End of capitalism

[Unclaimed]

On 8/16/2023 at 8:51 PM, dopes said:

The Earth has been far hotter than it is now in the past. Global warming is just a natural cycle. Granted we may have slightly effected it but it's still normal

ok fine, it is a natural cycle, but if manmade emissions keep going at the pace it is rn, the earth will essentially become a burning hell, remember: we are the dominant species of this planet, it is our job to take care of it.

On 8/15/2023 at 4:40 AM, Razu said:

Yea, if some oligarchs with enough capital won't do something to stop global warming we all will die in 7~ years.

we probably wont die to global warming, if we go extinct in the next 7 years, its going to be a nuclear war, not global warming.

[Winston Gray]

On 8/21/2023 at 10:49 AM, Unclaimed said:

ok fine, it is a natural cycle, but if manmade emissions keep going at the pace it is rn, the earth will essentially become a burning hell, remember: we are the dominant species of this planet, it is our job to take care of it.

we probably wont die to global warming, if we go extinct in the next 7 years, its going to be a nuclear war, not global warming.

The Earth will not become a burning hell, there isn’t any substantial evidence to back that up.

[Dopes]

The only burning hell I see in my future is when I sit on the toilet after eating spicy food.

[Unclaimed]

On 8/22/2023 at 6:31 PM, Winston Gray said:

The Earth will not become a burning hell, there isn’t any substantial evidence to back that up.

it may not seem like a burning hell, but remember, we have ac and stuff, the central us had a heatwave last week with heat indexes going as high as 120*F (~49*C), some cities roads are getting up to 110*F(~43*C) on a normal summer day (84*F(~29*C)). My source for this: LINK (Skip ahead to 5:03 if you are only interested in the actual source, the whole video is 10 min long.)

On 8/23/2023 at 11:16 PM, Dopes said:

The only burning hell I see in my future is when I sit on the toilet after eating spicy food.

ok that's actually quite funny lol. but have you been outside during the central us heatwave at 3-4 pm?

[Raphael]

I think the question is irrelevant, as we're already moving away from capitalism. The world is transitioning away from business acumen, competition, freedom of choice, and other hallmarks of capitalistic society - we've been moving away from that for almost 100 years at this point but it's been slow, now we're seeing an acceleration due to a combination of factors such as service-based economics and AI.

Homes, for the majority, won't be owned. You won't be able to afford to buy, and your inheritance (if you have one) will be taxed to the point where you can't keep the property.

Choice will be (realistically already is for many) reduced to maybe 2-3 options at most, but most will experience a de facto monopoly - See: Walmart, Amazon.

Competition has been and will continue to be crushed by virtue of offshore slave-labor in developing countries.

 

etc. The world economic forum already highlighted the plan. "You will own nothing, and be happy" the entire world is going into a subscription-based / rent-based model for everything.

 

We will be Neo-Serfs, paying our lords a yearly tax to live in their world. This is written dramatically for flair, but generally speaking this is how I see things going.

Edited September 2, 2023 by Roberts

[Unclaimed]

1 hour ago, Roberts said:

I think the question is irrelevant, as we're already moving away from capitalism. The world is transitioning away from business acumen, competition, freedom of choice, and other hallmarks of capitalistic society - we've been moving away from that for almost 100 years at this point but it's been slow, now we're seeing an acceleration due to a combination of factors such as service-based economics and AI.

Homes, for the majority, won't be owned. You won't be able to afford to buy, and your inheritance (if you have one) will be taxed to the point where you can't keep the property.

Choice will be (realistically already is for many) reduced to maybe 2-3 options at most, but most will experience a de facto monopoly - See: Walmart, Amazon.

Competition has been and will continue to be crushed by virtue of offshore slave-labor in developing countries.

 

etc. The world economic forum already highlighted the plan. "You will own nothing, and be happy" the entire world is going into a subscription-based / rent-based model for everything.

 

We will be Neo-Serfs, paying our lords a yearly tax to live in their world. This is written dramatically for flair, but generally speaking this is how I see things going.

Exactly, that is why we need a socialist revolution right now, so the world does not get depressing for 99.9% of us

[Winston Gray]

41 minutes ago, Unclaimed said:

Exactly, that is why we need a socialist revolution right now, so the world does not get depressing for 99.9% of us

Or we could get rid of the world economic forum.

2 hours ago, Unclaimed said:

it may not seem like a burning hell, but remember, we have ac and stuff, the central us had a heatwave last week with heat indexes going as high as 120*F (~49*C), some cities roads are getting up to 110*F(~43*C) on a normal summer day (84*F(~29*C)). My source for this: LINK (Skip ahead to 5:03 if you are only interested in the actual source, the whole video is 10 min long.)

ok that's actually quite funny lol. but have you been outside during the central us heatwave at 3-4 pm?

The roads are obviously going to be hotter, have you ever tried walking barefoot in the street when this happens? Also I actually live in the Midwest and yes it’s hot but it’s always like this at this time of year.

