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It is called mocking the meme of Communism not being any of that nasty stuff, but some heavenly and just thing that no-one has ever tried. 

 

So again, this Communism you say is actually Communism, what is the difference between it and Anarchism?

One begins with C and the other begins with A. (I'm not your research slave, check it out yourself.)

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And that is difference? A different name? ... right... so they are the same then? I have told you that I have searched and found only comparisons with that Communism you say is false. As such please explain.

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Anarchism.... It's simply means without rulers, where everyone cooperates and works together and no one is oppressed.

Self freedom!!

 

communism...production belong to the state

state control individual

 

Socialism.... production remain private but all people work together to help their own society (meaning: state keeps most of the money and distribute the money to help those in need)

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"It's simply means without rulers, where everyone cooperates and works together and no one is oppressed.

Self freedom!!"

That's literally pure communism

 

"production belong to the state

state control individual"

 

Errm,that's either fake communism or state capitalism.

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And that is difference? A different name? ... right... so they are the same then? I have told you that I have searched and found only comparisons with that Communism you say is false. As such please explain. If you can't be bothered to read open material to educate yourself isn't my problem.

 

 

Anarchism.... It's simply means without rulers, where everyone cooperates and works together and no one is oppressed.

Self freedom!!

 

communism...production belong to the state

state control individual

 

Socialism.... production remain private but all people work together to help their own society (meaning: state keeps most of the money and distribute the money to help those in need)

 

 

"It's simply means without rulers, where everyone cooperates and works together and no one is oppressed.

Self freedom!!"

That's literally pure communism No, it's not.

 

"production belong to the state

state control individual"

 

Errm,that's either fake communism or state capitalism. In either case not communism.

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"In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal")[1][2] is the philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state.[5][6]"

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

 

"No, it's not."

So is it the complete opposite then?

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"If a person is satisfied with everything,then he is a complete idiot.A normal person cannot be satisfied with everything."~Vladimir Putin

 

"Every human being makes mistakes."~Ian Smith

 

We do not know what tomorrow will bring. We are not prophets. This is a step in the dark. We can only proceed into the future with faith.~Pieter Wilhelm Botha

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You'd think a TRUE Communist would be able to tell us the difference between his true Communism and Anarchism but it, like most things, seem to be quite beyond Milton. 

 

Anarchism.... It's simply means without rulers, where everyone cooperates and works together and no one is oppressed.

Self freedom!!

 

communism...production belong to the state

state control individual

 

Socialism.... production remain private but all people work together to help their own society (meaning: state keeps most of the money and distribute the money to help those in need)

 

According to Mr Milton you are wrong as that is not Communism. He seems unable to actually state what difference his pure Communism and Anarchism actually have however.

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"In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal")[1][2] is the philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state.[5][6]"

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

 

"No, it's not."

So is it the complete opposite then?

 

 

You'd think a TRUE Communist would be able to tell us the difference between his true Communism and Anarchism but it, like most things, seem to be quite beyond Milton. I'm not a communist. I did read the source material and see the differences. If you elect to read a book or two you too could have this knowledge.

 

 

According to Mr Milton you are wrong as that is not Communism. He seems unable to actually state what difference his pure Communism and Anarchism actually have however. Unwilling. I've already said the easiest way to tell if it's a communist country is to check for a government. If there is one it's not communism.

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So I actually went and asked someone I can trust because clearly the super duper pure Communists can't ever answer (ironically both profess to not be Communists and not know what they are... says something).
 

Marx wrote mostly on economics and economic theory, there's nothing about government in the Communist Manifesto
for that reason various communist governing models are very different
the leninist ideal is that once the whole world is communist, there won't be a need for government since you could devolve everything down to the level of the soviets, which are little town councils
there would still be 'government' in that the soviets would exist
but basically there would only be local government
for various reasons I don't think that would work in the modern world, maybe the world of 1850 where most people were basically self sufficient farmers and shit
idk maybe it would, every town works out their own shit
most anarchist or communist government theory is based on the Paris Commune and what they percieve as being the flaws in that system
the thing people forget about communist and anarchist ideology is that it predates Marx and Proudhon by like 50 years, everything goes back to the French Revolution
modern communists are the fringe crazies who refused to make peace with the establishment in the Second International, where the socialists and communists split
the split between Anarchists, Syndicalists and Communists/Socialists happened at the First International in 1864
It's like French Revolution -> First International -> Paris Commune -> Second International -> Bolshevik Revolution -> Third International
that's the evolution of modern socialism and where all the splits happened
 

well you also have to take into account that anyone who grew up in the west has ridiculous propagandized ideas about what communism even is
it's an economic theory, not a form of government
capitalism isn't even the opposite of communism, feudalism is the opposite of communism
the bolsheviks did tons of trade via state capitalism, they were the biggest cotton producers in the world, that's how they [email protected]#$ed up the aral sea so bad
the soviets did practice communist economic theory so they were communists, but they were also lots of other things

To sum it up. You know nothing Milton. A shocking revelation I know. 

