FA head of Syndicate, what a truly coherent and concise post, I am in awe of your articulation.

Tarroc take notes, this is how you construct a solid argument.

[Shiho Nishizumi]

On 8/21/2024 at 3:42 PM, Sketchy said:

Stuff.

 

17 hours ago, Sketchy said:

More Stuff.

Right Sketchy, I'll be blunt because I would prefer not to spend entire days going around in circles, and there are some harsh truths that need to be said. 

The simple truth of the matter is that this goes back to a rushed and badly timed merger and war. Singularity's merger happened prematurely, as it is my understanding that it was meant to take place after the ODOO war. The merger saw Cataclysm shift from ODOO to Florida, and merge with Paradise into a large alliance. Both the shift of power and the birth of a new, powerful alliance put a target on Florida's back. People in Florida knew that this presented a risk that was only going to increase the longer it went on for, which is why war plans against ODOO were accelerated. 

This acceleration clearly led to insufficient preparation work for the war itself, which became evident on the days immediately prior to the war; internal communications were awful, and bereft of any real leadership. Precious time needed for the blitz proper was instead being spent on elementary preparation work such as getting alliances to actually commit. To call it disjointed would be understating it.

You combine that with a Rose that had recently burnt bridges with a number of alliances (and Singularity’s constituent alliances not being darlings in on themselves either), a MMR disadvantage, and Rose having milcom issues during that specific war, and you get the recipe for a rolling. One in which Singularity performed well, especially when compared to Rose, but a rolling nonetheless.

 

Rather than engage in any sort of self-reflection on the failures which led to this rolling, Singularity proceeded to throw tantrums; it threw one at Rose, its own ally, blaming and mocking it for a botched blitz. It threw one at t$ for spoiling its debut war. It threw one at several other parties as well. According to you, everyone else except Singularity was at blame for the loss, as if you were somehow particularly entitled to winning. Talk about a lack of self-accountability and sense of entitlement held in equal measure.

Singularity swore revenge up and down, and not only did it swear it, but also plan for it. Yes, you did plan for revenge on t$, alongside others. I can say that with full certainty, because it is something that you told Rose as both of you discussed postwar plans and arrangements, and I was Rose at the time. It is information that was made available to me, given that I was a highly positioned advisor there. 

At any rate, why did those plans fall by the wayside, I don't know. But they did, and after spending months rolling House Stark and WTF/UPN, all the while gloating about growing while being on a war footing, you found yourself once again getting your ass handed to you by SAIL, and by t$.

You keep trying to bring up Carthago and KT as being some sort of secret extensions of SAIL’s. They were not. Had anyone else tried to move on them, SAIL would’ve simply said “Sorry Carthago, we offered you a spot here, you declined. You will have to live by the consequences of that decision.”. It’s as simple as that.

The only thing the whole affair informs is that your grudge list was longer than Sulla’s after his civil war, and that people in SAIL were aware of it. Carthago and KT were aware of it. I wouldn’t be surprised if most people knew of it. We knew that you weren’t going to stop with KT (no, we don’t care about the validity of your grievance given that you were out to roll us as well), and had no interest in being picked off piecemeal. 

Our reasoning and actions were valid, and doubly so given recent events between you and EVH. You made overtures of burying the hatchet with them after saying that you blocking them on Penta left you honors even. They split from us in a bid at improving relations with you, and you repaid them by joining a comically lopsided war against them, when you could have simply stayed out of it and done good by your overtures. 

Who are you even trying to fool here?

Do you want to talk about revisionism? Because we can talk about revisionism. You're making yourself out to be this helpless victim being kept at war against your will. The reality is that you were quite happy to be at war, as long as it was favorable to you. I already mentioned HS/WTF/UPN, so I'll follow it up with you bitterly opposing the end of what became the One Day war, because that was your chance at exacting your revenge, and you felt that got snatched away from you.

If you genuinely believed this tale of protracted war followed up by Sevres-like terms that you're pushing, you would have been more than content by the fact that the war had ended and that you had not been subjected to these fantastical terms. Instead, you greatly resisted any ideas of peacing out, and only caved as a result of unrelenting pressure being placed upon you, while throwing tantrums along the way.

Such was the degree of your tantrum and sense of entitlement, that not only did you demand a four month NAP, but were demanding so because you were rushing to announce it internally. Rather than show anything resembling gratitude towards ODOO, Singularity instead showed resentment and complained about alleged broken arrangements.

Once again, not an ounce of energy was spent engaging in self-reflection, with you instead opting to spend it blaming everyone but yourselves. Just like you had done during Dodge This, except that this time, you had well and truly gotten yourself rolled solely due to your own actions, and the behavior that you engaged in between September and December of 2023.
 

All in all, wholly unbecoming behavior by an individual and alliance which, at the end of the day, had gotten itself rolled and had to be bailed out by third parties. 

Going back January, since you claim that you were kept at war as the result of some wicked trickery; the truth is that you came to SAIL two weeks in, which is premature given that usually one side contacts the other three weeks in. You did it at the two weeks mark because, both between you using them and SAIL spying them, your stockpiles of nukes and missiles had been exhausted, and most of the damage that you were going to do had already been done. 

SAIL had no interest in a premature peace, especially given the ongoing parallel TFP war, just because you were just about done having your share of the fun.

Meanwhile, your conflicts with WTF/UPN were still ongoing. These were alliances that had ties with CoA, and CoA obviously wanted to have them peaced out. CoA was a member of SAIL, and addressing their concerns/wishes was something that we were obviously going to do. 

Hence, you were asked to peace out with them first. It took you an entire week to get around to doing so, and when you finally did, you were already in the process of preparing to hit SAIL with the support you had secured from Rose and ODOO, making those talks effectively a waste of time. 

To briefly touch upon the WTF/UPN terms; they were stupid, and I am sure that had they actually been pressed, WTF/UPN would have been told to knock it off unless if they wanted SAIL to peace out first and for them to be left by themselves, since SAIL was not about to postpone its own peace over a hold-up with WTF/UPN. 

As an aside, your non-analogy to TFP and Penta is pitiful; not only are you in a coalition with them; you’re directly allied to them, and all of you hit us at the same time. Unlike UPN/WTF, it is the same war that was declared at the same time by one group against the other.

Finally, SAIL had no intention of presenting any terms besides an AoD and a NAP. You keep claiming nonsense that has no basis in reality, simply to paint a false image of a victim deserving of pity. 
 

An image that you are still trying to push now, as you simultaneously boast, after getting your ass handed to you twice and lusting for revenge for over a year, off the back of the most lopsided coalition this game has ever seen.

I find it genuinely difficult to gauge which one of the two is more pathetic. They may well be equally pitiful. Lord knows that I’d have sunk rock bottom if I was forced to do either or, let alone both.

Fortunately, I don't feel the need to have an overwhelming coalition behind me to be able to speak my mind. I don't need to be winning to do it either. I also know when I've wronged and when I've been wronged, and have no issues admitting to such.
 

Sketchy, I'm going to tell you right now; you’re peddling lies, and you know full well that you’re peddling lies. You know that there was no nefarious plan conceived for Singularity during the January war. Everyone knows that you have been meaning to roll t$ ever since Dodge This. You know that Singularity is no victim. You know that nobody believes it.

Your lying is not deceiving anyone, nor is getting you anywhere. You are simply doing yourself, and your alliance, a disservice. Just stop.