Sketchy

I requested crayons and a coloring book for him but I am still waiting.

You seem to be forgetting I was leading Paradise at the time. You are correct that you weren't plotting to hit Singularity at that point, because it didn't exist, but it's a moot point, you did plan to hit Singularities predecessor, you DID hit Singularity ultimately, when it merged, on the back of that plan. There was even a retroactive attempt to use the formation of Singularity and the numbers it provided to Florida, as a justification, completely ignoring the fact you were more than willing to hit Florida, with TKR/Grumpy AND CATA. I was establishing why I don't trust you by pointing to an example of when I worked with you in a coalition, and then you immediately plotted to target the people you worked with in that same coalition. You can say it was all about Rose all you like, but Rose didn't even front the coalition against Fortuna, nor the formation of Florida, I have as much of a basis to make that claim as Rose does, and given my role in the formation of that coalition, more so I'd say. And considering you just conceded that Rose has a leg to stand on, it's clear you aren't denying you chose to target us immediately after the war ended. I wasn't criticizing your desire to make an arrangement that benefited you. I was directly responding to the claim you "rescued us" and that we should be "grateful." You made a self interested decision to enter. We made overtures towards you before the war ever started, to which you guys turned down. That's within your rights, but the attempt to spin the events of last war as a "rescue" of a group of alliances who had already lost all their infra and been fighting that specific conflict for 2 months is laughable. We COULD have gone through with what by all accounts would have been long nap, sat out of the next cycle, leaving you guys to fend for yourselves. (Which, amusingly, is what happened here.), but instead we chose to fight longer in order to avoid a potential nap cycle being placed on all parties. I'm going to assume this is because you only became leader after the war, and so your involvement was limited. There was definitely discussion and counter measures put into place for the one glaring possibility you are alluding. And you are correct, panicked decision making did take place, but it wasn't ours. We had very specific expectations that were set, and when the chips were down, those expectations were not met by the parties on your side of the coalition. We didn't panic, we immediately responded, and urged others to follow through on the commitments they had made, but out of fear, they chose not to. So no, I don't concede that at all. My claim, from the beginning, is that there was an attempt, by Morf, to leave us behind. That is what he supported, that is what he wanted. And that is why he brought the deal only to Rose first, and pitched it that way. Had Rose agreed to it then, that's what would have happened. You say he brought the offer to Rose first, what you are omitting, is he brought the offer that included leaving Singularity/TFP in the war alone, to Rose first, and advocated for it. And he did a lot more advocating for it from what I have seen. This I find a little ridiculous. Your only grievance from us is that as you say, is malicious rumors. But those "malicious" rumors, are just the same accusations that I have made here. Essentially, you are mad that we are mad at you. You can call what I've said lies and smears, but when things started to get heated here, I approached you and offered to settle this privately. I haven't yet dropped any of the information on here to make my points, because ultimately, the only audience here that I've been directing this is you and your government. So here is my question, Do you want me to start dropping logs? Because being called a liar for the claims I've been making is, to me, a direct call out. And the only way I can defend myself here is to start doing so. I am happy to start responding, with logs, starting with every post Canbec has made, and then you, and then the random ass members of TKR and their various hot takes, if that is where we feel this needs to go. Or, we can deal with it privately, and you stop trying to argue points in public that aren't true.

Yeah you weren't the person I was talking about lmfao.

Lmfao upset? I trolled you a little, it seems it got under your skin. You have been making assertions throughout the thread to events you weren't a party to. It's not elitist for me to observe that, huh, this lancelot guy was suspiciously absent from every one of the group chats I've been alluding to. I didn't address you until you responded to one of my posts, again asserting things you don't have any knowledge. Hell you just did it again in this post. I'm not trying to make you feel bad because you are uninformed. You are uninformed. But jeez, spare me the victim routine my guy, you came in here guns blazing, took your shots, and I've responded in kind. On that note, can someone get this guy some crayons and a coloring book?

Given the original people who made the claim have backed off it, and are no longer responding or claiming we wanted the one day war nap, I suppose that settles the issue. I was directly responding to his point that if I wanted to convince random members of what I was saying, I should log dump the information I'm referring to, by explaining that my goal wasn't to convince random members. Are you upset I'm not trying to convince you? Is that what the rant is about? What exactly would that accomplish? I was having a direct argument, with very specific people, and others chose to interject. If I had simply ignored you, and not responded to you at all, would that have been preferable? Seems like that sort of thing is what you were just complaining about.

The parties who I was arguing with before random members interjected themselves into the conversation know exactly what I'm referring to. Most of them aren't the ones arguing here anymore though, so it would be probably be bad form to start log dumping on them. I probably would have done that back in the old TGH days. To be honest, I'm not interested in whether or not bystanders or random members believe what I'm saying. Otherwise you are right, I'd just dump the logs. The parties I'm talking to know what I'm referring to, and the posts I have been making were more directed towards them than towards random members, or FA heads who weren't in any of the chats last war. On an unrelated note, the thread has reached 10 pages. It's too bad the forums aren't this active more often.

Ah, that makes more sense. I had to double take for a moment and think about if I fought VE lmfao.

I appreciate the defence but I'm also thoroughly confused as I never fought against VE lmfao.

I'm aware of who he is Benfro. He responded to me by dismissing most of what I said, he didn't want to engage with what I said, so I simply did the same. Maybe you should have read his post first, since everything you are saying, applies to him. I already engaged with him by making a very long and detailed post, addressing his random comment.

If you don't want to respond to points made, stop chiming in. You clearly aren't looped in enough to be able to argue your case. I'll pay you the same courtesy and not bother to respond to anything you said.

Yep, that checks out.

I accept your apology, and I am thankful you have seen the error of your ways. I am impressed by your humility, coming forward and admitting to such inexperience is a true sign of your fortitude and character. I sincerely hope TKR will deign to give you another shot at high government in the future so you can complete your training, you deserve it.

I am a firm believer in helping to train the next generation of TKR leaders so they too can come and gaslight me on the forums. Yes yes, I know, very saintly of me, contain your praise, it truly is a thankless job, but we all must do our part.

Not trying to hurt your feelings bud. But considering you are struggling to follow the thread, and think our argument is that TKR tried to join this nap(?), you should perhaps let your government handle this.

Bro you a regular member you don't know shit lmfao Go sit in a corner with Who Me and play some baseball