Spaceman Thrax

I don't think Buor explicitly mentioned it either. I think it's kind of telling that you framed it like that though, honestly. I assume BK's "investigation", as a gov, was probably more "ask other AK gov if they knew, then believe them, then work on trying to justify it" (which was, apparently, done by trying to posit, once again, that it's ok because ORANGE MAN DID SOMETHING WORSE!). Could be wrong here: if they have anything with more substance they should probably share it. Akuryo has suggested (and I think you actually agreed?) that knowledge of the exploit came from within your own coalition and that AK exploited it from there. In similar situations, I have never presented an exploit I've found to other parties without also reporting it to admin, so I find that fishy. I also do not put much stock in the idea that Alex got all of it, and I also have seen one of your old allies saying, essentially, "well AK was super worried about resources and then stopped all of a sudden so the idea that they were cheating makes sense".... this is all coming off me perusing forums, so maybe there's more entries on either side of the column, but unfortunately I don't put much stock in your coalition's ability to be forthright about it. On your last point: i agree. I don't think people who haven't cheated should be punished. I don't actually see any solid proof anyone in BK actually intended to cheat. But this is where the comparison to Nova is actually relevant: BK didn't do a thorough investigation over Nova. They just hit them, including many, many members who had no idea what was going on and didn't benefit from it. It's pretty much impossible for me to assume good faith, considering that. It's just a simple matter of politics, for your government: it's okay for war efforts to be propped up by cheating, as long as it's your side. Anyway. That's where I'm coming from. Parts may be wrong or incomplete but I'd really urge you to try and understand it in its totality if you really want to get through to me on this one.... it is not a good look.

Alright George. So I'm at a bit of an impasse here. I made a comment based on something I'm pretty much already decided on. I actually think you're replying to it earnestly (could be wrong?) and while I have tons of problems with what you wrote, I'd rather ease up than polarize this more than is absolutely necessary. So I guess my question is do you really want to discuss this? Because I'll lay out where I'm coming from for you, but it won't be pretty, and if you're just going to meme about it, I'd really rather not waste my time. So your call. As a starting point though: all of what you wrote is predicated on a comparison to Nova Riata. I actually didn't mention Nova Riata. What I implied is that your coalition goes too far trying to justify cheating anime nazis because it benefits their military effort. Nova isn't really relevant to that.

Correct. Your alliance is a joke. : )

Straight up I'm not ruling out your gov using that as a "legit" log later.

Or if they existed. If they show you, though, feel free to share. I've pretty consistently said (in fact, I first said it about a lie before they even came up with this one, and they came up with nothing that time too) that if TKR did say anything like that, they'd have a problem with CoS as well, since they'd also have lied to me. Seems a pretty good way to unseat the horrible TKR would-be hegemony that totally isn't fictional would be to just release the totally-not-fabricated CB for this war, but alas.

Tbh, that one is more in line with my expectations of them than "defending cheaters who are also nazis because it benefits their war effort". One is being mustache-twirling in game disingenuous, which is pretty much in line with my expectations of them. The other is, actually, a new low imo.

Whelp I am back from vacation and it's amusing to see people still bothering to reply to roq's samey nonsense for some reason. Here's some footage of anyone genuine responding to Roq's increasingly-deranged narratives: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-e46xdcUo So what else is new. Cheating anime nazis, you say? Great stuff, great stuff. Stay classy, IQ sphere. Missed you!

I mean, this. At least you are honest about your intent to make the game less fun and cause people to quit, which is more than I can say for some. Personally though nothing takes the wind out of my sails more than uneven moderation.

Also: if it was a fake war, why did you call it a war war? Isn't that twice as war?

Maybe he's just smaht, and that's why he can do things?

Love you Rags! Good luck to everyone resettling.

A while ago I had a dream about having a Wrestlemania-style match with an endless army of midgets. I've decided this is how I want to die. ...anyway yeah welcome!

I mean. This being the case, what are you trying to accomplish actually? I hope you're having fun (this might sound sarcastic but it's not! I hope you're enjoying this because if you think it's pointless and aren't enjoying it that sucks). Pasky: I could certainly wax philosophical about why the forum topics are so cyclical.... and might as well, since it's at least a slightly different topic. Hahaha. I think mostly the issue here is that this war doesn't actually have much to discuss politically: it's an old dynamic pushed by some old players, and is also dragging out. The fighting is a slog, so people come to the forums if they are thinking about the game, but there's really not much to comment on at the same time. Which isn't to say the war is devoid of politics per se, but it certainly doesn't have multiple months worth of it to discuss, either.

