Fascism

[Benito Mussolini]

I'm on this forum for one hour and I'm already getting hate. Why? Because everyone thinks Fascism is N@zism. FASCISM IS A FORM OF AUTHORITARIAN NATIONALISM AND CORPORTISM IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HATE. Please watch this video so you people can stop looking like fools: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-iC6BhSO3Mw

[Wilhelm IV]

Nazism is a form of fascism, merged with racism and anti Semitism. They are different things, but they still are similar in many ways.

 

You're going to get crap for that here, as a large majority of the game is of the left.

[Odin]

You know, thats like the old Skinhead isn't Neonazi debate.

Some people don't want to learn, other don't care, and others are just left-extreme, so they hate fascists naturally.

 

I can't even exactly say what i prefer, cause german politics are different then the US.

It's socialism and center-right and conservativism. if you know german politics its AfD - Alternative für Deutschland.

 

Fascism, if we let out history for a moment, is like every other system of government. It's what the leader makes out of it.

If the system is called Nationalsocialism, but foreigner are living a good live, and not a single person gets killed, then it's good or?

Or in Africa/Asia , there are a huge amount of countries called "Peoples Republic", but you know what those countrys are in reality.

 

Benito, i know your problem in the US, you have just two partys, and none of them is sth you want, and in all the US-history its just those both partys.

Thats what i call just one party away from Peoples Republic of China

Here, read that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany    , it may give you nice ideas of merging conservatism, cultural defense and democracy.

[Donald Sterling]

The n@zi part was also the national socialist party, so why shouldn't we all just go around denouncing all forms of socialism.  You know what I like that idea.  HEY EVERY SOCIALIST HERE, YOU ARE A BUNCH OF RACIST ANTI SEMITIC N@ZI'S WHO SHOULD ALL BE BURNED AT THE STAKE.  I really showed them eh.

[Hereno]

The n@zi part was also the national socialist party, so why shouldn't we all just go around denouncing all forms of socialism.  You know what I like that idea.  HEY EVERY SOCIALIST HERE, YOU ARE A BUNCH OF RACIST ANTI SEMITIC N@ZI'S WHO SHOULD ALL BE BURNED AT THE STAKE.  I really showed them eh.

 

Yeah, and Saddam Hussein was a President, therefore western democracy is rubbish.

 

0/10, your RL politics are awful

 

And yes, people know that Nazism and fascism are different things. They just know both are ridiculous social darwinism that got stamped out and are thus invalid through their own logic.

[Shellhound]

If historically your political beliefs become popular because of a leader using fear mongering and irrational hatred then usually those political beliefs are shit. And I'm not just talking about fascism, so don't get too butthurt and think I'm just talking about you.

[Ayayay]

Fascism is Revanchism and Jingoism gone haywire. While it isn't the same as the !@#$'s, it can only breed hate and lead to death and destruction. The Italians were Fascist, look what that got them.

 

Also, the National Socialist party of Germany removed all the Socialists and only the Fascists were left. It was similar to the Radical takeover of the French Revolution except quicker and far more efficient.

 

Yeah, and Saddam Hussein was a President, therefore western democracy is rubbish.

 

0/10, your RL politics are awful

He was being sarcastic.

Edited September 15, 2014 by underlordgc

[Ayayay]

Edit: stupid forum software, please delete

Edited September 15, 2014 by underlordgc

[Nobeard]

Fascism is just one of many forms of state worship.

 

It's probably the one that sucks the hardest though.

[Ayayay]

Fascism is just one of many forms of state worship.

 

It's probably the one that sucks the hardest though.

Well going by historical precedent, it your nations becomes Fascist, in a little over a decade you will have a 50% chance of ending up free or a commie.

[Seryozha Nikanor]

Well going by historical precedent, it your nations becomes Fascist, in a little over a decade you will have a 50% chance of ending up free or a commie.

Who says Communism isnt free? lol

[Wilhelm IV]

Who says Communism isnt free? lol

The markets certainly are not.

[Jerry LeRow]

 

You know, thats like the old Skinhead isn't Neonazi debate.

Some people don't want to learn, other don't care, and others are just left-extreme, so they hate fascists naturally.

 

I can't even exactly say what i prefer, cause german politics are different then the US.

It's socialism and center-right and conservativism. if you know german politics its AfD - Alternative für Deutschland.

 

Fascism, if we let out history for a moment, is like every other system of government. It's what the leader makes out of it.

If the system is called Nationalsocialism, but foreigner are living a good live, and not a single person gets killed, then it's good or?

