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Why Trump Will Not Be President in 2018

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Some have come to doubt the great Caecus and believe the false prophet, the inferior Roz. For those of you who can't wrap your head around how Trump will ever leave office, here is my reasoning behind the "crazy bet:"

There are a couple of ways for Trump to leave office. The most obvious is impeachment, so let's unpack that first. Many people (rightfully) say that impeachment begins in the legislative branch, which is controlled by Trump's political party, the Republicans. It would be insane to think that anyone would bring charges of impeachment against their own party leader, let alone vote for it. But is it insane? Because the Republicans in Congress don't particularly like Trump, that's obvious when they try to defend him, and they haven't at some times. Republicans in congress are ducking their heads, trying to avoid eye contact while appearing to support the president. Moreover, they don't like this Russian cloud that hangs over the president. One only needs to see how many GOP senators have publicly abandoned him when he tried to pass the healthcare bill to see boiling frustrations. It doesn't help that Trump is erratic, uncontrollably stupid and incompetent at home and abroad who has threatened to support their opponents in primaries if they don't do what he says. The GOP is tired of having to answer to Trump's bullshit. 

But does tired mean they are ready to impeach him? No, that's only one factor, and if it were based on the level of GOP patience, he would already be removed from office. But there are other factors to consider too. For example, the fact that Pence is actually sane, and knows what the hell he's doing. GOP senators can work with Pence on passing a conservative agenda without garnering the attention of the media every second of the day. Why not impeach an incompetent dumbass in favor of someone who they've actually worked with and doesn't get his dick stuck in the media cycle all day? Because, 36%. 

36% is the percentage of Trump supporters who honestly don't care if Trump is a dumbass, or if Trump took money from Russia, or if Trump shat on the desk of the oval office. They just like Trump! Who can blame them? He screams fake news, has about the same level of class and dignity as his supporters, and is (no sarcasm here) REALLY, REALLY entertaining. Republicans are afraid that, since they are already this far up Trump's ass, this 36% is the only thing that will keep them in office in 2018. It's an understandable move, and it's relatively safe in light of the fact that Trump has grabbed pus and still polled at 47% of white female suburbanites to become president of these United States. [Btw, I love how Billy Bush tried to toss Trump under the bus, but it was he who now (presumably) has to live in a 4x4 cardboard box labelsasdfasdfed "The Shame Chamber"]. Thus, Trump will remain in office so long as that 36% doesn't get lower. 

Under what circumstance would Trump start to lose support? I mean, this is the man who has insulted a veteran's family, who claims he can fix Washington but is now under federal investigation, and still has 36%! If Trump started to have every salute him with a raised arm and had Bannon start to burn Jewish babies, that 36% would still be there! It's next to impossible for Trump to drop below that figure. Unless something happens with the economy. 

The American economy, historically speaking, has a major recession every 30-40 years and a minor dip every 10-15. This, of course, largely depends on geopolitics, policies, and economic productivity, but has largely held up in the (rather) brief 250 year history of the US. The last economic hit was in 2007, 2008 when the housing market collapsed. Regardless of how entertaining Trump is, when people feel the real effects of an economic downturn and it affects their standard of living, it starts to become really serious. I'm banking (lol) on the fact that if there is an economic downturn, Trump won't be able to fix it (because he's Trump) and will be blamed for it. How, then, might the American economic take a hit?

Roubini, nicknamed "Dr. Doom" after predicting the crash of 2008, comes to the same conclusion that Trump is incompetent and threatens the world economy. That incompetency is going to (has already) destabilize the Far East, rattle the strategic security alliances in Europe, and sow further chaos in the Middle East. This, combined with the fact that the American economy has been growing a while under Obama without any hiked interest rates or regulations to curb overspeculation at home, leads me to put the bet that within Trump's presidency (Nay, within a year of Trump's presidency), the economy is going to fail. My guess, it's all in the debt and that title loan car bullshit, and this cheeto isn't going to know what he's doing. 

 

 

 

 

Or I could go the short answer and tell you that anyone who is over 70, weighs more than 270 pounds, sleeps less than 4 hours a night, eats a shit ton of KFC and icecream like he's still a teenager, and is responsible for peace and order in the free world is going to stroke out at any minute. Either way, my bet for Trump not being president in a year isn't as far-fetched as some people might think it is. 

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16 hours ago, Caecus said:

There are a couple of ways for Trump to leave office. The most obvious is impeachment, so let's unpack that first. Many people (rightfully) say that impeachment begins in the legislative branch, which is controlled by Trump's political party, the Republicans. It would be insane to think that anyone would bring charges of impeachment against their own party leader, let alone vote for it. But is it insane? Because the Republicans in Congress don't particularly like Trump, that's obvious when they try to defend him, and they haven't at some times. Republicans in congress are ducking their heads, trying to avoid eye contact while appearing to support the president. Moreover, they don't like this Russian cloud that hangs over the president. One only needs to see how many GOP senators have publicly abandoned him when he tried to pass the healthcare bill to see boiling frustrations. It doesn't help that Trump is erratic, uncontrollably stupid and incompetent at home and abroad who has threatened to support their opponents in primaries if they don't do what he says. The GOP is tired of having to answer to Trump's bullshit. 

