Kastor

The discord is so dumb, actually. You can't talk about anything, or the mods will warn you, and once I literally got my thing deleted and a warning for posting a link to an alliance affairs post, in the place where I posted it. I was also told I couldn't talk about it to the mods, and if I did I'd be warned for it.

Ah, read that wrong. Alright.

So, lets take a break from bickering about the war: https://politicsandwar.com/alliance/id=6126 This is a new neutral alliance, which is cool, however they probably only haven't gotten hit because of the war. Do you think they'll get hit, simply for being neutral?

Its probably closer to 3%.

I’m mot sure why you guys downgraded just to go straight back to them.

Someone tell me.

Bad idea.

Please change it.

Well.....TKR side is being "reasonable" I've said that they should admit defeat and that should come to you for peace talks. I think your bogus "surrender first" thing is bogus. I'm sorry I'm not blindly following your way of thought on it, it doesn't really make sense because everyone knows how you'll lose it. What you'll do is this: 1. Force them to surrender first, then impose VERY unfavorable terms. 2. If those terms aren't accepted, you'll say that TKR side admitted defeat, and that they should accept your terms because they realized they lost. I know you'll say you won't, but I know a lot of the guys on your side, this is how you think, and I know people on the other side will ALSO do this. That's why I'm against it. Because its not going to make the war any shorter, and will drag out the war. The best way to do this is to list your terms out, get a moderator, I recommend me or Prefontaine. Or someone else if you don't want either of us, and force everyone to sit down and talk. Come to a good deal that benefits both sides, and see where everything goes from there. Staying on this path will just drag out the war, but as I've said, thats what NPO wants. A longer war only hurts BK, which I've also said more times. I'm not sure I agree with that. NPO won't throw the new alliances in because they want them to grow, I'm not sure why GOONS is even in but they won't allow new alliances to join. They need them to compete with BK soon. Even though BK sphere kinda self-destructed.

I don't think thats going too well for you. I think you'll list your terms before they admit defeat. That doesn't change my point. My point is they are hoping the people who are coming over will be more tolerant to them then the people currently here. That's NPO's FA goal post-war, even though they'll never admit it. Even if BK comes back, tC has said publicly that they're not interested in rejoining with NPO, and I doubt if they force terms on TKR side, they'll come around. The end goal and my point stays the same, nice try to divert from my point tho.

I suppose that's an argument that can be made. I'm indifferent, I've said you guys should white peace, I've said that they should surrender. The main point is, I don't think you're going to get ALL of what you want, and you seem unwilling to make any concessions, so a question could be asked what exactly do you get out of continuing the war? I suppose the bragging rights, but thats kinda irrelevant if the war goes on for some more months. You're barely growing, so it isn't like you're exactly winning here all that much there either. idk, feels like a dud to not just list your terms and negotiate, I'm not sure what exactly you get over not listing them.

The real issue is the NPO Side keeps trying to force its views and logic on the other side(TKR side). Its obvious that TKR side isn't budging on how it views certain things, and NPO side thinks if it drags out the war it'll get them to change its view. The war has gone on for months, and TKR side hasn't changed at all, and all thats happened is NPO side is losing allies and people fighting for them. Regardless of the end result, I can't say that this is a good strategy. I assume NPO side thinks as long as it imports allies, it'll be fine, but I've gotta say losing PnW base support for CN support doesn't look like a good strategy in the long run.

So I read/skimmed this, and this whole thing is silly. If you guys need an impartial moderator, let me know.

@Alex please change.

They suck, and as a primary mobile player, I’m wondering who asked for the changes? if you wanted to change something, change the thing that would cause me to get the capcath every time I go to trade.

People trying to tie IQ to AK is dumb, and you should stop. The exploit was barely used and was caught within days. The people were banned and everything is over. Let it go.

As a 3rd party, I don’t think NPO not defending tS is wrong here. I think Roq has a firm leg to stand on. I think hitting their allies is wrong though. They should’ve just stayed out. Even if it meant BK getting rolled.

Roq this was a terrible shitpost bruh.

Well he's wrong....?

Everyone wants to be me so badly.

1. If tS didn't want to be allied to NPO anymore, or if you thought that, why did you keep the treaty? 2.) What is there to resolve? Either you're saying tS doesn't doesn't have autonomy to choose their own allies and must consult you(which is toxic behavior, at the least) or you agree with BK that your ally should be hit for choosing allies that BK disagrees with. Choose that answer wisely. 3.) So Demonspawn did what Demonspawn did, whether thats right or wrong is up for debate, but are you saying that NPO/BK are going to create a policy that people can't join alliances if you don't like them, and if they do, you have a right to roll them? There's so many things you said there that are problematic, even if tS wasn't the best ally......they're your ally. I'm not sure how this is, in anyway, okay to do. You've basically chosen your ex over your wife and act like its okay.

Roq, I've been a huge supporter of you, excluding IQ, and this has to be the worst spin/excuse I've ever seen. This is Thanos/Aragorn level.

welp looks like it was that dramatic

Okay, but if they reject your offer, then they'd be admitting they lost and your stance would be bolstered. I understand the game you're playing, but they're not going to play it, and you're not operating in good faith. Now before you say they aren't, your coalition has lied to theirs the entire time since this war has started, and thus have no reason to act in good faith. Sit down, discuss terms, and then you'd probably get what you want, the prolonged act of stalling is causing you(BK) to lose allies/alliances fighting with you. And once a few leave, they'll all leave, and I think you'd have trouble holding on after all your satellites left.

Why does it matter? You guys keep moving the goalpost for KETOG, this is why everyone keeps dropping out. You wanted a surrender, they've said they're willing to surrender, so take them to the table and hash out terms. You literally keep making something new up to keep the war going. What is it that you want? I bet if they agree to surrender then discuss terms you'd change it again. Just agree to something. damn.