Adama Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 "The US has promised to boost aid and is considering military assistance – including the already mentioned air strikes on Iraq, AFP reports an unnamed US official revealing, but the state department has denied the latest unrest in Iraq this week marks any kind of failure of US policy." - The Guardian You know what, !@#$ my government. Try the past two administrations for war crimes. These ass hats are all sociopaths who have killed hundreds of thousands of people in the name of oil and have now put millions of lives in threat of living under ISIS, where women can't go outside without a male escort and they might crucify you if they are feeling good that day. The entire invasion of Iraq was based on a lie, and they knew it. These individuals are responsible for the deaths of countless mothers, fathers, daughters, wives, husbands, friends, and they don't give a shit. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/12/crisis-in-iraq-insurgents-take-major-cities-live-blog Quote If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a roll. There is one you will follow. One who is the shining star, and he will lead you to beautiful places in the search of his own vanity. And when there is no more vanity to be found, he will leave you in darkness, as a fading memory of his own creation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambdadelta Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Agreed, but it'll never happen. 1 Quote There is no order and no meaning, there is only the truth of The Signal. The Signal ever transmits from here to the eyes and ears of the 'verse. Can't Stop The Signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Bell Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 American Foreign Policy: Invading the world, one nation at a time. Est. 1945. American Foreign Policy: Coming to a nation near you. American Foreign Policy: Giving the world something to !@#$ about since 1945. The potential for slogans is endless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 American Foreign Policy: Invading the world, one nation at a time. Est. 1945. Russia Foreign Policy: Invading the world, one nation at a time. Est. 1945 These !@#$ hats are all sociopaths who have killed hundreds of thousands of people in the name of oil And Obama has had many chances to slow this down, and yet he focuses on giving the (insert animal here) special (insert objects that help animals, but are not naturally used by them) If we produced more at home, this wouldn't happen as often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 At least Bush didn't lose American Military assets to Baathist forces(Saddam Hussein's party) Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Bell Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Iraq was never about oil. (At least not the second time). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Jerry Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 (edited) You know what, !@#$ my government. Try the past two administrations for war crimes. These !@#$ hats are all sociopaths who have killed hundreds of thousands of people in the name of oil and have now put millions of lives in threat of living under ISIS, where women can't go outside without a male escort and they might crucify you if they are feeling good that day.So research and head up the process on getting these folks in front of the World Court, don't just blah, blah about it, do something! But only the past two administrations right, not the previous....lets see....all of them! Also, how could any U.S. administration be blamed for ISIS? Are you trying to tell us that those "Clown-Shoes" are the fault of the U.S.? If you think that.....you need to check your research to how long the laws that ISIS follows have been around....I'm pretty sure its been a little longer than 14-15 years though. EDIT: I just reread what I quoted. Are you saying that ISIS has stepped in after we brought our troops out of there. What should we have done.....made Iraq the 51st state? Man that would have pissed off Puerto Rico! Edited June 13, 2014 by Coach 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Bell Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Russia Foreign Policy: Invading the world, one nation at a time. Est. 1945 And Obama has had many chances to slow this down, and yet he focuses on giving the (insert animal here) special (insert objects that help animals, but are not naturally used by them) If we produced more at home, this wouldn't happen as often. Russian Foreign Policy: Not giving a !@#$ since 1939. So research and head up the process on getting these folks in front of the World Court, don't just blah, blah about it, do something! But only the past two administrations right, not the previous....lets see....all of them! Also, how could any U.S. administration be blamed for ISIS? Are you trying to tell us that those "Clown-Shoes" are the fault of the U.S.? If you think that.....you need to check your research to how long the laws that ISIS follows have been around....I'm pretty sure its been a little longer than 14-15 years though. EDIT: I just reread what I quoted. Are you saying that ISIS has stepped in after we brought our troops out of there. What should we have done.....made Iraq the 51st state? Man that would have pissed off Puerto Rico! We should have left Sadam alone so he could continue keeping the region secure and preventing the rise of ISIS entirely.Contrary to Bush philosophy, Sadam was just as anti-Al-Qeada as the US and was keeping them under a steel boot and keeping the entire region in order. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adama Posted June 13, 2014 Author Share Posted June 13, 2014 So research and head up the process on getting these folks in front of the World Court, don't just blah, blah about it, do something! But only the past two administrations right, not the previous....lets see....all of them! Also, how could any U.S. administration be blamed for ISIS? Are you trying to tell us that those "Clown-Shoes" are the fault of the U.S.? If you think that.....you need to check your research to how long the laws that ISIS follows have been around....I'm pretty sure its been a little longer than 14-15 years though. EDIT: I just reread what I quoted. Are you saying that ISIS has stepped in after we brought our troops out of there. What should we have done.....made Iraq the 51st state? Man that would have pissed off Puerto Rico! Iraq was a false war, declared and carried out under false pre-tenses. Our government lied to us, over and over again in order to carry out a war they knew had zero merit. We never should have went in the first place. ISIS is now filling the void we created by outing Saddam and destroying the political infrastructure that had managed to hold a phantom nation together. The economic cost that we inflicted on the Iraqi people in the name of oil and defense contractors has created an atmosphere of instability, and that atmosphere of instability has allowed a mob to take control of a key region in the Middle East. Could it have happened anyways? Sure it could have, Wahhabi Islam has been around for centuries and there have been times in the past where it has taken control. But this time, in Iraq, it was our fault. Had we invaded for real and just reasons, and it just not have worked out, I would be okay with it. But it was never a just war, and this un-just war has created the new Afghanistan. 1 Quote If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a roll. There is one you will follow. One who is the shining star, and he will lead you to beautiful places in the search of his own vanity. And when there is no more vanity to be found, he will leave you in darkness, as a fading memory of his own creation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 We should have left Sadam alone so he could continue keeping the region secure and preventing the rise of ISIS entirely. Contrary to Bush philosophy, Sadam was just as anti-Al-Qeada as the US and was keeping them under a steel boot and keeping the entire region in order. Why? FA wise, Iraq and Syria are perfect. They are busy fighting themselves and thus no real power can exist. All we have to do is send drones and hit the Baathist officers of the ISIS and then ISIS will become just another rebel group. Maybe supply the Syrian and Iraqi Kurds with some military assets so they can go "liberate" the Kurds in Turkey and Iran. Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 (edited) Blessed Double of the Soul of the Sun from the Sea Mother (Baraka [had to change a tad] Hussein Obama's translated name) is one, too. We had the chance to make oil here and possibly stop wars from happening in the future, but I guess animals>humans... Edited June 13, 2014 by WISD0MTREE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Bell Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Why? FA wise, Iraq and Syria are perfect. They are busy fighting themselves and thus no real power can exist. All we have to do is send drones and hit the Baathist officers of the ISIS and then ISIS will become just another rebel group. Maybe supply the Syrian and Iraqi Kurds with some military assets so they can go "liberate" the Kurds in Turkey and Iran. Never underestimate the persistence of religion. ISIS is currently the most powerful Islamic extremist group in the world.At least the nation was not burning under Sadams watch, and if we never invaded, none of this would even be an issue. I think most Americans can agree that we should have never invaded Iraq. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoko Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 American Foreign Policy: Invading the world, one nation at a time. Est. 1776 American Foreign Policy: Coming to a nation near you. American Foreign Policy: Giving the world something to !@#$ about since 1776 The potential for slogans is endless. Fixed for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Fixed for you. Actually, as a grammar nazi here, it should be "The potential slogans are endless." American Interior Policy: NSA American Interior Policy: Unofficial Open Borders American Interior Policy: IRS Targeting American Interior Policy: Giving the Bureau of Land Management Paramilitary Units while Border Patrol is Almost Gone American Interior Policy: Taking cows American Interior Policy: Slow Marijuana Legalization American Interior Policy: $17,000,000,000,000 of debt American Interior Policy: Importing oil as opposed to using our own American Interior Policy: Terrible election slogans that don't rhyme American Interior/Foreign Policy: Not saving American citizen outside of the country detained for a basic human right American Foreign Policy: Predator Drones That almost complete? Anyways, this thread has a double standard. It says Bush in the title and both in the description. Daily reminder that people who attack/attempt to attack America should be punished. Daily reminder that Obama has killed civilians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Marx Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) You know what, !