They can dislike him but they won't kick him because is the candidate that gave them the victory when polls were in favour of Hillary. And he has some strong support among the people that vote him (as you said after, this 36%), maybe not all who voted him but some really like him so they won't risk to lose that votes kicking him. In another election if they lose a big amount of this 36% they would lose the election.

16 hours ago, Caecus said:

The American economy, historically speaking, has a major recession every 30-40 years and a minor dip every 10-15. This, of course, largely depends on geopolitics, policies, and economic productivity, but has largely held up in the (rather) brief 250 year history of the US. The last economic hit was in 2007, 2008 when the housing market collapsed. Regardless of how entertaining Trump is, when people feel the real effects of an economic downturn and it affects their standard of living, it starts to become really serious. I'm banking (lol) on the fact that if there is an economic downturn, Trump won't be able to fix it (because he's Trump) and will be blamed for it. How, then, might the American economic take a hit?

Roubini, nicknamed "Dr. Doom" after predicting the crash of 2008, comes to the same conclusion that Trump is incompetent and threatens the world economy. That incompetency is going to (has already) destabilize the Far East, rattle the strategic security alliances in Europe, and sow further chaos in the Middle East. This, combined with the fact that the American economy has been growing a while under Obama without any hiked interest rates or regulations to curb overspeculation at home, leads me to put the bet that within Trump's presidency (Nay, within a year of Trump's presidency), the economy is going to fail. My guess, it's all in the debt and that title loan car bullshit, and this cheeto isn't going to know what he's doing. 

American economy is already really bad. You have 105,61% of GDP of public debt (that increased a lot during Obama legislature), in percentage is one of the countries with highest debt of the world. You have a deindustrialized country not only because the less costs in underdeveloped country, also because of free trade agreements with countries with countries with less costs like Mexico, DR-CAFTA, etc. This means that you have a tertiary economy, like most developed countries, but even worse because of stupid free trades agreements. That caused a huge deindustrialisation in rust belt that gave the victory to Trump. In this states, previously democrats, Trump won them all because Obama promised to solve this situation but instead of that he made more agreements expanding the DR-CAFTA with more underdeveloped countries. Instead Trump has started to become more protective with economy, telling some companies that if they don't come back to USA to invest he would put high taxes to them. That happened with Toyota that after they said that they would invest in Mexico (to export USA but producing in Mexico, that means that profits stay in Mexico) Trump said that he would put high taxes making their products less profitable to sell in USA. Inmediately Toyota announced to cancel the invest in Mexico and announced and investment of at least 10.000 milion dollars in Detroit, helping to recover some of the industry. 

 

Also about Middle East he isn't destabilizing. Instead he is doing the opposite. He announced to stop giving guns and training Syrian rebels, most of them actually yihaddists and Islamic terrorists. He announced to support Qatar in his approach to Iran, making less powerful the Sauds that are giving guns and money to ISIS. Not like Obama that did REALLY bad in Far East like in Libya (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/12/barack-obama-says-libya-was-worst-mistake-of-his-presidency), Syria (http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2014/10/13/tsr-dnt-todd-isis-video-recruits.cnn/video/playlists/isis-reign-of-terror-new/) were ISIS have tends of the US army, (http://www.globalresearch.ca/where-does-isis-get-all-those-tanks-weapons-and-shiny-new-toyota-trucks/5490040) or like Hillary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYKD_Qjhcwg). And a lot more examples. I'm not a Trump supporter but you can criticize him with real facts, not need to lie. About the economy the whole world is going to explode. We all have huge debts, lower productivity, terciary economy... And purchasing power of citizens is decreasing every time while profits of companies increase. Trump isn't going to leave or be kicked in 2018 because at least in economy stuff he is doing it better than Obama at the moment and also in foreign affairs. I don't know the social policies if he has done much but there's not a social conflict situation in USA to make leave Trump. Obviously you are in a really bad situation in economy but that has been there for a lot of time. In 2009 for example 44% of homeless were employed, meaning that wages are shit; lots of people under poverty or that can't have access to healthcare, housing...

 

 

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5 hours ago, Parryx said:

They can dislike him but they won't kick him because is the candidate that gave them the victory when polls were in favour of Hillary. And he has some strong support among the people that vote him (as you said after, this 36%), maybe not all who voted him but some really like him so they won't risk to lose that votes kicking him. In another election if they lose a big amount of this 36% they would lose the election. It hardly matters if he's removed from office.