Or in Africa/Asia , there are a huge amount of countries called "Peoples Republic", but you know what those countrys are in reality.

 

Benito, i know your problem in the US, you have just two partys, and none of them is sth you want, and in all the US-history its just those both partys.

Thats what i call just one party away from Peoples Republic of China

Here, read that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany    , it may give you nice ideas of merging conservatism, cultural defense and democracy.

 

there are not that many communist states in asia left. vietnam and china, for example, but majority is democratic, some monarchies, some juntas.

 

throughout history american parties have changed, there have been other parties too / different names and many streams within the parties, so you can't say they were the same over almost 250 years (let's ignore the fact that at the beginning there were no democrats)

 

afd is, not only in germany, known as a party of right wingers, and like all right.wing parties economically left and socially right, like fpö in austria. both mentioned parties are, sadly on the rise in europe, though that doesn't change the fact that they're pursuing stupid policies that might remind the one or another after their "original" party... hope they don't win more elections.

 

 

 

Who says Communism isnt free? lol

look to hong kong... the chinese politburo chooses the candidates the hong kong residents can vote for in 2017... not that democratic, huh?   

free markets... dunno.... keep in mind every major company is observed/controlled by the cp

 

 

 

I'm on this forum for one hour and I'm already getting hate. Why? Because everyone thinks Fascism is N@zism. FASCISM IS A FORM OF AUTHORITARIAN NATIONALISM AND CORPORTISM IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HATE. Please watch this video so you people can stop looking like fools: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-iC6BhSO3Mw

fascism, as i learned the term, means to oppress other people and force them to follow your beliefs. fascism was popular at several places in europe, whether it was the austrofascism in austria, the germans, the italians led by mussolini, or also today with the golden dawn in greece (who btw use a modified form of the swastika...)

you say it has nothing to do with hate... well, the term "authoritarian" implies that someone rules over a country because he couldn't rule with the people. that implies that there are opponents who hate him. so it has to do with hate. 

 

btw... get outta here. wth does this game attract so many right-wingers? 

[Odin]

Counterquestion: Why does this game attract so many left-wingers?

 

You can't simply say conservative-right thinking is bad. It's a matter of where you live.

If you're american, theres no such a thing as foreigners (difference is just a passport -.-). So it's easy to say.

If you're japanese there ain't much foreigners to begin with.

 

If you're english or french you totally know what im now talking about.

 

If you live in germany and you see day in day out islamic headscarfs, africans who dont talk german and just go out of the house to deal drugs or get their asylum-money.

(I talk here from eastern Germany perspective, just 10% of them really works, 90% just gets taxpayers money (mine too!!) in their worthless a$$.

I'm working in the Stadt Halle Ausländerbehörde ( City Halle Foreigners-Department), i know what im talking about, i see and work with it every day.

Then Sharia-Police who walks unhindered trough the streets and harrass people. Minority who build up their own governments inside of a country, like

"Central Council of Jews/Muslims in Germany", who swing the n@zi-whip, if germany shouldnt do as they say, and then they get their will immediatly.

Or minority lobbys of gays who talk 1 word that they feel a bit discriminated, Berlin starts buildig up genderneutral toiletthouses, the same city which has millions of debts, especiallym from the BER airport. And prioritizing foreigners with mediterranean looks into policeforces.

And you can't say a single word, or you'll end up branded as N@zi, and might even loose your job.

Or introducing the factor of "Origin" into courts, for example if someone murdered his sister, and hes arab, they count it as cultural difference, and he gets lower sentence.

This country how it is, is crazy as hell, positioning the will of minorities over the will of the majority.

The creation of the AfD was just a common reaction to that sh!t, what we atm call our government. 

Right wing partys are on a winning march in all Europe, you know why? Not cause they hate the Euro, or unemployment, the most of the voters are at least middleclass.

No, its cause the government tops Euro-idealism above national reality, forcing multiculti everywhere, and you begin to think you don't even ned vacations for turkey being just 2km into the next city district. The question is: "Why don't the foreigners(not the tourists ofc) come even to germany, if they don't want to assimilate. They choose this country out of 193 on this Planet and above their own, where they come from". Answer: €€€, you get in Germany cash for doing nothing, im not lying. I know its the problem of our government that they introduced that, but thats what im talking about.

 

We don't need fascist partys, or nationalist something, but more less we need those political pseudo-goodwill hyper-corrects, who destroys with their homogenization of mankind what we call as cultures, or cultural diversity.