@#$ my government. Try the past two administrations for war crimes. I could get behind that. Why don't we try the current one as well? After all: Daily reminder that Obama has killed civilians. Anywhere from 250 to 2,400, to be exact. http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/23/more-than-2400-dead-as-obamas-drone-campaign-marks-five-years/ Edited June 24, 2014 by Karl Marx Quote "Your 'order' is built on sand. Tomorrow the revolution will already 'raise itself with a rattle' and announce with fanfare, to your terror: I was, I am, I will be!" - Rosa Luxemburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 This chart makes it seem like the strikes under Obama, while more numerous and more deadly to civilians in total, have been significantly more precise than those under Bush. I abhor the strikes in any event, but I salute the enhanced precision. 2 Quote "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambdadelta Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) This chart makes it seem like the strikes under Obama, while more numerous and more deadly to civilians in total, have been significantly more precise than those under Bush. I abhor the strikes in any event, but I salute the enhanced precision. It's also worth pointing out that whether Obama or McCain won in 2008 (or whether Obama or Romney won in 2012) is immaterial to those figures. The increase is independent of the President - it has more to do with the accelerating penetration of drone hardware into the US defense forces as the technology improves and more and more drones roll off the production lines. The US President has about as much actual control over these figures as the Prime Minister of Fiji. Edited June 24, 2014 by Lambdadelta 1 Quote There is no order and no meaning, there is only the truth of The Signal. The Signal ever transmits from here to the eyes and ears of the 'verse. Can't Stop The Signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I abhor the strikes in any event You would let 1,000 criminals go so 1 innocent wouldn't be executed. Now this. Letting the criminals go would show them that the corrections system is weak and most of them would be back to crimes, even possibly murder. Not punishing the terrorists for attacking us (not just 9/11 because some people think that it was an inside job) is more or less doing the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Punishment is a less effective deterrent than removing the social conditions that lead to criminal (or terroristic) behavior. Your method is both inefficient (in the long run) and inhumane. Quote "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy BushMan Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Punishment is a less effective deterrent than removing the social conditions that lead to criminal (or terroristic) behavior. Your method is both inefficient (in the long run) and inhumane. Question. How exactly do we remove the social conditions that leads to them being terroristy towards us if it is our entire society and way of life that they hate? 1 Quote Glory to the divine bush for he protects. When evil flies over head in his bombers, he will not see targets, only bushes. When his army of darkness comes to harm you, they shall get lost in the endless bush. The bush loves you, as you love the bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 I don't accept the premise, so any response to the question would be irrelevant. Quote "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 I don't accept the premise, so any response to the question would be irrelevant. So you don't want to 1. Kill terrorists 2. Change terrorists' social conditions/make them not want to kill us So you want us to just bend over and let them kill us? Someone, ban me before I test the filter to the ultimate test. [joke intended] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy BushMan Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 I don't accept the premise, so any response to the question would be irrelevant. So then why are they being terroristy towards us? Quote Glory to the divine bush for he protects. When evil flies over head in his bombers, he will not see targets, only bushes. When his army of darkness comes to harm you, they shall get lost in the endless bush. The bush loves you, as you love the bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Question. How exactly do we remove the social conditions that leads to them being terroristy towards us if it is our entire society and way of life that they hate? Meh, most of the hate comes from them seeing us as imperialists that meddle in their affairs and corrupt their leaders, also Israel is a hot topic. 4 Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 So then why are they being terroristy towards us? See underlordgc's response. Also, economic and social disparity between nations is the primary driving force in most international conflict. Just as it is within societies. Quote "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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