American economy is already really bad. You have 105,61% of GDP of public debt (that increased a lot during Obama legislature) Obama had no legislature. Most of the recent debt spiking was due to Republicans cutting taxes and increasing spending to cover the two wars Bush left Obama, in percentage is one of the countries with highest debt of the world. Most of our debt is owned by us; that which isn't won't be a problem since current interest rates make us money, it gets smaller everyday with inflation and unless a foreign power wants to trigger a global depression they're going to work with the US to avoid it. You have a deindustrialized country not only because the less costs in underdeveloped country, also because of free trade agreements with countries with countries with less costs like Mexico, DR-CAFTA, etc. This means that you have a tertiary economy, like most developed countries, but even worse because of stupid free trades agreements. That caused a huge deindustrialisation in rust belt that gave the victory to Trump. In this states, previously democrats, Trump won them all because Obama promised to solve this situation but instead of that he made more agreements expanding the DR-CAFTA with more underdeveloped countries. Instead Trump has started to become more protective with economy, telling some companies that if they don't come back to USA to invest he would put high taxes to them Why would they come back for higher taxes?. That happened with Toyota that after they said that they would invest in Mexico (to export USA but producing in Mexico, that means that profits stay in Mexico) Trump said that he would put high taxes making their products less profitable to sell in USA. Inmediately Toyota announced to cancel the invest in Mexico and announced and investment of at least 10.000 milion dollars in Detroit, helping to recover some of the industry. If this is true it's mentioned absolutely nowhere. There's no reason for it to be done. 

 

Also about Middle East he isn't destabilizing. Instead he is doing the opposite. He announced to stop giving guns and training Syrian rebels, most of them actually yihaddists and Islamic terrorists.No they're not. The ones we fund are just people rebelling from a dictator. He announced to support Qatar in his approach to Iran, making less powerful the Sauds that are giving guns and money to ISIS. Not like Obama that did REALLY bad in Far East like in Libya (Obama did very little with Libya. You may be thinking of NATO, but even then assistance was minimal).  (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/12/barack-obama-says-libya-was-worst-mistake-of-his-presidency), Syria (http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2014/10/13/tsr-dnt-todd-isis-video-recruits.cnn/video/playlists/isis-reign-of-terror-new/) were ISIS have tends of the US army, (http://www.globalresearch.ca/where-does-isis-get-all-those-tanks-weapons-and-shiny-new-toyota-trucks/5490040) or like Hillary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYKD_Qjhcwg). And a lot more examples. I'm not a Trump supporter but you can criticize him with real facts, not need to lie. About the economy the whole world is going to explode. We all have huge debts, lower productivity, terciary economy.That's easy to manage with UBI.. And purchasing power of citizens is decreasing every time while profits of companies increase. Trump isn't going to leave or be kicked in 2018 because at least in economy stuff he is doing it better than Obama at the moment and also in foreign affairs Trump is absolutely horrendous in dealing with other countries. Obama and HRC were great. What's Trump done for foreign relations that's good? Threaten to extort money from Mexico? Continue letting Russia attack Eastern Ukraine? Threatening NATO? Physically shoving other heads of government out of the way at NATO meetings?. I don't know the social policies if he has done much but there's not a social conflict situation in USA to make leave Trump. Obviously you are in a really bad situation in economy but that has been there for a lot of time. In 2009 for example 44% of homeless were employed, meaning that wages are shit; lots of people under poverty or that can't have access to healthcare, housing...Yeah, we had a thing that fixed the latter, but the GOP removed it in favor of much more expensive socialist medical policy. Our economy's fine, despite Trump's efforts and very few actually actually seem to like or support him in either party.

 

 

 

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1. About debt: Even during Bush legislature the debt wasn't to pay wars. It mostly was to pay interest of past debts. Now happens the same, you need to get more debt to pay the interest of past debts making it every time bigger. And Obama is big fault about that. http://www.datosmacro.com/deuda/usa Check in "Evolución deuda sobre el PIB". The graph shows that Obama started with 73% and left with more than 105%.

2. Sorry if you don't understand me because of bad english. I meant: Trump said that if they don't come back some of the investment (Toyota announced more investment in Mexico) he would increase the taxes on the importation of their products, making them reduce the competitiveness compared to same products of other companies. That was why Toyota came back and other companies with more investment. The news about that is: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/09/toyota-announced-10-billion-u-s-investment-days-after-trump-warns-company.html. They started with an investment of 1.3b http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/10/toyota-announces-record-investment-in-kentucky-plant.html in Kentucky and they said will increase it to 10b in 5 years. If you don't like Fox News also look here: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-autoshow-toyota-idUSKBN14T1NN or BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38550492. It's real and it's something of common sense, Toyota would lose a lot of profit in US if this happened. 

3. About Middle Eastern. Assad hold an election and there were international witnesses so it was completely legal. Ok, even so you can say he is a dictator and that he committed war crimes. But the oposition isn't democratic oposition. As happened before in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan... the oposition are radical islamic groups because Assad can be really bad but leads a laic state and has pursued all yihaddist terrorists and is currently fighting ISIS. There is some small group that can be pro-west but they are a minority as happened in Iraq, Libya... Most of the groups are actual radical islamic like Al-Nusra (the Al-Qaeda group of Syria), etc. That's why the border between territory of the rebels and ISIS didn't move. There are no fights, no soldiers... If you make a research you will find out that all the christian communities in Syria give their support to Assad just because in the oposition side they murder them. They cut their head. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/us-support-for-al-qaeda-l_b_10089410.html. And please, you just didn't mention all the stuff that made Hillary. He even recognized they created ISIS. And don't minimize Obama's actions in Middle Eastern that caused a lot of damage.

