Sketchy

lolwut. KT isn't Easy Mode, and by extension neither is tTO. GoB is Paperless Dark Brotherhood is a protectorate Vox Populi is a protectorate Ironborn is a protectorate Zeon is a protectorate (of Spectrum) Resplendent is a protectorate (of Spectrum) NK has a single tie into Easy Mode and the rest of their ties are into Nuke Bloc. At best you could argue Spectrum since they have multiple ties into Syndi, if you ignore the whole supremacy clause bloc thing.

Spectrum is a bloc with a supremacy clause lol. They have agency. Also which 23 alliances are you referring to? That number sounds way off.

It's an ODoAP lol. Jumping the gun a bit there buddy.

o/ Ragnarok Look forward to working together.

I'd pay sheepy's lazy ass to add tax brackets.

So essentially you don't care about political dynamism other than leveraging it for a moral high ground. If you did, none of that would matter, you'd still try and get around it to achieve your goal. Also as I already pointed out, Rose didn't switch sides, defacto or otherwise. We exited your side in a failed attempt to try something different (you know basically exactly what you claim the motivations for IQ were about) and as a result we were left with a single remaining ally, who we had deteriorating relations with, and we chose to drop them and sign Mensa. Regardless, one thing to point out is that Rose effectively underwent an "FA Reset" after Keegoz stepped down as we had absolutely no knowledge of the FA workings of Rose due to Keegoz being fairly tight on opsec (we had a leaker at the time). Anything Keegoz said or did privately FA wise for the majority of his leadership was information our government wasn't privy to and as a result there is plenty of gaps in knowledge that you yourself probably know more about being one of the planners of Silent War.

I did say that we resolved that issue privately. I was stating what our perspective was at the time. As far as that situation, Keegoz said one thing, Moonpie said the other, and durmij nor I or anyone in Rose government at the time knew who was telling the truth. Ultimately that is a situation between Keegoz/Moonpie that never should have gone past them had the communication between us been more open (which it wasn't). But like I said, it was resolved privately.

Yet again completely missing the point of my entire post. Lemme skip the wall of text and summarize this shit. You want political dynamism. You claim grudges hinder political dynamism. You push narratives or w/e and generate more grudges, completely counter to your supposed goal. I asked you why you claim to want one thing but have done the opposite. As far as the switching sides deal, youu've now apparently changed the narrative since it was only the other week you were saying we were in talks with Mensa for awhile back and cited them being nicer to us with the implication that it was us switching sides by design.. Also as far as the "you shitpost and then expect others not to take it seriously" jab. I don't think you picked up my point. I don't care that you pushed a narrative against Rose as I expect that much from you, I just defend against them, I was pointing out how counter to your own narrative those actions are. You don't get to claim the moral high ground and then act exactly the same as your opposition basically. Start actually following your own criteria for what it would take to achieve "political dynamism" before throwing all the responsibility on others. Or don't, that is up to you.

Pretty sure that hegemoney talk is a couple months out of date. The "hegemoney" ended when IQ was formed. This is coming from someone who called it a hegemoney since after NPOFT.