[Unclaimed]

2 hours ago, Winston Gray said:

The roads are obviously going to be hotter, have you ever tried walking barefoot in the street when this happens? Also I actually live in the Midwest and yes it’s hot but it’s always like this at this time of year.

Heat indexes of 110*F are not normal. this is what I got from a google search for Iowa's normal weather: the temperature typically varies from 17°F to 86°F and is rarely below -3°F or above 95°F. The high and low for the 24th of august was 100*F/77*F, this is obviously not normal. For reference, the averages i saw were 84*F/60*F. it might be slightly off but you get my point.

Another reference, last year, the highs and lows for the same day were 84*F/59*F

[Thalmor]

On 8/4/2023 at 4:21 PM, Unclaimed said:

I think capitalism should end, here's why:

    1. Pollution, Capitalists have polluted rivers, streams and the air, they will not stop any time soon if nothing changes.

    2. Inequality, some people can barely afford food, some have massive 4 course meals for themselves, and some are somewhere in the middle, this is just one example of inequality.

    3. Not Democratic, yes, the state might be democratic, but the management of companies is not. workers do not get a say in company policies, sometimes workers are fired without reason. (this video has more detail)

    4. Only for-profit, Why did Steve Jobs create the iPhone? money. Why isn't the Covid-19 vaccine available to all? money. lives would be saved if there was no money involved. (this video has more detail, Watch this one too if you want)

that is why I think capitalism should end.

 

1. The Soviet Union is directly responsible for the Aral Sea drying up most of the way. Rural China (which is very capitalist today, but has that legacy of communism), today, is very polluted due to their industry. Communist countries are no better stewards of the environment than liberal states.

2. Both the Soviet Union and China had periods of mass starvation. Towards the end, the USSR had largely-empty supermarkets. Nobody in the western world really starves to death today. Perhaps some people skip meals, or are otherwise caloric or nutritionally deficit, but they're no worse off than people in Hungary or Poland half a century ago. 

3. Who cares? You know how stupid some people are? There's a reason why people start businesses and keep them for years, and why some people can never reach that point. You don't let the 5'4" guy into the NBA.

4. Profit incentives motivate people to create and innovate. There's a reason why American, European, and Chinese companies dominate the globe. I don't see Cuban or North Korean companies anywhere. 

Btw how 8th grade going?

[Unclaimed]

14 hours ago, Thalmor said:

 

1. The Soviet Union is directly responsible for the Aral Sea drying up most of the way. Rural China (which is very capitalist today, but has that legacy of communism), today, is very polluted due to their industry. Communist countries are no better stewards of the environment than liberal states.

2. Both the Soviet Union and China had periods of mass starvation. Towards the end, the USSR had largely-empty supermarkets. Nobody in the western world really starves to death today. Perhaps some people skip meals, or are otherwise caloric or nutritionally deficit, but they're no worse off than people in Hungary or Poland half a century ago. 

3. Who cares? You know how stupid some people are? There's a reason why people start businesses and keep them for years, and why some people can never reach that point. You don't let the 5'4" guy into the NBA.

4. Profit incentives motivate people to create and innovate. There's a reason why American, European, and Chinese companies dominate the globe. I don't see Cuban or North Korean companies anywhere. 

Btw how 8th grade going?

1. That was a dumb mistake by the soviet union, socialists want to stop or at least slow down pollution.

2. yea those were also dumb mistakes socialists want to avoid.

3. There is a difference between the nba than the "free" market, the nba is made up of teams that dont exploit the common man, capitalism is made up of companies, only a select few will dominate the world in the future, that exploit the common man, no big business wants to pay their employees fairly, people in big cities need 3 jobs just to meet basic needs.

4. if there was no profit incentive, people would still innovate, because there are some people that are bored thinking, "hey what if i made this thing that could potentially save lives?" if we shortened the work day to 4-5 hours people would innovate a lot more.

i already did this argument with Winston Grey.

I'm in 7th rn, but good

[Gudea]

There is a world of difference between Communism and Socialism.

They are not the same. Nor are Capitalism and Fascism.

Fascism and Communism are both at the extremities of Right and Left wing political thinking respectively.

Each member of a ruling extremist party is focused on one thing, and one thing ONLY: Staying in power at ANY and ALL costs. What you refer to as "mistakes" made by the USSR weren't "mistakes". They didn't care about anything but staying in power.

Pay no mind to what they say, but watch what they do. Talk is cheap. See George Orwell's 1984, or Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

Research how the modern Chinese Communist Party operates. It's easy. There's plenty on YT about it, including CCP propaganda, as well as the usual dupes and schills.

And always keep in mind what I said about extremists and power.

[Spukey]

On 9/3/2023 at 5:11 AM, Unclaimed said:

4. if there was no profit incentive, people would still innovate, because there are some people that are bored thinking, "hey what if i made this thing that could potentially save lives?" if we shortened the work day to 4-5 hours people would innovate a lot more.