4. About agreements. Obama did really bad with agreements. As I said previously he accepted free trade agreements with underdeveloped countries. Imagine that US makes a free trade agreement, not a single border tax, with China. What would happen? China has really competitive products, the cost of production is ridiculous compared to developed countries with higher wages. Most industry will close, the productive sector of the country would disappear and, at the end, people will have no money to spend because nothing would be produced in the country. Free trade agreements with countries with less cost production than yours will lead to deindustrialization, it's something that students learn in 1st of Economy. Obama, as I said, made free trade agreements with underdeveloped countries like the DR-CAFTA agreement that he expanded to more underdeveloped countries. Until now Trump hasn't made any trade agreement so you can't say it's bad on that. 

5. About foreign relations. I think you don't understand the Ukraine-Russia conflict. The Russian Soviet Federation, during USSR, gave Crimea to the Ukraine Federation because they didn't have a big port so they have better sea contact. All the east of Ukraine is mainly russian because like 80% are russian ethnic citizens, so when Ukraine entered in conflict with Russia obviously they supported Russia. And Russia isn't attacking Ukraine, if it did so EU and US would respond this attacks as they said. Russia is backing the rebels in the east countries (Novorossiya) with guns and money, as EU and US is doing in Ukraine. Also all the countries of Novorossiya made a referendum to decide if they wanted to become independent and they won. In fact Ukraine economy (west ukraine) has come to collapse because of the EU dues of production. I know about that because in Spain we also suffered that. In Ukraine has been devastating because the main production was of the primary sector and EU limited all this production. 

 

"Our economy's fine"? Are you kidding? You have the biggest debt of the world, you can't pay it, you have to increase the debt every time to pay the interests in a non-stop cycle. You have lot of poverty and social inequality. Really?

 

PS: I'm not Trump supporter but neither supporter of Obama/Hillary. I've never understood why you criticize him with fake facts, I mean, he has done really bad things and you don't criticize that, you just make up things or criticize him for stuff that past president or the other candidate did even worse. 

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3 hours ago, Parryx said:

1. About debt: Even during Bush legislature the debt wasn't to pay wars. (Including the $500b extra each year on top of the DoD's normal allotment? Those were literally to pay for the wars).  It mostly was to pay interest of past debts. Now happens the same, you need to get more debt to pay the interest of past debts making it every time bigger. And Obama is big fault about that. http://www.datosmacro.com/deuda/usa Check in "Evolución deuda sobre el PIB". The graph shows that Obama started with 73% and left with more than 105%. It cost a lot to prevent the Great Recession Bush gifted to Obama just as he was being inaurguated, especially since Clinton left him with an actually balanced budget. And Bush's two wars still had to be funded until they could be scaled out.

2. Sorry if you don't understand me because of bad english. I meant: Trump said that if they don't come back some of the investment (Toyota announced more investment in Mexico) he would increase the taxes on the importation of their products, making them reduce the competitiveness compared to same products of other companies. Toyota responded before Trump took office in 2013 that they were planning on upgrading some of their American plants. The amount they're investing is trivial and if they didn't want to do that I'm sure the Japanese government would have mirrored US policy into domestic Japanese policy, effectively harming the US economy. That was why Toyota came back and other companies with more investment. Trump wasn't in office when any of this happened. The news about that is: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/09/toyota-announced-10-billion-u-s-investment-days-after-trump-warns-company.html. They started with an investment of 1.3b http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/10/toyota-announces-record-investment-in-kentucky-plant.html in Kentucky and they said will increase it to 10b in 5 years. If you don't like Fox News also look here: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-autoshow-toyota-idUSKBN14T1NN or BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38550492. It's real and it's something of common sense, Toyota would lose a lot of profit in US if this happened. A trade war wouldn't last and like I said Toyota decided to do this in 2013, under Obama. Trump wasn't even considered a potential presidential candidate at that point, let alone any representative of the US government.

3. About Middle Eastern. Assad hold an election and there were international witnesses so it was completely legal. A lot of dictators do that. Ok, even so you can say he is a dictator and that he committed war crimes. But the oposition isn't democratic oposition. Who said it was? As happened before in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan... the opposition are radical islamic groups Uh, the Iraqi government is not radical, Libya's government is not radical, Afghanistan is going to return to the way they were before with the Talinban moving back in. because Assad can be really bad but leads a laic state and has pursued all yihaddist terrorists and is currently fighting ISIS. There is some small group (It's not small) that can be pro-west but they are a minority as happened in Iraq, ISIS began in Iraq in 2003 as a side effect of DeBaathization, effectively removing both the jobs lost and alienating them so much further that they gave up and tried something else. Libya... Most of the groups are actual radical islamic like Al-Nusra (the Al-Qaeda group of Syria), etc. That's why the border between territory of the rebels and ISIS didn't move. There are no fights, no soldiers... If you make a research you will find out that all the christian communities in Syria give their support to Assad just because in the oposition side they murder them (That's what Assad did, why would they fear a return to those habits? He's also used WMDs which are war crimes).. They cut their head. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/us-support-for-al-qaeda-l_b_10089410.html. And please, you just didn't mention all the stuff that made Hillary. He (Who?) even recognized they created ISIS. And don't minimize Obama's actions in Middle Eastern that caused a lot of damage. Like finally getting Osama, which was the stated reason for the Afghan war?

