Feminzais

[Fox Fire]

A man dies. Another man can take his place because a man can ultimately fertilize a large amount of women. He is not limited in the number of babies he can father A woman dies. Another woman cannot take her place because she is physically and temporally limited to the amount of babies she can bear. That's not to say that a woman wouldn't prefer to have exclusive access to a man and his resources, but that is not required for her to have children. That's not to say any individual has no value whatsoever, just that at the most basic level, women are more valuable than men.

 

This stark fact is evident in the very stats that you cite. Men MUST be stronger and smarter or they are of no use to society. Evolution itself has made them that way because otherwise they have zero value. In fact, women tend to shy away from any man who is not smarter and stronger than average because they instinctively know their own value. Anyone familiar with hunting laws would know the same. Generally, you can harvest as many male animals as you want, even if female animals have a strict limit or prohibition. That's because the overall population depends on the females. Not on the males. In every single species on Earth, males are required to grow plumage, antlers, or decorate a nest. Humans are no different, even if intelligence and strength are signified by fashion and occupations rather than physical attributes.

 

Women can be smart and strong. But they don't have to be. Men must, or they risk dying alone.

 

Edit: I wanted to add that the patriarchal society supported by your "heroes" is ultimately a result of men evolving to be more aggressive because of the pressures stated above. Women have no need for that risky aggressiveness because it's far easier for them to find mates. They don't need to risk life and limb. Men do.

It's not necessary for everyone to reproduce. In fact it's damaging. The sheer life expectancy of any given human being in modern times succeeds the need for reproduction by a significant amount on a global scale. Your view is conceited and egotistical. A man doesn't have to be able to beat up your dad to gain a woman's interest. If that's your opinion of women, you're just a prick. If it were actually true, pretty boys like this wouldn't have swaths of women drooling over them. I won't deny that men and women have different social strategies, considering we have two completely different brains. However, the view you're giving off is incredibly narrow thinking on a completely subjective experience. 

I find it silly and actually considerably sad that some men think they have to be animalistic and egotistical to get laid. The reality of the situation is that different people are into different things and I for one don't care much for egotism. Confidence yes, but I would prefer a strong open mind to a strong sense of self. But I mean if the whore you met in Las Vegas is your idea of a life partner then being a self entitled dick with a wallet will get you into a shit marriage faster than you can say "!@#$ I'm hungover." If materialism is your thing then go right ahead. Marry people for meaningless things like sex and money. If an important relationship with another human being is what you're looking for, you won't find it thinking like that.

I wanted to add that the patriarchal system has only degraded in recent human history, men have become less aggressive and women may or may not have become more aggressive. More heard, at least.

[Mike Haggar]

It's not necessary for everyone to reproduce. In fact it's damaging. The sheer life expectancy of any given human being in modern times succeeds the need for reproduction by a significant amount on a global scale. Your view is conceited and egotistical. A man doesn't have to be able to beat up your dad to gain a woman's interest. If that's your opinion of women, you're just a prick. If it were actually true, pretty boys like this wouldn't have swaths of women drooling over them. I won't deny that men and women have different social strategies, considering we have two completely different brains. However, the view you're giving off is incredibly narrow thinking on a completely subjective experience. 

I find it silly and actually considerably sad that some men think they have to be animalistic and egotistical to get laid. The reality of the situation is that different people are into different things and I for one don't care much for egotism. Confidence yes, but I would prefer a strong open mind to a strong sense of self. But I mean if the whore you met in Las Vegas is your idea of a life partner then being a self entitled dick with a wallet will get you into a shit marriage faster than you can say "!@#$ I'm hungover." If materialism is your thing then go right ahead. Marry people for meaningless things like sex and money. If an important relationship with another human being is what you're looking for, you won't find it thinking like that.

I wanted to add that the patriarchal system has only degraded in recent human history, men have become less aggressive and women may or may not have become more aggressive. More heard, at least.

I agree with you that it isn't necessary for everyone to reproduce. However, most religions and pretty much any meme-centered group should recognize that ideas are most easily passed down to children, rather than to converts. An easy example of this is the above--mentioned dead Shaker religion vs. Catholic religion. Whether you have the 2 children necessary to just barely have your ideas passed on, or the dozen necessary to grow it while destroying the environment is up to you.

