Tariffs

[Nicholas II]

I was thinking that a mechanic could be implemented that could add an interesting twist on both economics and inter-alliance politics, tariffs - a tax on trade. This could be set up like embargoes are, being that you embargo specific people/alliances, this would be to discourage trade with specific persons (ergo deterring your resources/money going to a hostile, or condemned, alliance).

 

I find it blatant that this would affect both economics and politics. But also, in address to past suggestions, inter-alliance economic blocs/syndicates/cartels were thrown around before.  This mechanic is not, by any means, a mechanic specifically created to form these types of unions, but it will foster something of the sort inherently, naturally. I think that this sates both sides to the original proposal, that there is no true mechanic designed for such economic unions, but there is a side-step to establishing such things... while not being an economic union itself.

 

I believe that this would be a very interesting mechanic.

Edited January 21, 2015 by TsarNicholasII

[Saru]

Need to work out the specifics, but could be interesting.

[Nicholas II]

Well I figured that it would be a percentage, perhaps 10% (?) (or it could simply be decided by the alliance, perhaps with a maximum point - I like this idea more), of whatever bought/sold is taken from what you actually get. But this could not just disappear to anywhere, and it is imposed by alliances (looking over it, I do not see why individuals would do it), so the 10% would be taken by the alliance, into the bank.

 

i.e.

 

Person A's alliance has an embargo on B's. Person A buys 20 steel from B, so A gets 18 steel and 2 goes to the alliance (if to be a 10% tariff).

 

or

 

Person A sells 20 steel to B at $1,200 per ton. So $24,000 total * .10, means that Person A receives $21,600 and the alliance bank gets $2,400 (again, if 10%).

Edited January 21, 2015 by TsarNicholasII

[Franz Von Dietrich]

Sound's like a great idea.

[Aleccs]

I second this idea

[Dwynn]

Well I figured that it would be a percentage, perhaps 10% (?) (or it could simply be decided by the alliance, perhaps with a maximum point - I like this idea more), of whatever bought/sold is taken from what you actually get. But this could not just disappear to anywhere, and it is imposed by alliances (looking over it, I do not see why individuals would do it), so the 10% would be taken by the alliance, into the bank.

 

i.e.

 

Person A's alliance has an embargo on B's. Person A buys 20 steel from B, so A gets 18 steel and 2 goes to the alliance (if to be a 10% tariff).

 

or

 

Person A sells 20 steel to B at $1,200 per ton. So $24,000 total * .10, means that Person A receives $21,600 and the alliance bank gets $2,400 (again, if 10%).

 

Scenario one would not be possible if the nation had an embargo in place.

 

Also, this seems to be simply a method to tax resources that aren't being created. Not only that, it does nothing to affect the offended nation/alliance (the one the tariff is against). Instead, what you're proposing is detrimental to the member of the alliance who placed the tariff.

 

Now, reversing the situation: if Alliance A has tariff against Alliance B, and member from alliance B tried to purchase, Alliance A would be directly impacting finances/taxes of alliance B if the taxed/tariffed resources went into alliance B's bank.

 

Overall, it seems like this is simply asking for an additional method to tax individual nations on an alliance level, and that just isn't necessary.

[Ace]

Its a fun idea. Certainly adds more to the political table/discussion.

[El Commander]

I like this. 

[Jarl Matt]

Let it be done.

[Don Juan]

What if alliances can set tariffs on other alliances only?

[SoS]

Read my lips...no new taxes!

[Andrew Ryan]

I think this a good new idea and would produce a new dynamic in game, so thus I support it.

[Pegleg]

     I am the Minister of Finance for an alliance. As I hold this position I see the need to have tariffs for trade. This would work the same as embargoes except that without STOPPING trade you are simply adding a tax to the price.

[Ren]

Do you want tariffs on all imports, or the ability to impose them on imports from specific nations or alliances?

[Fizban]

I merged these two threads because they are the same topic.

[Pegleg]

Do you want tariffs on all imports, or the ability to impose them on imports from specific nations or alliances?

It would be for certain nations and alliances. For Example: My alliance wants to trade with your alliance but you have a 5% tariff. I have to lose 5% of my would-be profit to your bank. The lost profits would always go to the buyers alliance bank. This would help where an alliance wants to stay neutral and doesn't want to cause problems by cutting off trade. 

[Nicholas II]

To quote myself . . .
 

i.e.
 
Person A's alliance has an embargo on B's. Person A buys 20 steel from B, so A gets 18 steel and 2 goes to the alliance (if to be a 10% tariff).
 
or
 
Person A sells 20 steel to B at $1,200 per ton. So $24,000 total * .10, means that Person A receives $21,600 and the alliance bank gets $2,400 (again, if 10%).

Edited January 31, 2015 by TsarNicholasII

[Trotsky]

Bump, I would like to see this happen