4. About agreements. Obama did really bad with agreements. As I said previously he accepted free trade agreements with underdeveloped countries. Imagine that US makes a free trade agreement, not a single border tax, with China. What would happen? China has really competitive products, the cost of production is ridiculous compared to developed countries with higher wages. Most industry will close, the productive sector of the country would disappear and, at the end, people will have no money to spend because nothing would be produced in the country. Free trade agreements with countries with less cost production than yours will lead to deindustrialization, it's something that students learn in 1st of Economy. Obama, as I said, made free trade agreements with underdeveloped countries like the DR-CAFTA agreement that he expanded to more underdeveloped countries. Until now Trump hasn't made any trade agreement so you can't say it's bad on that. Obama did quite well, IMO.

5. About foreign relations. I think you don't understand the Ukraine-Russia conflict (I'm pretty sure it's you who isn't geting it). The Russian Soviet Federation, during USSR, gave Crimea to the Ukraine Federation (Ukraine was an SSR and wouldn't need to be given ownership of any specific territory because the central government is Moscow ultimately controlled things.  because they didn't have a big port so they have better sea contact. All the east of Ukraine is mainly russian because like 80% are russian ethnic citizens (Which makes no difference.), so when Ukraine entered in conflict with Russia obviously they supported Russia. (Ukraine didn't attack ethnic Russians, it changed leaders and Russians and those of Russian descent began the war as a result of a change in presidents) The Ukraine didn't go to war until Russia began fighting and  And Russia isn't attacking Ukraine,(Yes, it is. It's seized sovereign territory belonging to Ukraine and is deploying more advanced military units to the Russian army already beginning the fighting).  if it did so EU and US would respond this attacks as they said (Why would they do that?). Russia is backing the rebels in the east countries (Novorossiya) with guns and money, as EU and US is doing in Ukraine. Also all the countries of Novorossiya made a referendum to decide if they wanted to become independent and they won (Yes, in a plebescite held during armed occupation against the fascist dictator of Russia It's of no value or use).. Hardly. In fact Ukraine economy (west ukraine) has come to collapse because of the EU dues of production (It's possible the MASSIVE WAR AGAINST A SUPERPOWER had a bit to do with where Ukraine's economy has been going.). I know about that because in Spain we also suffered that. In Ukraine has been devastating because the main production was of the primary sector and EU limited all this production. 

 

"Our economy's fine"? Are you kidding? You have the biggest debt of the world, you can't pay it, you have to increase the debt every time to pay the interests in a non-stop cycle. You have lot of poverty and social inequality. Really? Yes, we do. No, we can't. Most countries have a lot of poverty and social inequality. We simply don't need to pay the debt off. Many countries keep debts for decades before bothering to pay off certain ones owed. The UK only recently finished paying its debt from the Crimean War. Our current debt is under control, continually undergoing inflation to make it cheaper and cheaper and is actively making the US money with current interest rates.

 

PS: I'm not Trump supporter but neither supporter of Obama/Hillary. I've never understood why you criticize him with fake facts, I mean, he has done really bad things and you don't criticize that, you just make up things or criticize him for stuff that past president or the other candidate did even worse. Those hat criticize him don't use fake facts. He's done and is doing so much there's no need to use fake anything.

 

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3 hours ago, Caecus said:

I love how no one refutes my claim that Trump is dumb as shit. 

cos it's not worth arguing. You either believe he's as dumb as dogshit or he's playing 4D chess, really that simple.

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1. About debt: You can argue one thing or another but Obama did nothing to solve the situation of this debt-cycle, he just continued it, making it bigger.

2. Toyota announced the 10b investment in 9 January 2017, after Trump won the election and all knew that he was going to rule. He said that so all the companies thought that was going to be real so they announced investment in USA. Toyota is one of the examples but if you continue to make protective trade policies more companies will return because you are the main saling market of this companies.

3. About Middle Eastern. I don't get your point. If I have to choose between ISIS and Assad my choice is clear. You can argue that Assad is bad an sure it is but also Syria was the country more similar to west. No islamization of the state, public structures like healthcare, education... etc. Before Islamic states same was with Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan. Libya was the country with the highest HDI of Africa; check about Saur's revolution in Afghanistan that tried to deislamize the society giving women's rights, improved education and healthcare... and same happens with Iraq. After coming in the talibans or other islamic groups now people just run away from that countries. So, why should be good for Syria to give support to islamic rebels? The group of non-islamic rebels is small because the main fighters of the FSA is mainly fighters that come from Pakistan and other countries to give support to islamic groups. Non-islamic rebels are mainly syrian because they were educated in a laic state and a view of society more close to west but they are a minority in FSA and other groups.