"I'm not really sure how you can play the victim here on the lack of civility" I wasn't, I've pointed out it is a problem on both sides multiple times across the various posts I've made on the subject. I wasn't claiming it was a one-sided affairs. Me citing the various things IQ did wasn't to imply IQ was solely to blame, I was pointing out that you claim you want all these things but then the actions you and your allies take contradict what you claim. Trying to paint it as a "reaction" is funny considering you just accused me of pretending to be the victim lmfao. "It wasn't as if Rose's involvement in the VE situation did it any favors on this side of the fence" The VE situation isn't very complicated. Olorin couped VE over a slew of various issues with Seeker. We can debate the morality or justification of that all day but its fairly irrelevant to what you mentioned. Regardless, those logs were a small snippet of a very very long chat. I shared different logs from the same chat to Codonian which demonstrated the situation in a different light entirely, although somehow I doubt those received the same traffic. If you wish to see learn more about that situation you can contact me privately or not, I haven't really shied away from it. "The optics are basically you switched sides because you wanted to stop losing" As far as the "optics". I've shed plenty of light on the situation surrounding that. But people seem to have selective memory when it suits them. So allow me to rectify the timeline of events and put you at ease. 1) NPO's First Time 2) Rose (under Keegoz) drops all MD level treaties besides VE and upgrades VE to an MDAP. 3) Rose (under Keegoz) signs SK in a move to found a third sphere 4) Rose (under Keegoz) enters into Silent War with NPO and Covenant. We all get rekt. 5) Rose has an internal crisis, almost loses the majority of our high and low government and a large segment of our core to a mass exodus splinter alliance. 6) Seven Kingdoms cancels their treaty with Rose. We are now down to just an MDAP with VE. 7) Rose holds an election, Durmij is elected emperor of Rose. 8) Sometime after this, VE's own Seeker comes to one of our members at the time and demands we foot the 500m bill for their rebuild. Threats of dropping Rose are thrown out. (To clarify, this situation was more or less resolved after I was elected and approached Moonpie/Seeker to talk it out. So no hard feelings rofl) 9) We are presented a treaty downgrade by VE that has language that pretty much attempts to put the blame of Silent solely on Roses shoulders. 10) At this point, we are in talks with Mensa. VE has burnt us twice in a short period of time, so we decided to drop VE and sign Mensa. Now with the exception of the VE stuff, which doesn't change much other than explain our mindset for cutting ties with them, all of this is fairly public knowledge. In order for Rose to have "switched sides" we'd have needed to be on your side at the time we signed Mensa and we weren't. We cut ties with Covenant. We then, despite having already cut ties, entered another war alongside you on the intelligence that you were to be hit. That failed, the third sphere attempt failed, and then VE hammered the final nail in the coffin and we were left with limited options. Now at that point we could have taken multiple different paths. Instead of sulking in a corner and blaming everyone else, we focused instead on improving ourselves and that was what we did. And what I've noticed, is that we've received from the people we left behind the same sort of treatment that you so readily accuse Syndi-sphere of perpetrating against the people who leave it. The hypocrisy is rather amusing tbh. "You guys just left because you didn't want to lose anymore" No, we left to ironically "change the political dynamic and try something new" and it failed. Then we cut ties completely when our last remaining ally burnt us. Now I know this might be hard for you to believe, but overall, Mensa has been a very good ally. So, naturally, we feel a sense of loyalty to them. After all, its not like many other people had their arms open willing to help Rose at the time. Had someone else came to us during that time, took the same risk (and it was definitely a risk) in signing us, and afforded us the same mutual respect and loyalty Mensa did, its entirely possible we'd be their best friend right now instead. But they didn't. So here we are. "Especially when Rose gov were openly trolling with the war grading thread" Your citing us shitposting on the dick measuring contest thread? Really? 99% of the shitposting done by Rose gov this war was directed at the people we were fighting, specifically BK and HBE. In the case of BK, it was just braggadocios shit-flinging for fun. Since they deserved it after that DoW thread. They got clapped period, and they didn't expect it. Doesn't make it a reflection of our overall opinion of BK, not that that is really an argument, BK and Rose had no negative relations of any kind before they you know, hit us. As for HBE, we called them out for being scum and trying to pretend to defend their allies while allocating the majority of their resources to fighting an alliance they weren't obligated to enter against. HBE should have just had the balls to enter on Rose straight out, and not pretend to be an actual ally, since it was clear they were not "neutral". "whole "NPO !@#$ed us with Silent" narrative from one of your gov has been a thing for a while" Him stating it and then time passing doesn't make it a thing for a while lol. To be fair, I stepped in and intervened in that situation IN your defense. I clarified that wasn't my position on the subject, and ultimately my position on the subject is what Roses position on the subject is since I dictate the FA of Rose. If my intervention wasn't enough then there isn't much I can do for you on that, that ball is in your court. Anyway, I think you were missing my point. My point was that you pushed narratives, ones that you had no particular reason to, based on assumptions of motive rather than any facts, and then you cite "grudges" as the reason for the lack of political dynamism. If you really are after political dynamism like you claim, wouldn't it be more prudent not to push narratives and assume motives and actually talk to the people involved? Or at the very least not create more problems? Your actions don't line up with your claimed motives and your response to me pointing this out hasn't really done much to change that perception.

Thats nice Milton. I'm just gonna wait for Roquentin to respond.

Congratulations WTF. I appreciate your support in the previous war and its good to see you guys finding your place. Nuke Bloc seems like a solid fit for you.

You didn't really answer my entire question, what exactly do you think needs to happen in order to achieve "political dynamism"? Also I find it odd that you mention grudges. I myself cited this exact reason and pointed out the conduct during the peace talks, the ridiculous stubbornness to admit a loss (which you ultimately ended up admitting in the end), the attempts to shift blame entirely on your opposition for your own aggressive war etc as ways this would just continue to generate grudges. Now, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you aren't trying to claim that you yourself or even your closer allies were not operating on/holding grudges this war, as that would be hilariously false. May I suggest then, that you attempt to rectify that problem amongst you and your own before demanding it be done by your opposition? Also your personal incessant need to push narratives against certain alliances (like Rose for example) on subjects that you have no specific knowledge of or any real reason to do so other than to downplay other alliances may contribute to generating the grudges you so desperately want to avoid in your quest for political dynamism.

I've been on sheepy's case about this awhile: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/17699-how-to-add-tax-brackets-a-picture-tutorial-for-sheepy/ He said he'd add them in a future update and then he never spoke about em again. A default tax rate could be applied and then tax brackets could override them. Not really hard.

Okay then. Layout exactly what you think it would take to achieve "political dynamism" and what that specifically entails under your definition. The problem I keep seeing historically is both sides say the other side should break up to promote political diversity lmfao. How about all these people who supposedly want it come to the table and hash out possibilities? Seems like the same argument over and over but rarely are their any solutions, just shifting blame or asking their opposition to do things against their own self interests for the sake of the game.

Smh pub. Poaching commies.

You forgot his super legit final rankings.

Not a bug, just a bad roll.

Possibly it could leave an effect increasing ground troop casualties by 100% (double). Because this is even more OP than Nukes and they are pretty OP now thanks to fortify spam.

So its a "kill all planes with 12 maps" bomb. Completely overpowered tbh.

Clearly not in your house.

48 hours is up

m8 the term is literally git gud, the other spellings don't matter, its a meme bro. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/git-gud

I thought it was a buttplug.

So do the amount of resources you can produce. That is kinda the point. The only resource sink in the game that is really effective is war. And people are producing way more resources than we are consuming in war. This trend will continue as we all grow larger and the surplus grows bigger.