 

Women, as a group, don't value weakness. Weakness does not equal poverty. In fact, many women would rather date a 6'1" hobo than a 4'2" millionaire. That's because "strength" and "intelligence" are more than your income. Income on its own is as much a matter of pain tolerance and existing relationships rather than any inherent qualities. Women value funny guys because humor requires intelligence (see Drew Carey as "Sexiest Man in America" despite other men making more money). Women value height because it is a predictor of strength. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201306/why-women-want-tall-men

 

This is the aspect that I think most "eligible bachelors" get wrong. They assume that income is enough. Nice guys assume that being nice is enough. The only thing that is enough is being above average in the eyes of the woman that wants you. That is more likely to be through trust than through income or manners.

[Fox Fire]

I agree with you that it isn't necessary for everyone to reproduce. However, most religions and pretty much any meme-centered group should recognize that ideas are most easily passed down to children, rather than to converts. An easy example of this is the above--mentioned dead Shaker religion vs. Catholic religion. Whether you have the 2 children necessary to just barely have your ideas passed on, or the dozen necessary to grow it while destroying the environment is up to you.

 

Women, as a group, don't value weakness. Weakness does not equal poverty. In fact, many women would rather date a 6'1" hobo than a 4'2" millionaire. That's because "strength" and "intelligence" are more than your income. Income on its own is as much a matter of pain tolerance and existing relationships rather than any inherent qualities. Women value funny guys because humor requires intelligence (see Drew Carey as "Sexiest Man in America" despite other men making more money). Women value height because it is a predictor of strength. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201306/why-women-want-tall-men

 

This is the aspect that I think most "eligible bachelors" get wrong. They assume that income is enough. Nice guys assume that being nice is enough. The only thing that is enough is being above average in the eyes of the woman that wants you. That is more likely to be through trust than through income or manners.

Drew Carey? That is..... Like a joke.... Right?

Obviously being above average will attract the attention of anyone. That's hardly an indicator of what women are attracted to. Some women actually will date just about any millionaire over any homeless person for the sole sake of materialism. Others might actually choose to go after someone from a lower social class for various reasons. However, to say that women go after people who have X physical qualities that indicate "strength" is yet again, completely narrow minded on a completely subjective experience. Everyone is "strong" in some sense, so by your logic any person can be desired. Let's remember that experience is subjective and that is a proven fact. The actions of a man may turn on one women and completely insult another all at one time with no intentions for either on the part of the man. Or vice versa or whatever. 

The amount of diversity in sexual attraction is virtually boundless as it naturally is in most social species and very much should be. 

Edited January 1, 2016 by Fox Fire

[Fox Fire]

Yes, it is quite a thing.

I can only imagine why, but there are actually women that don't mind that sorta thing.

It is not for everybody, but some actually choose.

I can only imagine why. I can not relate.

Being raised that way in such a restricted lifestyle can do things. Why would you question everything you know if it's all you actually know?

Though there are other examples I suppose of women converting to Islam but for numerous reasons. I for one have to admit that I find Islam to be the most consistent and convincing of Abrahamic religions. Mostly because of it's just so much more consistent with itself and it's ideology stems from more consolidated sources than Christianity. As well as their version of the end times which seems a bit more literal and slightly less pondering to the point that certain particulars can only be relevant to modern times as far as I know. But there are also other less notable aspects. If I still bought into Abrahamic religion or monotheism, I would probably find it quite convincing. Even not being fond of Abrahamic religion, I find it worthy of thinking about. 

[Dimitri Valko]

 

Well, statistically, there's more of a chance of encountering a rapist if you're going to parties, walking home alone, or going down a dark street, as opposed to being at home, yes? There are tonnes of reports of people with their drinks drugged at parties, but not as many serial rapists who successfully break into homes. That's why these "100% Rapists" things is bullshit, of course that's the reason of rape, but certain scenarios can certainly increase your chances of being raped.

[Fox Fire]

Well, statistically, there's more of a chance of encountering a rapist if you're going to parties, walking home alone, or going down a dark street, as opposed to being at home, yes? There are tonnes of reports of people with their drinks drugged at parties, but not as many serial rapists who successfully break into homes. That's why these "100% Rapists" things is bullshit, of course that's the reason of rape, but certain scenarios can certainly increase your chances of being raped.

Well sure. My chances of being involved in a car crash are also zero if I stay home.... Does that mean women should't drive?

There is a point where I expect women to be responsible and I agree that certain scenarios involve higher risks. It's just like how nobody should be very surprised if someone goes to a war zone and gets killed. Obviously there were considerable risks involved in that decision that anyone should have been aware of. I highly discourage any girl from putting themselves in a situation where they are passing out at a party filled with random intoxicated people. It's clear to me, that could easily be an unsafe atmosphere and I wouldn't be surprised to wake up in such a situation to realize I've been raped or otherwise abused. However that doesn't mean that walking home alone causes rape. The fact still remains that the only actual cause of rape is.... Rapists. 