4. Obama did really bad. As I said he made free trade agreements with underdeveloped countries making companies go there to produce. I don't get how this is doing good. Instead he should try to make a free trade agreement with EU that would be beneficial for USA because in EU cost production is higher and we are a good market to sell (we've got more purchasing power than underdeveloped countries). And he tried this with TTIP but it failed. So, the only thing that had to do for benefit it failed and he did other bad things as I said about DR-CAFTA

5. Foreign relations. It wasn't all controlled from Moscow. In fact USSR was quite decentralized, they even had like a "Senate" were the different SSR were representated. Russia gave this territory to Ukraine because they wanted a better sea contact so if they claim to recover it is legitimated. They didn't change the presidents, they made a coup, they quit the last president (chosen by election) and banned other opposition parties (as the Communist Party, for example). Then they made an election which was caracterized by non participation of the east (they became independent) and with irregularities so the president it's not legitimated. EU said that if Russia attacked Ukraine or participated in the war they would attack because they say the conflict needs to be resolved only by Ukraine. That's why I say Russia isn't attacking directly, he is giving guns to Novorissya. Hey, I don't know were are you from but I'm sure not from EU. The problem with agriculture and primary sector in Ukraine is huge because of the EU cuotes. I  don't think you know that because in Spain we suffered A LOT because that. When you try to enter to EU you have to enter to the free-trade market so every country has their own objectives. The main countries that already are in the EU try to apply the lowest cuotes of production to the new ones in order that they can't produce a lot and they just import from the EU making the old EU countries increase exports. In primary sector (mostly agriculture) the ones who rule there are mainly France, Germany and UK. When Spain entered to the EU we had to close most of the farms because they gave us really low cuotes of production (France is huge in that sector) and the same happened with Ukraine. The difference of Ukraine is that has no industry, construction or turism like we had here. Ukraine is mostly agricultural, that why it was called to be the barn of eastern europe. When they put the cuotes of production the economy collapsed. There is a good documentary about that, I remember that an owner of a chicken farm said that he had to close his business after that. The cuote of production for chicken for the WHOLE Ukraine that EU gave them it was just the 5% of his production before enter the EU. Also they lost their main trade partner, Russia. So it's not about war, that also, it's more about cuotes of production and losing exportations to Russia. And bro, you say that Putin is fascist, that I agree, but Ukraine government is even more fascist. I just remind you that some of the members of the Government are from a Nazi Party. Literally, a NAZI Party. Svodoba. This party is literally Nazi. They have pictures of Stephan Bandera, who just made genocide to jews and polish people and gave support to Hitler during II WW. Their symbol is the symbol of a collaboracionist group during Hitler's ocuppation. I just say that after the coup and that president left the country jews associations said that agressions to jew (mainly stabbing) increased a lot. Ministers and members from the Government that are from Svodoba: Andrei Parubiy (National Security and Defense, he founded the Nationalsocialist Party of Ukraine before being in Svodoba, in fact Svodoba absorbed the SNPU), Dimitri Yarosh (also Security and Defense, member of Pravi Sektor, another nazi party that, affter the Maidan success closed a Union office with all the sindicalists inside and burn it all, killing more than 50 people burned alive), Alexander Sych (First Attached Minister, Svodoba), Igor Tenyuk (Minister of Defense, Svodoba), Serguei Kvit (Minister of Education, Svodoba), Andrei Mojnyk (Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources, Svodoba), Igor Chvaika (Minister of Agriculture and Alimentation, Svodoba), Dimitri Bulatov (Minister of Youth and Sports, member of UNA-UNSO, political group that is more like a paramillitary group), Oleg Maknistky (Attorney General, Svodoba), Tatiana Chornovol (President of the National Comission of Anti-corruption, UNA-UNSO). Lot of people close to me and my family has suffered a lot because of that, they were left-wing sindicalists. Socialists, etc. and they were punched and beaten by members of the political party that has a great influence in the government (because they pacted with the Poroshenko group). Now Ukraine is turning nazi every time. There are pictures of Stepan Bandera in the streets, a mass murderer that allied with Hitler so yeah, I obviously have fear of a Nazi country in EU. And Jews associations said that stabbings and murder of jews are increasing a lot. If you check the parlamentary groups of the Rada in Ukraine (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rada_Suprema) you will see that. All left parties (izquierda in spanish) are banned, you will see that there are only right (derecha) and center (centro) parties because all the rest were literally BANNED, like Hitler did during the "elections" that he won. So both countries, Ukraine and Russia are ruled by fascists, with the difference that Svodoba, Pravi Sektor and UNA-UNSO are publically NAZIS.

