Nice try guy, a few wars were a shit show on Rose's part, but you know who was consistently bad proxy to now? VE.
Rose also had seen wild success in war prior to their failures around those times. Take a look at TAC war (giving credit to TAC players all branding into Rose) and Marionette war. VE had seen success in the rolling of GPA with Guardian, SK, and friends in 2015, and when Rose flipped on Guardian and SK the following summer (resulting in paragon coming to fruition between t$, Rose, and VE). However, TAC war was essentially a single effort on "Rose's" part, and Marionette war was a show of SK and Guardian fighting the top tier only, with Rose fighting low, mid, and top tier.
The real reason Rose didn't have great war performances before was organizational problems, consistent security problems with leaks, and situational problems that have nothing to do with Rose today. We often would lose in the political chess going on which resulted in a lost war before it even began. Go tell me how many posts you can find of Rose gov shitting on military moves made by other alliances during the time Rose was having poor performances in war. You'll be hard pressed to find any because we knew we needed to improve, there was no denying it. Seeing GoTG gov shit talking when they have yet to prove themselves is not even comparable to the behavior of Rose gov when Rose was in the shitter as well.
The reason you see people calling GoTG gov out for talking trash is because they haven't done anything to prove that they are any better. They are in no position to be doing such things and until they prove us all wrong I see no reason to give them the respect of an alliance like BK, TKR, NPO, or any other alliance that actually has had statistical significance in a war in the last year.
I do give kudos to Seeker though, seeing as he will admit they did not perform well in Silent. Respect to him for that.