[Belisarius]

Well, statistically, there's more of a chance of encountering a rapist if you're going to parties, walking home alone, or going down a dark street, as opposed to being at home, yes? There are tonnes of reports of people with their drinks drugged at parties, but not as many serial rapists who successfully break into homes. That's why these "100% Rapists" things is bullshit, of course that's the reason of rape, but certain scenarios can certainly increase your chances of being raped.

 

Eh, no. The majority of rapists rape someone they know or are acquitted with. It's far more likely to happen at home than the stereotypical scenarios you outlined above.

 

Besides, the blame lies with the rapists, not the victims. I don't know why this is even in dispute. 

[Dimitri Valko]

Eh, no. The majority of rapists rape someone they know or are acquitted with. It's far more likely to happen at home than the stereotypical scenarios you outlined above.

 

Besides, the blame lies with the rapists, not the victims. I don't know why this is even in dispute. 

 

Eh, no. Of course the rapists are to blame, that's not at all what's in dispute -- What was in dispute was that the "100% cause of rape is rapists" thing, because certain scenarios can put you in more of a chance of encountering a rapist than others. If anything, your source supports that claim, such as the percentages attributed to times.

Edited January 1, 2016 by Dimitri Valko

[Fox Fire]

Eh, no. Of course the rapists are to blame, that's not at all what's in dispute -- What was in dispute was that the "100% cause of rape is rapists" thing, because certain scenarios can put you in more of a chance of encountering a rapist than others. If anything, your source supports that claim, such as the percentages attributed to times.

That's entirely flawed logic. I increase my chances of literally anything, any scenario happening, by simply walking outside. What is your solution to reduce this risk of things happening? Should I be locked in a cage or shunned for being raped because I didn't have a strong 13 yr old named Abu to escort me through public? Regardless of the fact that most rapes are actually in private settings and committed by people socially close to you?

 

Yet again, the cause of rape is..... What was it again? I'm finding it hard to remember with how man- Oh wait, it's called rapists! That's it!

Edited January 1, 2016 by Fox Fire

[Belisarius]

Eh, no. Of course the rapists are to blame, that's not at all what's in dispute -- What was in dispute was that the "100% cause of rape is rapists" thing, because certain scenarios can put you in more of a chance of encountering a rapist than others. If anything, your source supports that claim, such as the "24% occur between midnight and 6:00am" statement.

 

If you acknowledge that:

1. Rapists are to blame for rapes
2. That this is not in dispute

...what is the point of your objection? That women shouldn't go out and do things like men? That women should live under the fear of being rape? You say the graphic is bullshit, but the reason you give are incoherent.

 

If you don't dispute that rapists are to blame, what are you objecting to? That certain situations increases the likelihood of rape? No shit, as FoxFire said, you can say the same thing about car accidents.

 

My response to you was on your notion that this is due to people going to parties and drinking spiked drinks, or walking alone - a statement you said that the statistics bear out. The statistics I posted (derived from the US Department of Justice) showed that the majority of rapists are someone that knows the victim, either their SO, friend, acquaintance, or relative. That is, not the scenario you imagined above.

 

And even if this were not the case, you have not said anything that would indicate that the graphic is incorrect. You even acknowledge it was correct and "indisputable!" So what is your point?

 

Rapists are to blame entirely for their rapes, regardless of the victim's gender, beliefs, conduct, situation, time, or location. The victim is blameless.

 

I mean, if you can't agree to that, there really isn't any hope for you >_>

 

 

[Dimitri Valko]

 And even if this were not the case, you have not said anything that would indicate that the graphic is incorrect. You even acknowledge it was correct and "indisputable!" So what is your point?

 

Because saying that the only cause for rapists is rape, or the only cause for murder is murderers, is like saying the only cause for suicide is suicide victims. Like, no f**king shit. But when someone uses a pie chart that states the obvious and uses it to say that everyone has an equal chance to be raped, it's a f**king joke.

Edited January 1, 2016 by Dimitri Valko

[Belisarius]

!@#$ this thread went downhill fast.