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It's bad precisely because the end goal can't be reached. Almost all of our biological programming goes directly against this kind of utopia. The only consequence will either be that it cannot be attempted, or that in the attempt blood will be shed.

 

Observe the realities of human interactions as influenced by biological reality. A very large issue in these kinds of systems is that it would require antlike subjugation to the larger collective and short of eugenic policies and/or massive simplifications in the perceived economic needs and desires, people are generally going to pursue rewards that either conflict with the overarching goal of such a system or they will choose to be less productive if faced with a system that does not reward it. This isn't merely a cultural barrier, this is an ongoing theme in neurochemistry.

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So I actually went and asked someone I can trust because clearly the super duper pure Communists can't ever answer (ironically both profess to not be Communists and not know what they are... says something).I'm definitely not one. I can't, like you, speak for the other person.

 

To sum it up. You know nothing Milton. A shocking revelation I know. I know plenty, thanks. Your opinions are as irrelevant as ever.

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So I actually went and asked someone I can trust because clearly the super duper pure Communists can't ever answer (ironically both profess to not be Communists and not know what they are... says something).

 

If your referring to me, I know what I am.

 

Basically said my views. Just because I have some pro-socialists views doesnt make me a communist. It just means I dont trust corporations to take care of my health, security and education, but I do have captalistic views as well, as I believe in private enterpises as well.

 

 

 

Mixed-Economy =/= State Commanded Economy.

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"It's simply means without rulers, where everyone cooperates and works together and no one is oppressed.

Self freedom!!"

That's literally pure communism

 

"production belong to the state

state control individual"

 

Errm,that's either fake communism or state capitalism.

 

according to you pure communism is same as marxism right?

anarchism and marxism have same end goals which is stateless society and everybody is equal. But, the approach toward it is different.

 

marxism = political ideology

communism = political system based on marxism ideology

 

In capitalism theoretically state can't control individual,  and there are no such thing of fake communism.

 

Communism philosophy is difference in each communist countries,

USSR = marxism leninism

China = maoism

 

pure communism/ marxism is utopian ideology, hard to implement when there were an a**holes in a group of people.

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For me Communism is not bad but its impossible to reach since:

 

1. People are greedy and individualist.

2. All *Communist* governments and countries just became simply socialist (but not communist) or state capitalist.

3. Communism requires the state to own the people's property but in Communism also the state should be abolish. (most confusing part IMHO)

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Clearly not enough to refute what was said in the quote Milton. You have misunderstood Communism and are just one of those deluded "ain't Communism great" kids. Take your own advice and read a book sometime.

 

If your referring to me, I know what I am.

Basically said my views. Just because I have some pro-socialists views doesnt make me a communist. It just means I dont trust corporations to take care of my health, security and education, but I do have captalistic views as well, as I believe in private enterpises as well.



Mixed-Economy =/= State Commanded Economy.

 

Nah mate. Referring to Big Brother and ComradeMilton. One says he doesn't know while the other won't share. Both defend Communism with this purity nonsense, show large support for it, and then deny being Communist while not saying what they actually are.

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For me Communism is not bad but its impossible to reach since:

 

1. People are greedy and individualist.

2. All *Communist* governments and countries just became simply socialist (but not communist) or state capitalist.

3. Communism requires the state to own the people's property but in Communism also the state should be abolish. (most confusing part IMHO)

 

Socialism is part of the process of entering a communist ideology. There've never been communist governments so hard to tell how well it's working or not.

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Clearly not enough to refute what was said in the quote Milton. You have misunderstood Communism and are just one of those deluded "ain't Communism great" kids. Take your own advice and read a book sometime.

 

 

Nah mate. Referring to Big Brother and ComradeMilton. One says he doesn't know while the other won't share. Both defend Communism with this purity nonsense, show large support for it, and then deny being Communist while not saying what they actually are.

