Grillick Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Prove it. (The part of Shellhound being wrong, not analysts saying that.) I didn't say he(she?) was wrong. I said the purported support for his (her?) conclusion was erroneous. You always accuse me if saying things I don't say. I'll try to be more clear in future. Quote "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I'll place my bet on past studies rather than future guesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seryozha Nikanor Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Require medical info and crime records. Simple and done. If a person has a mental condition just dont sell them the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Require medical info and crime records. Simple and done. If a person has a mental condition just dont sell them the gun. I have a mental disorder and own a gun. Haven't shot anyone yet either... Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Haven't shot anyone yet either... brb, moving to a cabin in the woods to escape death. Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 brb, moving to a cabin in the woods to escape death.Don't worry. Here's my schedule:Church and free time: Sat-Sun, 10am-9pm EST. Mass Murder: Sat-Sun, 9pm-11pm EST. Chillin with hookers and blow: Mon-Fri, 10am-10pm EST. 1 Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy BushMan Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Killing, practicing killing, threatening to kill, threatening to kill, threatening to kill, threatening to kill, collecting, pretending to kill, collecting, practicing to kill. Yeah, you've definitely pointed out a variety of purposes guns have other than to kill. And don't get me started on the First Amendment. You think you're strengthening your case by comparing to it, but you really aren't. Wow you really suck at this.The only one of those that is actually about primarily is hunting, and people do that for two major reasons, sport and food. No one in sports shooting is "practicing to kill" they are showing off their talent at a sport they enjoy. Private, home and comerical security are about protection not killing killing is an unfortunate outcome because there is currently not a method that is as effective. Farmland security is more about protecting the crops and animals from varmits and wild animals without the use of poisons that would harm/affect the crops/animals. movies would still pretend to kill even without them at least they have authinticity, and recreational shooting is something to do, damn near 99% of people who go to a range to practice killing are cops and military. sure some people have the thought that they could but people have those thoughts regardless of the situation. Quote Glory to the divine bush for he protects. When evil flies over head in his bombers, he will not see targets, only bushes. When his army of darkness comes to harm you, they shall get lost in the endless bush. The bush loves you, as you love the bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Wow you really suck at this.The only one of those that is actually about primarily is hunting, and people do that for two major reasons, sport and food. No one in sports shooting is "practicing to kill" they are showing off their talent at a sport they enjoy. Private, home and comerical security are about protection not killing killing is an unfortunate outcome because there is currently not a method that is as effective. Farmland security is more about protecting the crops and animals from varmits and wild animals without the use of poisons that would harm/affect the crops/animals. movies would still pretend to kill even without them at least they have authinticity, and recreational shooting is something to do, damn near 99% of people who go to a range to practice killing are cops and military. sure some people have the thought that they could but people have those thoughts regardless of the situation.I hunt for food.Hunting for sport is sickening. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 A gun's primary purpose is to kill. Whether the target is human or animal does not remove that fact. Using a gun to defend property is only effective because a gun's primary purpose is to kill, thus deterring would be property thieves. "Sport" shooting us nothing more than simulated killing. Someone showing off his talent at it is merely showing off his talent at shooting a gun, whose primary purpose, once again, is to kill. When one hunts for food, is it your contention that s/he is not killing? Quote "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 A gun's primary purpose is to kill. Whether the target is human or animal does not remove that fact. Using a gun to defend property is only effective because a gun's primary purpose is to kill, thus deterring would be property thieves. "Sport" shooting us nothing more than simulated killing. Someone showing off his talent at it is merely showing off his talent at shooting a gun, whose primary purpose, once again, is to kill. When one hunts for food, is it your contention that s/he is not killing? Well yes. Its impossible to survive and not kill.Hunting for food serves a productive purpose. Hunting for sport is just stupid. Its like how rednecks drive around in lifted trucks. Clearly compensating for something. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 A gun's primary purpose is to kill.Sorry for being a bit completely off topic, but... A microwave's original purpose was to help kill, and they still help to kill. (Save space on warships) A GPS's original purpose was to help kill, and they still help to kill. Duct tape's original purpose was to help kill, and they still help to kill. (Seal ammo containers in WWII) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy BushMan Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I hunt for food. Hunting for sport is sickening. Honestly I agree. Personally I'd never go hunting unless I needed to but some people do it. A gun's primary purpose is to kill. Whether the target is human or animal does not remove that fact. Using a gun to defend property is only effective because a gun's primary purpose is to kill, thus deterring would be property thieves. "Sport" shooting us nothing more than simulated killing. Someone showing off his talent at it is merely showing off his talent at shooting a gun, whose primary purpose, once again, is to kill. When one hunts for food, is it your contention that s/he is not killing? And thus deterring the would be thieves is defense without killing. Again you're wrong. There is no "simulated killing" a sport shooter spends the majority of their time shooting at paper circles and metal circles with the objective of hitting them as quickly as possible or as accurate as possible. Again the only range shooting (even sport) intended to simulate killing is police and military training courses. When one hunts for food they are killing for food, a nessesary component to life. Hell when my youngest uncle (who just turned 40 recently) was in college, to offset the cost of food he went hunting. He cleaned and froze the meat and says it was a huge factor in keeping him in college 2 Quote Glory to the divine bush for he protects. When evil flies over head in his bombers, he will not see targets, only bushes. When his army of darkness comes to harm you, they shall get lost in the endless bush. The bush loves you, as you love the bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Sorry for being a bit completely off topic, but... A microwave's original purpose was to help kill, and they still help to kill. (Save space on warships) A GPS's original purpose was to help kill, and they still help to kill. Duct tape's original purpose was to help kill, and they still help to kill. (Seal ammo containers in WWII) Speaking about an item's original use is not the same thing as its primary purpose. A microwave's primary purpose is to heat its contents. A GPS device's primary purpose is to locate its holder. Duct tape's primary purpose is as an adhesive. As for Bushman, he obviously completely misunderstands my point. Whether this is deliberate, a result of my lack of clarity, or a result of his mental acuity is uncertain. But he still hasn't provided evidence that a gun's primary purpose is not to kill. Quote "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Speaking about an item's original use is not the same thing as its primary purpose. A microwave's primary purpose is to heat its contents. A GPS device's primary purpose is to locate its holder. Duct tape's primary purpose is as an adhesive.My new life goal: Make a weapon out of a GPS, microwave, duct tape, and a jeep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I'd support 2nd Amendment-style legislation here in the UK. Not because I'm some sort of insane tea party Republican, but because it'd be handy to have the workers armed already for when the revolution comes. 1 Quote "We, in Africa, have no more need of being 'converted' to socialism than we have of being 'taught' democracy. Both are rooted in our past -- in the traditional society which produced us." - Julius Nyerere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Marx Posted August 26, 2014 Author Share Posted August 26, 2014 "Past performance does not indicate future success [or failure]." - Every analyst ever. Yeah, that's why there's no real reason for someone living in Tornado Alley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado_Alley) to prepare for a tornado. There's also no need to practice earthquake safety in Japan, or to by an umbrella in the UK. Brilliant set of cliches: "My 2 cents", "a few nut jobs", "EVERY hard working American", "bunch of bleeding hearts". Keep it coming. Somehow, you managed to make a post with less substance than the one you were replying to. Yeah, you've definitely pointed out a variety of purposes guns have other than to kill. But he still hasn't provided evidence that a gun's primary purpose is not to kill. First, you seem to have said that a gun's only purpose is to kill. But now, you're only saying that killing is its primary purpose. I'm going to assume this is a mistake, and that you're not holding two contradictory opinions. For the sake of future arguments, which assertion should we be trying to disprove? or a result of his mental acuity "Heh heh, good one" is how I might respond to that if I was twelve. But who knows, maybe I'm just retarded as well. Obviously everyone who disagrees with you is. 1 Quote "Your 'order' is built on sand. Tomorrow the revolution will already 'raise itself with a rattle' and announce with fanfare, to your terror: I was, I am, I will be!" - Rosa Luxemburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Who thinks it's a good idea to teach 9-year-olds how to use an Uzi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) Yeah, that's why there's no real