Sketchy

Wow Dio this is what happens when you retire you stop paying attention to all the major players. He is the leader of THE Centre of Offbeat Powers. Just read their alliance page, "We fight for unity, strength, honor but in the end, we're all fighting for 2 things. The fact that we have power that doesn't quite fit anywhere else other than one were unified and the fact that we fight for the almighty bird known as The Pheonix" Now you might be thinking something like "Isn't that five things not two?" But counting is for chumps not major players which you would know if you weren't retired smh. Also before you say it, they incorrectly spelled the name of their avian deity The Phoenix on purpose to keep their enemies guessing. A genius major player move.. Silly silly man.

I had no plans on buying it anyway since I stopped buying cities a year ago. My point was there is no benefit to the project therefore it is useless mechanically., so whats the point of it. The "its optional" point is a rather silly counter argument unless your saying adding things that have no purpose is a good thing now. I was under the impression you were going to add the cost of cities over 20 with additional raws, that was what I'm referring to when I said the market would adjust and prices would increase. If you don't plan on doing that, then I retract my statement and have no problem with these projects. Doing both would have the effect I described.

The only people who are going to buy the project if they are smart are whales who have most or all of the current projects already, and thats a maybe. A person at 11 cities isn't going to have the means to purchase the smaller city planning project which right now goes for about 240m, and will likely be closer to 600m once the market adjusts if this update is effective. Thats not even considering the larger one which is currently going for about 550m, and will cost closer to 1bn if as I said, the market adjusts. Even with resources going up, the income of nations won't go up nearly enough to cover that. At which point, the rate of return for the project is going to be severely hampered. since if someone DOES buy it at city 11, its going to take them AGES of saving they could have spent buying cities or purchasing different projects that have much better returns. If they wait and buy it when they are a whale, most of the savings they would have gotten for it won't apply since they bought the cities already, and are now buying cities at a much slower rate.

Isn't the entire point of the update to increase the prices of resources? Once resource prices increase those projects are going to be completely useless, the investment will outweigh the savings.

frick Socialism man. I hope things get better over there dude.

Didn't you see, Rado deleted i'm mourning. Nah jk I'm happy. I always tell people investing in banks is stupid. Its fun watching stupid people lose all their money.

Yes, because history has proven bandaid fixes are exactly what the game needs.

Lmfao this is hilarious. We had this same problem 2 years ago, and I recall saying "Sheepy you should increase the demand side of resources" and you were like "nah ima decrease the supply side". Then you overshot the mark by about 1500%, made prices skyrocket, re-increased the supply side and cut infra costs in order to balance it, overshot the mark again, and now here we are. 2 years late on the uptake I guess. FYI: This is the worst way to increase demand side of resources. Pin the cost of infrastructure, land and cities, to the total cash income of the entire playerbase, use the current income as a baseline so you don't screw things up retroactively. Pin the cost of military units (make all units besides soldiers cost alum AND steel) to the total resource income of the entire playerbase, use the current income as a baseline. Costs will reduce slightly during times of destruction, and increase slightly during long periods of peace, and will slowly grow over time at a reasonable rate in accordance to the wealth in the game. Or don't, and hopefully I'll have quit in 2 years so I don't need to say I told you so again lmfao.

Very passive aggressive announcement for an alliance called Alpha.

Given the cost to build a single nuke vs the cost of spies, and that nukes aren't really useful unless in a losing position, at which point you'll likely have no spies to protect them if your opponent is even 25% competent, reverting this change seems kind of counter-intuitive. At that point you might as well remove nukes. They will never be a worthwhile investment.

@Curufinwe @The Mad Titan You were saying lmfao. Please spin me a web on how you aren't consolidating now.

And just like that more ties into BK's group. But hey we aren't supposed to talk about that.

No actually the mechanics lend themselves to drawn out wars of attrition. They used to lend themselves to quick wars, but now you can basically keep fighting until either you run out of stockpiles (which is hard in an attrition war when you are losing since resource burn is tiny), or you decide to peace. Long wars will remain the meta unless the leaders of the game decide to disincentive it or the mechanics are changed. The former is unlikely to happen as most leaders have adjusted to the long nature of war and don't care as much as the people complaining about it do.

Thanks for clarifying, I wasn't sure since the treaty had not been updated on the web when it was first posted.

Downgrade to ODP?