BS' lies debunked!

[Popat]

Just after BroFam declared the treaty null. Black Skies has came up with various allegations in their drama post. They will be answered and debunked in this post.

The first allegation from Alan on Brotherhood Family is 

                                                                                         "The debt was actively being paid off until TCM allowed a default of $1,473,995,250."     

This is what Alan said in the forum post. The above statement states that the payment were intended to stop by him when TCM defaulted not when SIN hit HS/BS. That means wartime was just a excuse. The real reason was to satisfy himself by throwing all the anger on BroFam. Also , He can't default on us if someone defaulted on him. TCM did not pay BS it's debt. Does this act give BS the right to not pay it's debt? TCM and BroFam are two different alliances.

 

The second allegation from Alan is 

                                                                        "Brotherhood Family violated the treaty terms and instead of looking like a bully Black Skies let it slide."

                         

 

           According to Alan , Article 3 is what has been voilated. They say that BroFam never met to discuss further issues. We could not meet if there was no discussion held at the first place. Was BroFam supposed to set up the channel? Also , If Alan cared too much about the treaty. This term was not violated by BroFam because it was not supposed to set up the discussion channel. We had to be part of it. If there was no discussion channel set up , how will we join it? The channel was supposed to be set up by TCM. Alan did not care about the treaty. If he had cared , he would have edited 'Dark Brotherhood' to 'The Coal Mines' and  not have stopped payments.  The biggest question is Did TCM consent to the term? or was it just added because our glorious dramaking Alan willed so? TCM not paying the debt which its members owe to BS is an issue between BS and TCM. BroFam and this treaty has no place there. 

                              

The third allegation by Alan is 

               No discussion was had for Brotherhood Family and Black Skies to lay out a full schedule for the debt repayments. Post war, like all "reset relations" with Black Skies, Brotherhood Family and TCM flipped us the bird and went on with their days. PK, is still managing FA and still harassing members of Black Skies.

 

The claim made by BS that BroFam did not contact BS is false.  BroFam did contact BS.

 

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Alan said the money will be paid in a one lump sum but Jupiter kept paying installments and we accepted those. There was  official discussion regarding debt repayment between BS and BroFam and BroFam was told they will receive money in one lump sum. Black Skies did not enforced their word on Jupiter to pay the money in one lump sum and we also realized that it is futile to ask Alan so we started accepting whatever Jupiter the 'Wardodger' was giving in installments. BroFam did not forced him to pay a fixed amount of money every installment and there was also no time period of installments. We just needed our money at the end of 60 days. There is also no term preventing PK from doing FA. He has the full right to conduct FA since he is the leader of the alliance. Alan has no right to impose his will over him.

 

The fourth allegation by Alan is 

                                                    Brotherhood Family's harassment of members is one of the reasons Black Skies went to full war.
This reason was not discussed in the forum post. The harassment of members was never listed as CB by BS for attacking BroFam during the war , Alan Tripped and Fell. BroFam denies any claim that it has harassed its own members and since its inception , BroFam has not been involved in any drama where it harassed its own members. Alan had nothing to point out regarding harassment so he just ignored to discuss it but still listed it to make BroFam look bad.

 

The fifth allegation by Alan is 

                                           Jupiter was not a war-dodger and BroFam abused its members.

I will phrase it once again , BroFam has never abused its members and Alan has no evidence. If you have any , drop it below. Jupiter left during the war because the war was destroying his nation. If he is not a wardodger. Then , what is he?  Roquentin?

 

The sixth allegation has not been made on BroFam but on TCM

                                                                             TCM's failure to work with Brotherhood Family's FA department

According to the treaty , TCM is not supposed to work on and retrain BroFam's FA. TCM was only supposed to set up the channel but did Alan seek permission from TCM about including this term? As I said while answering the second allegation , It was only included because dramaking Alan willed so.  The responsibility  of enforcing Article 3 , Section  A is on TCM but Did TCM even sign the treaty and agreed to that clause? 

 

The sixth allegation by Alan is 

                                                         Brotherhood Family's violation of allowing members to leave willingly

No member from BroFam joined BS while the treaty was in effect. The only person to leave BroFam was Jupiter the 'Wardodger' who left mid war when the treaty had did not even come into effect. The treaty included the term that BroFam will not restrict any member from leaving for Black Skies but no one was constrained from joining any alliance.

 

The last allegation made by Alan is 

                   Brotherhood Family's death threats/harassment against members and government of Black Skies during and post war.

There has been no death threats made by BroFam. If you think something is wrong , Please contact game staff and forums and drama is not the place to solve this. Debt collection is not 'harassment'. According to Jupiter , we bullied and harassed when he was attacked for debts and wardodging during the war.

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You should focus with your war with Singularity in which you are getting rolled instead of giving Christmas gifts.

Edited December 11, 2023 by Popat
Minor correction

[JadenStar10]

3 minutes ago, Popat said:

If he is not a wardodger. Then , what is he?  Roquentin?

Comedy Gold

[L1GHT]

Bro Alan now has a friend to create drama with. Thanks to both of these alliance for keeping the community entertained. Might cause an NPOLT lvl drama.

[Sorra Himguard]

Best of luck, Popat! ❤️

[Kastor]

Look, we don’t need a new thread every day just post a response in the 2 threads we already have.

[L1GHT]

44 minutes ago, JadenStar10 said:

Comedy Gold

Can agree probably the best thing written in the entire post.

[Popat]

6 minutes ago, L1GHTSHOT said:

Bro Alan now has a friend to create drama with. Thanks to both of these alliance for keeping the community entertained. Might cause an NPOLT lvl drama.