What we need is logic and sanity, and no tipps how Europe is better off without rights, from people who aren't even living there, especially americans, who dont take in refugees or even bother giving them money for nothing...

 

The Euro-zone is the best what could have happened sind it provides peace and i can with the money i got drive to nearly every country without bordercontrol.

Thats historically awesome. But they never should think about removing the borders, for i am German before European, not just European!*

And everyone who has forgotten his origins or wants to forget them is just a poor fool.

 

*before start pseudointellect bullcrap "Germany is on europe so you're automatically european, haha, trololo" , i mean i would rather choose no EURO-zone before a single EUROPE-country

Edited September 15, 2014 by Wilhelm II

[Jerry LeRow]

 

Counterquestion: Why does this game attract so many left-wingers?

 

You can't simply say conservative-right thinking is bad. It's a matter of where you live.

If you're american, theres no such a thing as foreigners (difference is just a passport -.-). So it's easy to say.

If you're japanese there ain't much foreigners to begin with.

 

If you're english or french you totally know what im now talking about.

 

If you live in germany and you see day in day out islamic headscarfs, africans who dont talk german and just go out of the house to deal drugs or get their asylum-money.

(I talk here from eastern Germany perspective, just 10% of them really works, 90% just gets taxpayers money (mine too!!) in their worthless a$$.

I'm working in the Stadt Halle Ausländerbehörde ( City Halle Foreigners-Department), i know what im talking about, i see and work with it every day.

Then Sharia-Police who walks unhindered trough the streets and harrass people. Minority who build up their own governments inside of a country, like

"Central Council of Jews/Muslims in Germany", who swing the n@zi-whip, if germany shouldnt do as they say, and then they get their will immediatly.

Or minority lobbys of gays who talk 1 word that they feel a bit discriminated, Berlin starts buildig up genderneutral toiletthouses, the same city which has millions of debts, especiallym from the BER airport. And prioritizing foreigners with mediterranean looks into policeforces.

And you can't say a single word, or you'll end up branded as N@zi, and might even loose your job.

Or introducing the factor of "Origin" into courts, for example if someone murdered his sister, and hes arab, they count it as cultural difference, and he gets lower sentence.

This country how it is, is crazy as hell, positioning the will of minorities over the will of the majority.

The creation of the AfD was just a common reaction to that sh!t, what we atm call our government. 

Right wing partys are on a winning march in all Europe, you know why? Not cause they hate the Euro, or unemployment, the most of the voters are at least middleclass.

No, its cause the government tops Euro-idealism above national reality, forcing multiculti everywhere, and you begin to think you don't even ned vacations for turkey being just 2km into the next city district. The question is: "Why don't the foreigners(not the tourists ofc) come even to germany, if they don't want to assimilate. They choose this country out of 193 on this Planet and above their own, where they come from". Answer: €€€, you get in Germany cash for doing nothing, im not lying. I know its the problem of our government that they introduced that, but thats what im talking about.

 

We don't need fascist partys, or nationalist something, but more less we need those political pseudo-goodwill hyper-corrects, who destroys with their homogenization of mankind what we call as cultures, or cultural diversity.

What we need is logic and sanity, and no tipps how Europe is better off without rights, from people who aren't even living there, especially americans, who dont take in refugees or even bother giving them money for nothing...

 

The Euro-zone is the best what could have happened sind it provides peace and i can with the money i got drive to nearly every country without bordercontrol.

Thats historically awesome. But they never should think about removing the borders, for i am German before European, not just European!*

And everyone who has forgotten his origins or wants to forget them is just a poor fool.

 

*before start pseudointellect bullcrap "Germany is on europe so you're automatically european, haha, trololo" , i mean i would rather choose no EURO-zone before a single EUROPE-country

the problem of immigrants who abuse the social security system and barely even care about integrating themselves into the community is a problem not only germany has (greetings from austria). however, this only aims at a very small percentage of bad examples who are then used for negative campaigns by the right wing parties. those right wing parties don't talk about the nuclear physics professor from CEE, they won't mention the guy with a PhD in economics from arabia, they won't mention the translator from southern europe who speaks 4 languages fluently. 

 

but merkel now wants to take on a harder course regarding the minor amount of abusers. and let's not kid ourselves, there are plenty of such people in every country, if you'd work at the arbeitsamt (job office) you'd know what i'm talking about. 

