Arthur Wellington

I'd hate to lead anything. I'd much rather follow. Leading seems really really tiresome?

Welcome back! Enjoy your reroll

I think the experience for regular members might have been pretty similar, the aftermath at least. Many people deleted and gone, entire alliances disbanded and the entire eco system of the game changed. But when I look at the game at this moment, besides the apparent feelings ppl talk about, I see a functioning and complete game including all the aspects before NPOlt. I'm not arguing a black/white case but I do wonder if the effects aren't at least in part being kept alive by the narration of it all and not nessesarly the actual effects? I get those two might seem the same and while they do have overlap for sure I wonder how factual it all would be if you compare activity, including inter alliance activity and activity within alliances now to the time prior to npolt. I'm not that into the hardcore PnW innercrowd with its shared viewpoints and lingo, but I do enjoy the community activites in general, and I still think using NPO as a reference point doesn't do justice to current day players.

I am disappointed

Btw, Detective Hodor, few points there, * I'm unbelievable because once a member of BK? * If so, not believable because being part of a certain side * If so, every aa member opposed to NPO is unbelievable as well? And for the last time, I do think NPO Lt was a very shitty thing! Good thats gone and done with. I just have a different view on the RP part of this game, its relevance and its impact.

Oh both of you sod off with your condensing tones, laughing your ass oooooofffff at a clear misrepresention of my thoughts on online friendships and calling me an asshat. Im simply stating my views on the hole issue and phrasing of it and trying to make light of it (because that's my whole point!) especially trying not to make it personal but not going along with the emotional way of looking at pnw history. I'm not being humble towards other views while also not disrespecting other views. I do agree NPO did a bad thing, I just think their role anno 2023 shouldn't be as big as it is now, and sure, disagree with me! Too finalize for me, I'll stop replying now. I actually really like this game and its community. Not because I agree but I like the diversity and the engagement, also of kastor and Adrienne and many others (not you Mayor ;-)). I do realize my view differs and my intent isn't to troll or make people feel bad or stupid or anything, but I do feel I can add something by sharing my view. That's it.

I'm sorry that my view isnt in line with yours and that upsets people. Kastor points out my view is weird and I try to explain that people don't vanish if they leave PnW, not going along with the idea I'd think you can't have online friends. Sure one can.

Lmfaooooo to yours, people deleting their PnW account don't die like we are in the matrix? You can still contact them via discord, CN or NS?? What rabbit hold did I get myself in?

I can imagine it ´being kinda shitty´ but man, mentally and physically, thats extremely heavy and way out of proportion for this game (which I enjoy, and im invested btw). In relation to NPO, I was/am reacting to the OP, what one does on forums I think. Lets talk about IRON more!

~Suck it up, buttercup~ Nice one, I should have started with that. My point was and is that this game doesnt need a big bad wolf. I pointed out that there have been many other alliances and people since NPO that have performed a role in PnW gameplay and politics which people could use to be talking about. NPO's role might have been big, (it is a very effective group in several games!) it doesnt, in my view, justify the intense longing for them fulfilling the role they get now. Exactly what your last sentence described, move on, new leaders, new drama, happend. Many times over. I do find sentences like 'susbtanial progress since' and 'It was more physically mentally and emotionally draining than any game ever has a right to be' rather intense and to be honest, a bit scary to be frank. Pointing that out isnt meant as an ad hominem, but my point about NPO getting too much credit (?!) in relation to the many events and people playing this game since npolt. History is written, thats the basic rule as well. Sure, reference to NPO sometimes and then enjoy current good - bad ideas, write new history. Only in the last few months we had great fun with several GW's, role shifts, leadership changes and drama. And yeah, i'd love that grain of salt! 🙂 tldr; too much NPO still, even if they did have a big role years ago, give other alliances attempting to be nr 1 more attention. *insert another awesome meme about grave digging here*

Everyone is entitled to their own views, ofcourse. But previous two posters exactly show what I'm trying to point out. I feel the very heavy handed emotional approach to this game creates a potential weird attitude towards PnW gameplay. The sentence 'we all got friends we never heard a from again' could be followed by 'because of the evil NPO' and, to me, seems quite detached from reality. I do get what involved is, no need to tell me, but this kind of involvement to me seems to have lead to the constant need to either praise certain players or demonize others, even if they have been gone for years now. Time to move on, I'd say.

I feel veinscall show a greatness in not making Hogg post mean memes or something. I performed awful this war but nothing compared to the blunder that was this war for Hogg. If you guys were a sports team all the coaches would be fired asap. Like Ron. Again, I sucked badly. Really.

Even if one would think NPO ruined the game, I still don't think that should matter all that much at this moment. I feel the 1000+ active nations at this moment don't need a big bad wolf (imagined, NPO wasn't that) to function at this time. Hegomony is a really silly term to use, as there hasn't been one given the diversity of gameplay. Just look at the award nominations, there is no consensus over any of the major categories at all, and the largest alliance, Rose, is hardly considered a hegemon by anyone. Politics and war is doing fine without the hero/devil worship of NPO/Roq.

I really like history. Also PnW history. But I don't understand why NPO is talked about so much? Has there really been no progression at all since then? Hasn't Fear and HoF been suprisingly effective scare AA's for some time at least? Hasn't TKR formed a close knitted community since then? Or even bigger, RON? Tech guys made non NPO tech, drama's have come and gone since then and players have gotten attention alot without being connected to NPO or Roq. Referencing to a gone aspect of the game makes it sometimes seen to me that the game/community has stagnated since then, when it didn't really if you read above posts (and simply skip the NPO parts). I really enjoy the game without thinking it's connected to NPO at all. Vein and Pascal are doing awesome, HOGG failed terribly. Camelot is making a comeback. Nokia Rokia is been forgiven. George still didn't pay me my 200m back. I'm c33, highest I've ever been. I like to see the alliances FA moves, tkr fighting, cata trying but failing for the moment, the inevitable moment eclipse will loose (2023?). And of all this without freakin non existing NPO! (*Insert appropriate meme here*)

Good luck and enjoy! Fun times to go at it as an alliance instead of raiding

Congrats and good luck to you guys! Hope to see much of you!

Good luck! And I agree with Talmor, you could just play low key?

Stay strong!

Next up; Dickman, Horsecock, Climax, Wankdorf, Knob Lick, Vein, Gofuku and Condom 😂

Good luck and much fun to everyone involved!

So who belong to your a list? I bet they are all the cool cats hanging around the lantern at night?

Good, the name was too hard to pronounce anyways

Going on about fair wars is a recurring topic on Orbis after each war. Wars on new people who don't know what to do seem to be the only really 'unfair' wars, everything else is politics. Losing a war is terrible (or so I've heard, never had that experience myself) but labeling it whatever doesn't make it 'unfair'. Doing FA so that you have a net positive DMG is a good thing. Everything besides that is sore losing. * Calling people hypocrits is something else btw, heydude had a very fun meme on that 😂

Yes and to speak in favor of the PR thing, Ceasar did employ loads of PR people to make himself well known. Hmz. So the vice president thing is the only one that really really sticks. So far. And to stay on topic, I think cancellation was a good thing, war is a messy thing and all aa's need to feel good about what they are doing.

True, so that's why I didn't mistakenly corrected that, but imperium Romanum, the Roman Empire, came after Caesar and started with Augustus. I do feel point two and three are the stronger points though. Hopefully he will rectify that. perhaps a petition?