Without a profit motive, how would people decide what they should work on? Why should they work on curing cancer rather than making a machine that counts blades of grass?

[Unclaimed]

On 9/3/2023 at 11:38 AM, Gudea said:

There is a world of difference between Communism and Socialism.

They are not the same. Nor are Capitalism and Fascism.

Fascism and Communism are both at the extremities of Right and Left wing political thinking respectively.

Each member of a ruling extremist party is focused on one thing, and one thing ONLY: Staying in power at ANY and ALL costs. What you refer to as "mistakes" made by the USSR weren't "mistakes". They didn't care about anything but staying in power.

Pay no mind to what they say, but watch what they do. Talk is cheap. See George Orwell's 1984, or Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

Research how the modern Chinese Communist Party operates. It's easy. There's plenty on YT about it, including CCP propaganda, as well as the usual dupes and schills.

And always keep in mind what I said about extremists and power.

Never have i been more offended by something i 100% agree with

[Peppermint Swirl]

Capitalism in its current form is indeed extremely greedy, but that's only because of the corporations. Creating a capitalistic society without morales will lead to the definite ruin of the planet by greed. Religion in some shape or form, even though it can tend to be a corrupt structure, oftentimes acts as a safety net for those whom are impoverished.

That being said, a socialist/collectivist type society could indeed succeed if there is enough social cohesion in a particular group, it would not work on the basis of nations, the closest you can get is a Social Democracy like Norway or Sweden. 

[Unclaimed]

On 1/21/2024 at 4:13 AM, Peppermint Swirl said:

Capitalism in its current form is indeed extremely greedy, but that's only because of the corporations. Creating a capitalistic society without morales will lead to the definite ruin of the planet by greed. Religion in some shape or form, even though it can tend to be a corrupt structure, oftentimes acts as a safety net for those whom are impoverished.

That being said, a socialist/collectivist type society could indeed succeed if there is enough social cohesion in a particular group, it would not work on the basis of nations, the closest you can get is a Social Democracy like Norway or Sweden. 

4 MONTHS LATER?
anyways, no, it would work with nations, and it has before, the only thing that is keeping socialist nations from existing is capitalist nations, specifically the usa

[darkblade]

On 1/26/2024 at 10:27 AM, Unclaimed said:

4 MONTHS LATER?
anyways, no, it would work with nations, and it has before, the only thing that is keeping socialist nations from existing is capitalist nations, specifically the usa

When the Berlin Wall fell, who ran to which side?

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

The USA is not a purely capitalist society,  public schools, the police, public transportation, healthcare, those are all "socialist" policies.   Realistically the way it works right now in the USA is pretty good, capitalists drive progress, and the government tempers them when they get a little too greedy. 

The issue I think we may have is that lobbyists are in the pockets of too many politicians allowing our capitalists a little too much rope in some cases, which is why you are seeing the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

[Unclaimed]

5 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

The USA is not a purely capitalist society,  public schools, the police, public transportation, healthcare, those are all "socialist" policies.   Realistically the way it works right now in the USA is pretty good, capitalists drive progress, and the government tempers them when they get a little too greedy. 

The issue I think we may have is that lobbyists are in the pockets of too many politicians allowing our capitalists a little too much rope in some cases, which is why you are seeing the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

the reason the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer is because capitalism prioritizes profit above all else, also they are trying to privatize all of those things.

[naTia]

On 2/22/2024 at 12:03 PM, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

The USA is not a purely capitalist society,  public schools, the police, public transportation, healthcare, those are all "socialist" policies.   Realistically the way it works right now in the USA is pretty good, capitalists drive progress, and the government tempers them when they get a little too greedy. 

The issue I think we may have is that lobbyists are in the pockets of too many politicians allowing our capitalists a little too much rope in some cases, which is why you are seeing the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

As you allude to in the second section some of the parameters need to get tweaked in the US sure. Lobbying in politics is a huge one. Another big one for me is privatization of media without proper oversight. And a big part of this comes from our advertising culture which promotes a synergistic relationship between advertisers and outlets that can reach the largest proportion of people with expendable income. In the 20th century, readership numbers stopped being as important once advertising revenue won out. Over time, this led to the demise of outlets that spent their time focusing on issues related to the working class. And now in the 21st century I think we are seeing the repercussions of this as media outlets battle over two major demographics: young money founded on education and old money founded on generational wealth. And I feel that those unspoken for is the demographic becoming increasingly radicalized by populist, anti-establishment rhetoric. In this manner, this trend toward commercialization is one that is antagonistic toward maintaining a strong social fabric. There is no money to be made in it. And the resulting culture of individualism and consumerism erodes social factors that might otherwise mitigate the effects of income inequality. But you don't need to burn the whole system to the ground to change this, you just need to reign these issues in.