reason for someone living in Tornado Alley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado_Alley) to prepare for a tornado. There's also no need to practice earthquake safety in Japan, or to by an umbrella in the UK.The fact that there have been numerous tornadoes every year over the past century at least is not why we know that tornadoes in the area are likely to continue to occur. We know they are likely to continue to occur because the underlying forces that create them still persist in the area. The same is true for earthquakes in Japan. It is an error in logic to say "There have been lots of earthquakes in Japan, so we should prepare for earthquakes in Japan." This is doubly true when we know the underlying cause of earthquakes, but it remains true for things the underlying causes of which are clouded or uncertain (such as the fall of civilizations). First, you seem to have said that a gun's only purpose is to kill. But now, you're only saying that killing is its primary purpose. I'm going to assume this is a mistake, and that you're not holding two contradictory opinions. For the sake of future arguments, which assertion should we be trying to disprove?Firstly, these are not contradictory opinions. One is merely somewhat broader than the other. To be clear, my stance remains that the former is more correct, and that nothing anyone has said to the contrary disputes that. The fact that a person may wish to collect guns does not indicate that a gun's purpose is to be collectible. Disprove the former or the latter, if you think you can. But I don't think you can. "Heh heh, good one" is how I might respond to that if I was twelve. But who knows, maybe I'm just retarded as well. Obviously everyone who disagrees with you is.For what it's worth, I'm quite sure that one of the first two, rather than the third, reasons Bushman missed my point is the main culprit. I have long had what others perceive as a lack of clarity due to inadequate elaboration. I assume that everything that is self-evident to me is self-evident to everyone, so I tend to skip logical steps when explaining myself. (Edit to finish my paragraph) Edited August 30, 2014 by Grillick Quote "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Who thinks it's a good idea to teach 9-year-olds how to use an Uzi? o/ I don't see why not. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Marx Posted August 29, 2014 Author Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) o/ I don't see why not. You may not know what he's referring to a specific incident. I didn't when I first read it. Pretty bad idea, by the way. Edited August 29, 2014 by Karl Marx Quote "Your 'order' is built on sand. Tomorrow the revolution will already 'raise itself with a rattle' and announce with fanfare, to your terror: I was, I am, I will be!" - Rosa Luxemburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Who thinks it's a good idea to teach 9-year-olds how to use an Uzi? Teach, yes. Shoot, only if it was only a single shot. I wouldn't trust myself with an uzi at that age. By that time, I was cleaning shotguns every week and shooting .22s. Damn, I wouldn't even trust myself with an uzi now. They shouldn't be banned, but I have to agree that 9 is young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 You may not know what he's referring to a specific incident. I didn't when I first read it. Pretty bad idea, by the way. I know exactly what he's referring to. Watching the video, the girl seems like she has no experience with guns. That's your problem. I've seen kids her age who can shoot an AK on full auto no problem. Teaching your kids to shoot, and letting them shoot fancy illegal machine guns is one thing, but they probably shouldn't start with an Uzi. The media is trying to turn this into another case of "guns kill people" but the fact remains that "people kill people." 2 Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 The media is trying to turn this into another case of "guns kill people" but the fact remains that "people kill people."She would have been unable to kill him without a full-auto uzi in her hands. Anyways, a 9 year old can shoot a Uzi but it is illegal for me to own a fully functional Abrams? I just want one, that's it. And maybe a Bradley as well. A F-22 would be nice too. Also a Predator Drone. I can't have any of those but that child is allowed to kill someone? Where's the justice? Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 ... The media is trying to turn this into another case of "guns kill people" but the fact remains that "people kill people." "The fact remains", eh? She must be one dangerous 9-year-old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 She would have been unable to kill him without a full-auto uzi in her hands.Anyways, a 9 year old can shoot a Uzi but it is illegal for me to own a fully functional Abrams? I just want one, that's it. And maybe a Bradley as well. A F-22 would be nice too. Also a Predator Drone. I can't have any of those but that child is allowed to kill someone? Where's the justice?She could have killed him with countless things. A knife, a bat, a hand grenade, an atom bomb, you name it.It just happened to be an Uzi in this case. She's holding the gun wrong and so is he. Having his face right in the way was pretty stupid too. This is just an example of unsafe gun handling. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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