Ayayay Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Patriots, people who are proud of their country. Patriotism wasn't invented in america, you know?^^ Yes it was, we also invented Nationalism, Eugenics, and Nazis (So we could kill them of course) Quit taking our accomplishments! Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashland Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Patriots, people who are proud of their country. Patriotism wasn't invented in america, you know?^^ Nationalismus is more complicated then thinking Nation + alism = ... Nationalism in its most known form took its roots in Europe, especially Germany and Italy and Yugoslavia area, since they were the last states to unite. The people wanted an united country, thats why Nationalism, the urge to get a Nation. And today maybe its Kurds etc. who are nationalistic, or people who demand older frontierlines, like the Russians. State-driven nationalism comes mosten in form of fascism. Since people voted for those partys out of revanchism. To set the own country above others and their thoughts about border-disputes. National-socialism is tricky. Normally the words National aren't bad, and Socialism aren't bad. Bad is though was the NSDAP made out of it, it was more Socialchauvinism. Well, since they were the first and only NS-Party worth to talk about, they set how Nationalsocialism is today seen as^^ I actually did think that the concept of patriotism was an American invention. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [10:47] you used to be the voice of irc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aisha Greyjoy Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 French. Entirely a French.innovation. Duke of House Greyjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elsuper Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 French. Entirely a French.innovation. They definitely got the most mileage out of it out of anyone before WWI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 What's your views on Nationalism(agree or disagree)? Please explain why you view nationalism that way. Nationalism to me is the only chance for a nation's culture and heritage. Internationalism has caused nothing but war and chaos. Nationalism is what causes war and Chaos. Globalism has required nations to NOT go to war. Nationalism is stupid because it doesnt matter what color you are, what religion you are, how big your dick is, or how superior your own delusions may tell you, you are. Were all human. We can either choose to not be egotistical idiots and coexist, or we can choose to think one culture is superior to another and kill eachother over things that only exist in our minds. I like the idea of the former. _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odin Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 There you must draw a line between globalism and internationalism. Globalism is the art to make capitalism globalwide that effective, that not even north korea started war for over 60 years. Internationalism is an excuse for people born in an totally insignificant country or just lacking historic knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Internationalism is an excuse for people born in an totally insignificant country or just lacking historic knowledge. I don't know if you were being tongue in cheek but it made me smile anyway. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 French. Entirely a French.innovation. Not sure if joking... The first country that could be considered to have a nationalistic tendency would be Great Britain. However, if you want to disregard that nation for totally fair reasons, America should come second. France can get third place or something. Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 (edited) Not sure if joking... The first country that could be considered to have a nationalistic tendency would be Great Britain. However, if you want to disregard that nation for totally fair reasons, America should come second. France can get third place or something. Not Rome? Perhaps Persia? Can you even define where it started? Because if I didnt know any better, Id say nationalism is what created nations to begin with.... Also, your sig is epic. Edited November 5, 2014 by Fox Fire _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Not Rome? Perhaps Persia? Can you even define where it started? Because if I didnt know any better, Id say nationalism is what created nations to begin with.... Also, your sig is epic. I actually brought it up in a very long essay-like thing I wrote up on the first or second page but a tl;dr is that Nationalism can be traced back to 1648, "Rule, Britannia!" was one of the first outright nationalistic items that scholars point to, and I mentioned something about how awesome the USA is. (ooc) How is my new sig? Not sure how I feel about it yet. Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashland Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I actually brought it up in a very long essay-like thing I wrote up on the first or second page but a tl;dr is that Nationalism can be traced back to 1648, "Rule, Britannia!" was one of the first outright nationalistic items that scholars point to, and I mentioned something about how awesome the USA is. (ooc) How is my new sig? Not sure how I feel about it yet. Posts like this are why, every time I see your name in the "last post" area, a little smile tugs at the corner of my mouth. Not a full smile, obviously. That would be unseemly. But still something. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [10:47] you used to be the voice of irc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I actually brought it up in a very long essay-like thing I wrote up on the first or second page but a tl;dr is that Nationalism can be traced back to 1648, "Rule, Britannia!" was one of the first outright nationalistic items that scholars point to, and I mentioned something about how awesome the USA is. (ooc) How is my new sig? Not sure how I feel about it yet. From a political or sociological perspective, there are two main perspectives on the origins and basis of nationalism. One is the primordialist perspective that describes nationalism as a reflection of the ancient and perceived evolutionary tendency of humans to organize into distinct groupings based on an affinity of birth. The other is the modernist perspective that describes nationalism as a recent phenomenon that requires the structural conditions of modern society in order to exist.[2] An alternative perspective to both of these lineages comes out of Engaged theory, and argues that while the form of nationalism is modern, the content and subjective reach of nationalism depends upon 'primordial' sentiments.[3] Nationalism: According to Wikipedia. (ooc) Not as agressive as the other one, but it looks fun! _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 (edited) Nationalism: According to Wikipedia. (ooc) Not as agressive as the other one, but it looks fun! Yea, most people I've personally talked to about it tend to take the more modernist approach, of which I personally favor. While Nationalism is a progression of our ability (or fault, according to some) to unite under something, it should still be listed as separate from other uniting factors. Especially since the Peace of Westphalia set the basis for the modern nation state. (ooc)cool Edited November 5, 2014 by underlordgc Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willam von Waldreich Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I think that there is a way to have a healthy amount of Nationalism without going overboard. But the sad part is that many people don't seem to find that line and instead blow past it and end up being a die hard Nationalist. The United States of Belveria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmad Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I agree with both sides. A nation needs to have self identity but also needs to be at least somewhat open! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seryozha Nikanor Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 The only way to make sure this world stays multicultural is by nationalism, with mutual respect for different cultures, and the existence of all peoples. That is what nationalism is about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 The only way to make sure this world stays multicultural is by nationalism, with mutual respect for different cultures, and the existence of all peoples. That is what nationalism is about. And I would argue that, thats what internationalism is all about. _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatnate Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 The only way to make sure this world stays multicultural is by nationalism, with mutual respect for different cultures, and the existence of all peoples. That is what nationalism is about. A: Why would that be a desirable outcome? B: No, it's not, there's a difference between cultural identify and political autonomy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Von Dietrich Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Nationalism is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizban Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I am an ardent supporter of the nationalism of leaving dead threads dead. 1 FORUM RULES - ALLIANCE FORUM RULES - MOD QUESTIONS - APPEALS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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