 

And yeah, as I said more things like criticize him because of trade agreements (at the moment he has done it good), or making protective laws to try to bring more industry to the country is good. You can criticize other stuff like all his reactionary stuff. 

I love how no one refutes my claim that Trump is dumb as shit. 

That isn't refutable because is a subjective opinion. What I did is refute all your other argumentation that can be refuted easily. I understand that you don't like Trump but next time choose a good candidate to fight him, not somebody like Hillary. I think that maybe Bernie could have done it better.

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This is just wishful thinking.

The fundamental truth is Republicans aren't stupid.  Even among those who hate Trump, they would rather keep him in office to preserve the party's unified image.

The alternative is the American people believing the party doesn't have self-confidence which is what the party's getting elected according to right now.  It doesn't matter if Trump and his followers are stupid.  What matters is people are convinced by strong leadership right now.  

This is common sense though.  Liberals enabled it to happen from their multi-decade if not multi-generational bane against principled idealism.  If you don't support abstract principles, then those who can brutalize their way to the top will get in power.

Besides, everyone who's actually followed Trump knows he's been a liberal Democrat for the past 30 years.  His campaign this season was just telling people what they want to hear so he could get what he wants out of them.  

I didn't vote for the guy.  I don't like the guy.  That said, I'm not caught up in fantasy utopia lalaland.  The best shot of him being impeached will be if the Democrats take over Congress.  Is there a considerable shot of the mid-term elections going that way?  Yes, but before that point, there's no shot at all.

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something something trump something russia something something twoscoops

Exactly how long are you guys going to keep up with this Trump gunna get impeached crap?

I don't see republicans burning down cities and trashing up sidewalks during the obama presidency while screaming impeach obama.

But when a republican president comes to power, now everyone's screaming not my president and virtue signalling about it on twitter. And proceed to burn down their cities while at it.

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3 hours ago, Parryx said:

That isn't refutable because is a subjective opinion. What I did is refute all your other argumentation that can be refuted easily. I understand that you don't like Trump but next time choose a good candidate to fight him, not somebody like Hillary. I think that maybe Bernie could have done it better.

So, you don't think he's dumb as shit, is that what you are trying to tell me? Because that's a pretty objective reality, he's dumb as shit. Anyone in his family with a Y chromosome is dumb as shit. 

 

8 hours ago, Gabranth said:

cos it's not worth arguing. You either believe he's as dumb as dogshit or he's playing 4D chess, really that simple.

Who here believes Trump is playing 4D chess and isn't the dumb piece of shit who can't get a bill [that objectively sticks a large poll up the asses of everyone who voted for him] passed?

 

1 hour ago, Dubayoo said:

This is just wishful thinking.

The fundamental truth is Republicans aren't stupid.  Even among those who hate Trump, they would rather keep him in office to preserve the party's unified image.

The alternative is the American people believing the party doesn't have self-confidence which is what the party's getting elected according to right now.  It doesn't matter if Trump and his followers are stupid.  What matters is people are convinced by strong leadership right now.  

This is common sense though.  Liberals enabled it to happen from their multi-decade if not multi-generational bane against principled idealism.  If you don't support abstract principles, then those who can brutalize their way to the top will get in power.

Besides, everyone who's actually followed Trump knows he's been a liberal Democrat for the past 30 years.  His campaign this season was just telling people what they want to hear so he could get what he wants out of them.  

I didn't vote for the guy.  I don't like the guy.  That said, I'm not caught up in fantasy utopia lalaland.  The best shot of him being impeached will be if the Democrats take over Congress.  Is there a considerable shot of the mid-term elections going that way?  Yes, but before that point, there's no shot at all.

You literally read nothing I wrote, lol. There is nothing to refute here. 

 

2 hours ago, Lightning said:

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Wait a second, Trump never did release his tax returns. Or his financials. If he did, he would presumably be in jail. This is one of the dumbest things you have posted, and I'm counting the one time where you pretended to know when to use an apostrophe. An apostrophe, mind you, that you used wrong, despite being an easily googleable fact. 

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11 minutes ago, Caecus said:

So, you don't think he's dumb as shit, is that what you are trying to tell me? Because that's a pretty objective reality, he's dumb as shit. Anyone in his family with a Y chromosome is dumb as shit. 

Obviously he is not dumb. He won an election while all polls gave victory to Hillary. He said what was smart to say to gain votes (protective laws to the unemployed in the rust belt, talking about what Hillary said that they created ISIS, bad foreign affairs policy of Obama...). He won when all polls were against him because he was smarter than Hillary. That's obvious. He is shit and is a bad person but that doesn't mean he is stupid.

PS: In fact, thinking that he is dumb, that he is stupid is just underestimating your opponent. That is dumb

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2 minutes ago, Fukataka said:

something something trump something russia something something twoscoops

Exactly how long are you guys going to keep up with this Trump gunna get impeached crap?

I don't see republicans burning down cities and trashing up sidewalks during the obama presidency while screaming impeach obama.

But when a republican president comes to power, now everyone's screaming not my president and virtue signalling about it on twitter. And proceed to burn down their cities while at it.