I'm not required to explain my politics and I won't do so. If you want knowledge read the really short Communist Manifesto. If you're too lazy to participate in a discussion maybe just sit quietly and learn how people with an education discuss things.

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according to you pure communism is same as marxism right?"

 

Nope...

"If a person is satisfied with everything,then he is a complete idiot.A normal person cannot be satisfied with everything."~Vladimir Putin

 

"Every human being makes mistakes."~Ian Smith

 

We do not know what tomorrow will bring. We are not prophets. This is a step in the dark. We can only proceed into the future with faith.~Pieter Wilhelm Botha

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Stop it Milton, you are weaker on the knowledge front than even parody posters who are trying to sound like idiots. 

 

There have been Communist governments, simply not Communist in the manner you are talking about which is not how you describe either. A country without a state at all would be anarchist and that is something you have been completely unable to explain as you can't, you are the one who is not educated after all. In Communism you would require an authority to distribute things as needed to the people and as such you'd get the government in town/city halls and such. So local government being the top level instead of national government.

 

Oh, we know you're a bloody Communist so stop trying to hide it for whatever reason. I dare you to state what you are if not Communist, go on, try it. 

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Stop it Milton, you are weaker on the knowledge front than even parody posters who are trying to sound like idiots. Incorrect and you'd think by now you'd realize you lack any authority here.

 

There have been Communist governments, simply not Communist in the manner you are talking about which is not how you describe either. There have been no communist countries according to Marxist doctrine, which is the only one called communism. The Soviet Union operated as a Marxist-Leninst and then a Stalinist state. North Korea follows Juche. Eastern Europe mostly identified as People's Socialist, If you can't form a communist system (and none of the ones who tried can) it's not going to work. A country without a state at all would be anarchist or communist and that is something you have been completely unable to explain as you can't, you are the one who is not educated after all. In Communism you would require an authority to distribute things as needed to the people and as such you'd get the government in town/city halls and such. So local government being the top level instead of national government. No, in communism you don't retain a government. I see you couldn't be bothered to actually read the pamphlet from Marx. PIty.

 

Oh, we know you're a bloody Communist so stop trying to hide it for whatever reason. I dare you to state what you are if not Communist, go on, try it. I'm not a communist. Whether you believe me or not doesn't really matter. Am I every governmental system I've been educated about? Because that's a lot of contradictory stuff to act out at the same time.

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You guys are silly xD

 

I really believe the Communism (the theoretical form introduced as a way for social equality and stuffs) is a good thing but it's not currently achievable (maybe in the future)! I don't think it should be an anarchy cuz people, so im introducing the Lyre-modified version of communism! (I think communism, in its purest form, could be an utopia but i dont like it cause that's boringggg)

 

-> We get robots and machines to replace the government since they're unbiased, completely logical, and will fulfill their directives without compromise. It doesn't have to be complex, Matrix-style AI --- maybe just simple robots that do simple things in a factory-like fashion. No human elements like politics and foreign affairs --- just pure mathematic computations designed to achieve, at minimum, livable conditions for the population.

 

-> Equal distribution is only possible with infinite resources or enough for a certain population cap.

 

-> Euthanization and selective breeding (eugenics) is pretty much necessary for the happiest, largest population possible (as we'll come across a problem of living space and the best way to avoid that is to euthanize a surplus population and, for the remaining people, develop a eugenics program for dumbed-down humans like canine and feline breeding).

 

-> People will have to be dumb in the way that they don't question things. Humans naturally strive for power and, in a truly equal society, that must be rooted out in case of corruption.

 

-> A perfect 1:1 gender ratio will be established for selective breeding purposes and nuclear family units. This will be done through euthanization (yearly, through population census).

 

-> People will all have equal civil rights and personal freedoms. People don't need to work; they just need to survive by being fed daily, housed in healthy conditions, and basically breathe. Simple.

 

 

^^^^ that's my idea of perfect communism! if there's a problem, just kill it. problem solved! it's so simple and it makes sure more people could survive! pretty boring tho. You can bend it a bit for arts and stuff but that would defeat the equality of everything: in intelligence, talent, and whatnot.

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And you will refuse to explain your case? How is this Communism of yours different from Anarchism. Explain. I've checked with others and they tell me you're full of crap but you at any time can enlighten us. 

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