 

It was a thread on the absurd notion of "feminazis"...it was always crap

 

Because saying that the only cause for rapists is rape, or the only cause for murder is murderers, is like saying the only cause for suicide is suicide victims. Like, no f**king shit. But when someone uses a pie chart that states the obvious and uses it to say that everyone has an equal chance to be raped, it's a f**king joke.

What? The graphic doesn't say that. It mocks the suggestion that the victim is to blame. You yourself acknowledge that, lol.

Edited January 1, 2016 by Belisarius

[Dimitri Valko]

 What? The graphic doesn't say that. It mocks the suggestion that the victim is to blame. You yourself acknowledge that, lol.

 

Oh.

Sorry, it's New Years, almost 3 am, and I'm drunk as a motherf**ker.

Uh... yeah, sorry.

[Fox Fire]

!@#$ this thread went downhill fast.

It a feminism thread. You couldn't possibly expect it not to.

 

 

 

What? The graphic doesn't say that. It mocks the suggestion that the victim is to blame. You yourself acknowledge that, lol.

^ Pretty much this. The graphic isn't a scientific statistic by any means. It simply points out the fact that blaming people for being raped is like blaming people for being mugged. Sure, it's quite possible that the way I dress or the car I drive might be included in the criminals decision to commit his crime, but when it all comes down to it, it's the criminals choice to commit a crime. Not the victims. 

I'll go as far as saying this:

Take the example of a drunk girl at a party...

The girl can be entirely blamed in most cases I can imagine, of putting themselves in such a situation. Regardless, there is no logical reason to place blame on the girl for being raped regardless of how she dresses or even acts. Walking down the street nude doesn't mean I should expect to be raped. Does it increase the possibility? Sure, but so do so many other factors, like simply being in that location at that time regardless of anything being worn. The fact that women are more often raped in private settings by their own acquaintances where women are most vulnerable should show that style of dress, etc, likely has little effect on the criminals decision do commit said crime.

 

 

Oh.

Sorry, it's New Years, almost 3 am, and I'm drunk as a motherf**ker.

Uh... yeah, sorry.

Happy new years! I'm surprised I'm still posting here and still drinking, but this new years was uneventful and I'm actually quite bored.

[Dimitri Valko]

Happy new years! I'm surprised I'm still posting here and still drinking, but this new years was uneventful and I'm actually quite bored.

 

Yeah, have a great night, miss. I'm gonna drink my worries away and regret it the day later.

[greatkitteh]

It's not necessary for everyone to reproduce. In fact it's damaging. The sheer life expectancy of any given human being in modern times succeeds the need for reproduction by a significant amount on a global scale. Your view is conceited and egotistical. A man doesn't have to be able to beat up your dad to gain a woman's interest. If that's your opinion of women, you're just a prick. If it were actually true, pretty boys like this wouldn't have swaths of women drooling over them. I won't deny that men and women have different social strategies, considering we have two completely different brains. However, the view you're giving off is incredibly narrow thinking on a completely subjective experience.

I find it silly and actually considerably sad that some men think they have to be animalistic and egotistical to get laid. The reality of the situation is that different people are into different things and I for one don't care much for egotism. Confidence yes, but I would prefer a strong open mind to a strong sense of self. But I mean if the whore you met in Las Vegas is your idea of a life partner then being a self entitled dick with a wallet will get you into a shit marriage faster than you can say "!@#$ I'm hungover." If materialism is your thing then go right ahead. Marry people for meaningless things like sex and money. If an important relationship with another human being is what you're looking for, you won't find it thinking like that.

I wanted to add that the patriarchal system has only degraded in recent human history, men have become less aggressive and women may or may not have become more aggressive. More heard, at least.

Yes, a women can reproduce. However, it doesnt matter How hard men have to work to get laid, or that women primarily chose the decsion. Women can produce all yhe babies in the world, however, this is useless without men. It takes man to actually sustain the baby- The surgeons and troops and lawyers are all primarily male.

 

Think of it this way- If the women fight a war with men and have four thousand tanks and no crewwomen, the tanks will he useless. Simillarly, it doesnt matter how much women have babies because the man has the strength and intellect to sustain the babies.

[Haylz]

I'm a complete "feminazi"! i'm sorry but until you can go out and earn a very good wage not many respectable woman will stay barefoot and in the kitchen. 

 

However though it is each to their own and if you have a problem with a woman you have no interest in being involved with, being self sufficient and successful then that's your issue!

 

I have tried the whole stay at home and look after the kids while my husband goes out to work and it just didn't work at all! Truth is women are only inferior to men when men are the ones who write the rules! Since we have been given equal rights we are slowly taking over you guys in the way of superiority! With hope in a few years men will be kept in huge warehouses and chosen by women out of a catalogue ha ha ha. 