So your "intel" is that your gov is wrong? Edit: You're talking out of both sides of your mouth with purporting to care about dynamism in one breath and maintaining your irrational grudge against TKR with the next. It's a shame, really: it didn't have to be that way at all, and our actions reflect that. Yours do not. No amount of disingenuous whining changes the facts on the ground.

Uhhh. I think you can do better than this, tonewise. It might be time for a break. The forums will still be dumb when you come back!

Obviously, I am going to take what he said to be the truth rather than your assurance/spin on it, but sure, ok. My point isn't even about what he said in a vacuum... just that what he said was worse for the game than other things you supposedly find so offensive, like, for example, drawing ms paint pictures for mistrades. I'm more than capable of arguing in good faith. I get flippant after I've established someone is full of it, not before, because I value my time. There are even people within the NPO I have no problem engaging with.... you're just not one of them. So with that in mind, I'll go back to mostly ignoring you until the next time you say something particularly silly about my ally.

I did, here, and you ignored it. I suppose I could summarize by saying I don't think you argue in good faith. You accuse other people of what you are guilty of, because you as think it's to your advantage to paint everyone else as as full of it as you are. ....but it's mostly just you.

Thank you for your earnestness, oh benevolent gamekeeper. It's this commitment to derogatory, disingenuous nonsense that really underscores your ability and commitment to a better community for everyone. ❤️ In all seriousness, though, the way you talk to people is pretty distasteful and not at all necessary. That first line is you essentially saying "oh, well, it's okay to attack people personally because you started it", which would be pretty awful even if it was true, and it's not. I find it fairly astonishing a major alliance would want you as a figurehead, but I suppose there's a fair amount about NPO that I don't understand.

Lol. People were being asked to draw ms paint pictures for mistrades, and you threw a fit because of some crap in another game. I'm so glad you're here to save the game from being toxic! Still waiting on you actually doing something about your friends trying to drive people out of the game and throwing around personal insults, by the by. Since, you know, you care so much about it and that is totally not something you are just putting on.

Hahahaha. Whatever man. Enjoy lying. I'm sure you've got everyone fooled with your phantom log, though.

Wow you're getting bolder with these hahahaha. Can we see your totally not fictitious CB on TKR yet or are we still ignoring that question?

Good luck OFA. That was a long war for a newer alliance. Don't take people's barbs about how you should run your alliance TOO seriously.... remember that a lot of these people who have been playing political sims for a long time have been playing political sims for a long time, so obviously they're a little twisted. : )

Quick, edit it into your op!

I'm just going to reply to the nonsense that specifically mentions me. I already noted that I am not the FA head for my alliance. Your problems with CoS are borne of your own interactions with Ripper, sorry to say. I did indeed say there were some people that I don't want to deal with. Me, personally. So I don't deal with them. I'm not in our coalition's channel currently, because there are people on our side of this war I prefer not to deal with as well. So that's a pregnant leap there, and one that would be easily dispelled if you have a mind to. I will note again that you are citing old grudges. Most of these people are probably "biased" against you because of actually TRYING to deal with you though. Again, sorry dude, you're the common denominator there. "I don't even have to go into how he has used the connections he has to present a more favorable view of his alliance's intent in this war. " This might actually be the funniest bit. This is literally you blaming me for countering the nonsense narratives you put out about me. Uhh yeah. Guilty. Burn me at the stake. If we're playing a political game, blaming me for this is tantamount to blaming me for playing/breathing. And actually, damn, if that's what you got on me after all this time, I must be a spiffy fella. Anyway. If you want to move the conversation forward, actually, please start with the "intel" you had that showed my ally planned to attack you, because that's the most important thing, and that's what you keep dodging with these weird tangents.

Remember when NPO said they did everything they could to prevent this in their DoW on TKR? You've literally put more work into spin on this thread than you did actual diplomacy in the entire period since you supposedly broke from BK. Edit: Roq your anti-TKR grudge positively bleeds off of your last post. The truth is, Chaos broke TKR away from their upper tier buddies. That was a real break, not the fake one you did from BK. So don't expect anyone to take your word anymore, absent some genuine action.