We never created Drama. We declared the treaty null. What next? He made a whole post making false allegations. We will not tolerate those false allegations and have countered them.

 

2 minutes ago, Kastor said:

Look, we don’t need a new thread every day just post a response in the 2 threads we already have.

You are right but the content was large so I made a new post. I will keep your suggestion in my mind for the future. Thanks!

[Mr_Mickey]

1 hour ago, Popat said:

We never created Drama. We declared the treaty null. What next? He made a whole post making false allegations. We will not tolerate those false allegations and have countered them.

 

You are right but the content was large so I made a new post. I will keep your suggestion in my mind for the future. Thanks!

Calling bull. I originally went to dark brotherhood. Got ignored there applied to Black skies. DIDNT get accepted till after the war. So therefore you will need to learn the facts, and tell pk to change attitude.

Edited December 11, 2023 by Jupiter Jones

[Velyni Vas]

*In my Jim Ross voice*
 

BAH GAWD KING! HE HIT HIM WITH A CLOTHESLINE!”

[JadenStar10]

19 minutes ago, Jupiter Jones said:

Calling bull. I originally went to dark brotherhood. Got ignored there applied to Black skies. DIDNT get accepted till after the war. So therefore you will need to learn the facts, and tell pk to change attitude.

Leaving in the middle of a war still constitutes being a war dodger, irregardless of if you got accepted after the wars end.

[Chad]

16 minutes ago, Velyni Vas said:

*In my Jim Ross voice*
 

BAH GAWD KING! HE HIT HIM WITH A CLOTHESLINE!”

*In Jerry the King Lawler Voice* 
OH MY BUT DID YOU SEE THOSE PUP... I mean screenshots.

[Mac]

"O.M.G. He hit him with the chair!"

[Mr_Mickey]

31 minutes ago, JadenStar10 said:

Leaving in the middle of a war still constitutes being a war dodger, irregardless of if you got accepted after the wars end.

But you expect someone who is playing for 2 years to know such term? That's just sad.

1 hour ago, Popat said:

We never created Drama. We declared the treaty null. What next? He made a whole post making false allegations. We will not tolerate those false allegations and have countered them.

 

You are right but the content was large so I made a new post. I will keep your suggestion in my mind for the future. Thanks!

Oh yea, I defeated you once before and now I look forward on beating you again in war.

[iAlrea]

11 minutes ago, Jupiter Jones said:

But you expect someone who is playing for 2 years to know such term? That's just sad.

Actually, I would.

[Mr_Mickey]

14 minutes ago, iAlrea said:

Actually, I would.

Would what?

[Kiingcat]

2 hours ago, Jupiter Jones said:

Would what?

Now you're just playing dumb man, you know what he means, you just can't accept it.

[Themonia]

9 hours ago, Kastor said:

Look, we don’t need a new thread every day just post a response in the 2 threads we already have.

Forum users when there is content on the forums 😨

Ignore the topic if you don't want to read it, in every one of posts by both Alan and Popat there have been too much content for a post reply.

[JadenStar10]

7 hours ago, Jupiter Jones said:

But you expect someone who is playing for 2 years to know such term? That's just sad.

What? Yes, you should know this, ESPECIALLY if you've been playing for 2 years. Basic common sense.

[Zei-Sakura Alsainn]

1 hour ago, Themonia said:

Forum users when there is content on the forums 😨

Ignore the topic if you don't want to read it, in every one of posts by both Alan and Popat there have been too much content for a post reply.

They literally haven't been, but what do we know, we've only been around for 5+ years each, versus your...

 

Six months.

 

Yeah.

Well, I for one remember when bigger rebuttals than this weren't their own forum topics. But that doesn't work for people grandstanding for attention to be knighted as the shiniest of turds.

[Mr_Mickey]

49 minutes ago, JadenStar10 said:

What? Yes, you should know this, ESPECIALLY if you've been playing for 2 years. Basic common sense.

Well if someone had told me (before) when they had the chance to this whole fiasco wouldn't happen.

[Themonia]

2 hours ago, Zei-Sakura Alsainn said:

They literally haven't been, but what do we know, we've only been around for 5+ years each, versus your...

I was referring to the content within this event. Hope your 5+ years of experience can show you to escape Rose soon.

[Popat]

2 hours ago, Jupiter Jones said:

Well if someone had told me (before) when they had the chance to this whole fiasco wouldn't happen.

Do you remember the time when I told  you that you have to be with us in distress and that your nation could be destroyed but the damage will be temporary?

[Dream]

14 minutes ago, Themonia said:

I was referring to the content within this event. Hope your 5+ years of experience can show you to escape Rose soon

Well it took you a couple weeks to get kicked out. Maybe you could teach us your ways?

[George Clooney]

10 hours ago, Jupiter Jones said:

But you expect someone who is playing for 2 years to know such term? That's just sad.

For the younglings out there, because I know that long time players tend to just assume that everyone knows the Unwritten Rules of Orbis (tm), when you are considering applying to an alliance, ask what their departure policy is up front.  Some will insist on the repayment of loans before you leave (and grants if you leave before you've been a member for a minimum number of days), some will pursue you as a deserter and attack your nation if you leave mid-war.  You can avoid a whole lot of grief. 

[Themonia]

25 minutes ago, Dream said:

Well it took you a couple weeks to get kicked out. Maybe you could teach us your ways?

Be eager to learn and demonstrate that you can use at least a handful of braincells as a new player. As this is apparently an entirely new concept to Rose, get kicked out under suspicions of reroll and spying. Spying = unironically being Inst, by the way, a rumor started by Minesome that I assume was a joke, because it was literally just "you also have a cat pfp and talk a lot for a new player."