 

I find women to be more motivated than men and now allot of women work full time men cannot come home moan about their day and sit with their feet up. Keeping a house and looking after children is far harder than most jobs. 

 

As for domestic violence working both ways yes it does but this is a complete and utter different conversation. Domestic violence isn't just about a person being physically hurt by their partner it's about mental abuse too. People in abusive situations are brainwashed they believe they cannot leave. I volunteer and also motivationally speak for domestic abuse services and iv helped many women and a few men escape their violent partners. I understand more than most how domestic abuse works but you cannot blame the few abusive stories that you've read on a whole sex! There's evil people in every gender, race and country. It's down to the individual's own values, beliefs and mental stability. 

 

As for women drivers did you take into account all the over aggressive men out on the roads putting lives in danger? I am a phenomenal driver and i'm licenced to drive everything. Some of the women in my family are truck drivers and quickly worked themselves up the ranks past men in the organisations to higher positions due to their driving!  so that's stereotyping yet again. 

 

In my opinion if men learnt how to respect and care about their women this discussion wouldn't be happening. When you plan on getting married and leaving your woman at home to cook and clean do you intend on coming straight home from work to spend time with her and your children? Do you intend on doing all the manly jobs around the house? do you intend in actually caring for her? making reasonable decisions for the household? The only reason i do it all by myself is because no other man would have to ability or has been able to give me the life i have for myself now! Sorry guys but unless you start pulling your finger out and treating your women right feminism is only going to get bigger! 

[Moreau]

I laugh at you

[Haylz]

I laugh at you

Who?

[Hereno]

this thread is !@#$ing terrible

 

i, for one, welcome our new amazonian overlords

[Lelouch Vi Britannia]

I'm a complete "feminazi"! i'm sorry but until you can go out and earn a very good wage not many respectable woman will stay barefoot and in the kitchen. 

 

However though it is each to their own and if you have a problem with a woman you have no interest in being involved with, being self sufficient and successful then that's your issue!

 

I have tried the whole stay at home and look after the kids while my husband goes out to work and it just didn't work at all! Truth is women are only inferior to men when men are the ones who write the rules! Since we have been given equal rights we are slowly taking over you guys in the way of superiority! With hope in a few years men will be kept in huge warehouses and chosen by women out of a catalogue ha ha ha. 

 

I find women to be more motivated than men and now allot of women work full time men cannot come home moan about their day and sit with their feet up. Keeping a house and looking after children is far harder than most jobs. 

 

As for domestic violence working both ways yes it does but this is a complete and utter different conversation. Domestic violence isn't just about a person being physically hurt by their partner it's about mental abuse too. People in abusive situations are brainwashed they believe they cannot leave. I volunteer and also motivationally speak for domestic abuse services and iv helped many women and a few men escape their violent partners. I understand more than most how domestic abuse works but you cannot blame the few abusive stories that you've read on a whole sex! There's evil people in every gender, race and country. It's down to the individual's own values, beliefs and mental stability. 

 

As for women drivers did you take into account all the over aggressive men out on the roads putting lives in danger? I am a phenomenal driver and i'm licenced to drive everything. Some of the women in my family are truck drivers and quickly worked themselves up the ranks past men in the organisations to higher positions due to their driving!  so that's stereotyping yet again. 

 

In my opinion if men learnt how to respect and care about their women this discussion wouldn't be happening. When you plan on getting married and leaving your woman at home to cook and clean do you intend on coming straight home from work to spend time with her and your children? Do you intend on doing all the manly jobs around the house? do you intend in actually caring for her? making reasonable decisions for the household? The only reason i do it all by myself is because no other man would have to ability or has been able to give me the life i have for myself now! Sorry guys but unless you start pulling your finger out and treating your women right feminism is only going to get bigger! 

So are you for equailty or female superiority?

[Them]

So are you for equailty or female superiority?

Basically, they are saying that with equal rights and opportunities, women will naturally attain superiority, so both?

[Haylz]

So are you for equailty or female superiority?

Im not for female superiority it's going to happen and is starting to happen right now!!! If men don't like it stop being lazy and treat your women right it's simple!!

[Haylz]

*laughs*

*laughs even louder then rolls eyes and laughs again walks away shaking head giggling thing you'll see*

[Fox Fire]

Based on the differences in male and female mentality, I highly doubt women are going to become socially superior to men.