 

america never had bad times with "multiculti", it always did and still does well with the millions of immigrants living there and immigrating now. new york has little italy, or chinatown, san francisco has its chinese districts, and i'm pretty sure houston has a mexican district too, or LA a hispanic area. it's normal that immigrants bring a piece of their culture, and turks e.g. brought us the kipferl, the coffee, hungarians the gulasch, asians the spicy food, ..., so what's wrong with it? when germans emigrate to america there are entire websites about german communities where the germans celebrate oktoberfests and have a biergarten, they only talk german and do exactly the same thing which you're condemning the immigrants in germany for.

 

if europe wouldn't have exploited the african resources for centuries and enslaved the people and now let them starve to death we probably wouldn't have to increase our border patrol. it's time for us to give them something back of what we stole, and not, like spain with its enclaves in northern africa, build another row of nato-fence... or like in the mediterranean sea where we let them drown...

 

and berlin airport... even wowereit concluded that they should have included average workers into the planning process.. that's just politicians. at least you use it. austria built a nuclear power plant and, after the construction was finished, they asked the people who ultimately said "no" to nuclear power.

 

i gotta say this persistent rise of socially right parties in europe is one of the things that makes me realize that europe won't be able to return to much better days. and to answer your counterquestion: i'm socially left, economical right, so somewhere between democrats and republicans; a centrist. left-wingers are ok, i'd rather deal with them than with guys like... well, some here in this topic... 

[George W. Bush]

the problem of immigrants who abuse the social security system and barely even care about integrating themselves into the community is a problem not only germany has (greetings from austria). however, this only aims at a very small percentage of bad examples who are then used for negative campaigns by the right wing parties. those right wing parties don't talk about the nuclear physics professor from CEE, they won't mention the guy with a PhD in economics from arabia, they won't mention the translator from southern europe who speaks 4 languages fluently. 

 

but merkel now wants to take on a harder course regarding the minor amount of abusers. and let's not kid ourselves, there are plenty of such people in every country, if you'd work at the arbeitsamt (job office) you'd know what i'm talking about. 

 

america never had bad times with "multiculti", it always did and still does well with the millions of immigrants living there and immigrating now. new york has little italy, or chinatown, san francisco has its chinese districts, and i'm pretty sure houston has a mexican district too, or LA a hispanic area. it's normal that immigrants bring a piece of their culture, and turks e.g. brought us the kipferl, the coffee, hungarians the gulasch, asians the spicy food, ..., so what's wrong with it? when germans emigrate to america there are entire websites about german communities where the germans celebrate oktoberfests and have a biergarten, they only talk german and do exactly the same thing which you're condemning the immigrants in germany for.

 

if europe wouldn't have exploited the african resources for centuries and enslaved the people and now let them starve to death we probably wouldn't have to increase our border patrol. it's time for us to give them something back of what we stole, and not, like spain with its enclaves in northern africa, build another row of nato-fence... or like in the mediterranean sea where we let them drown...

 

and berlin airport... even wowereit concluded that they should have included average workers into the planning process.. that's just politicians. at least you use it. austria built a nuclear power plant and, after the construction was finished, they asked the people who ultimately said "no" to nuclear power.

 

i gotta say this persistent rise of socially right parties in europe is one of the things that makes me realize that europe won't be able to return to much better days. and to answer your counterquestion: i'm socially left, economical right, so somewhere between democrats and republicans; a centrist. left-wingers are ok, i'd rather deal with them than with guys like... well, some here in this topic... 

>comparing Germany to America

I don't personally live in Germany, so I don't want to say much. However, Germany for the past couple of millennium, excluding the last couple of decades, was built on German nationalism. Therefore, from a non-German perspective, I feel that Germany should remain a nation-state. Germany and America were founded on EXTREMELY different principles. Up until the last couple of decades, all of Germany's progress was from ethnic Germans, without the need for immigrants. In fact, Germany doesn't really need immigrants as it is. Since you justified your argument with the US, the US started out as a colonial nation. From it's onset, America was a nation of immigrants, and during the industrial revolution, the US took in immigrants to catalyze it's progress.  But these two nations ARE ENTIRELY different, hereby nullifying your argument that Germany should take on some of the cultural influence of it's immigrants. It should be the other way around entirely.

[Alex]

Well, this is an interesting debate, but like all things, it's time for it to come to an end. I apologize if you feel that you did not get a chance to get your point accross and that I'm cutting off your debate, but it's just chance that I found this thread when I did. Please let this discussion be, or find a different medium to have it (not on the forums or in-game, please).

 

Thanks.