Because Obama had class and didn't tweet every dumbshit thought he had. Because Obama actually completed his sentences. Because Republicans can only disagree with Obama's policies, not his character and his competence. 

I don't know how any of you guys could look at Trump and think to yourselves that this is a normal president. How his actions, the things he says, are worthy of his office. I don't like Trump's policies [primarily because he's a populist with the fiscal responsibility of Democrats and the Wall Street ball-licking tax policy of Republicans], but that's not my beef with him. My beef is that he is a disgrace to the office. If he was a democrat, I would still be here saying he is a dumbshit. If he was an independent, I would still be here saying he is a dumbshit. His political affiliation is entirely irrelevant to the fact that is he a dumbshit unworthy of his office. 

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6 minutes ago, Caecus said:

Because Obama had class and didn't tweet every dumbshit thought he had. Because Obama actually completed his sentences. Because Republicans can only disagree with Obama's policies, not his character and his competence. 

I don't know how any of you guys could look at Trump and think to yourselves that this is a normal president. How his actions, the things he says, are worthy of his office. I don't like Trump's policies [primarily because he's a populist with the fiscal responsibility of Democrats and the Wall Street ball-licking tax policy of Republicans], but that's not my beef with him. My beef is that he is a disgrace to the office. If he was a democrat, I would still be here saying he is a dumbshit. If he was an independent, I would still be here saying he is a dumbshit. His political affiliation is entirely irrelevant to the fact that is he a dumbshit unworthy of his office. 

I don't care if somebody has class or not. When I choose a president (I am not from US and I wouldn't vote for Trump/Hillary) I choose him because of his policies. Not for his class or physical appearance. Trump's policies (what he has done for now) has been quite better than Obama's. Obama was the president that deported more people, even more than Bush. That's a fact. He made free trade agreements with under-developed countries making deindustrialization even worse. He didn't do anything about he said of helping illegals or reducing poverty. He increased the military spending and increase a lot the debt. He bombed countries that he shouldnt have bombed in Middle Eastern and contributed to it's destabilization. Trump at least has started to do some protective policies that will help, he said that he wanted to recover the Glass-Steagall law, that would be something great for USA. The Glass-Steagall law would have minimized the effects of the crisis, that's why it was made after 1929 crisis but it was removed in 1999. Also Bernie Sanders wanted to recover this law, but not Hillary. Also he said that wants less intervention in foreign wars, that would be also good for USA, you have more than 105% of debt and it's increasing every time.

I understand that you dislike Trump's manners but for now he has done it better than Obama in policies (he hasn't build the wall or strenghten the immigrant rules but he has done some good policies, so at the moment is good). The bad thing he did is about healthcare. I understand that you hate him, I also do, but saying that he is dumb isn't something smart because you underestimate your opponents. If I had to support one of the candidates I probably would supported Sanders, it's the most close to european socialdemocracy but I don't like him neither.

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Just now, Caecus said:

Because Obama had class and didn't tweet every dumbshit thought he had. Because Obama actually completed his sentences. Because Republicans can only disagree with Obama's policies, not his character and his competence. 

I don't know how any of you guys could look at Trump and think to yourselves that this is a normal president. How his actions, the things he says, are worthy of his office. I don't like Trump's policies [primarily because he's a populist with the fiscal responsibility of Democrats and the Wall Street ball-licking tax policy of Republicans], but that's not my beef with him. My beef is that he is a disgrace to the office. If he was a democrat, I would still be here saying he is a dumbshit. If he was an independent, I would still be here saying he is a dumbshit. His political affiliation is entirely irrelevant to the fact that is he a dumbshit unworthy of his office. 

I'd bet you won't say a single thing about democrats burning down their own cities, which is the most counter-intuitive thing to do if your candidate didn't win.

Trump hurting people's feelings on twitter are like flies buzzing around you compared to what will happen if Clinton won.

Obama had class? Maybe he should learn how not to aid your enemy by giving him cash in the hope that he won't build nukes. Or end wet foot dry foot as retaliation when cuban-americans decided to support trump more than clinton.

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12 hours ago, Caecus said:

I love how no one refutes my claim that Trump is dumb as shit. Who could defend the alternative?

 

4 hours ago, Parryx said:

1. About debt: You can argue one thing or another but Obama did nothing to solve the situation of this debt-cycle, he just continued it, making it bigger. And, again, it doesn't matter. Obama inherited most of the current debt-load from George W's wars. Much of the remainder was paying for the wars while removing personnel from the nations in question. Our debt is currently making us a decent amount of money, inflation will make it very easy to pay with time (if we elect to do so) and plenty of nations can take centuries to pay off debt. This is just not a thing, sorry.

2. Toyota announced the 10b investment in 9 January 2017, after Trump won the election and all knew that he was going to rule. He said that so all the companies thought that was going to be real so they announced investment in USA. Toyota is one of the examples but if you continue to make protective trade policies more companies will return because you are the main saling market of this companies. Per your source: 

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DETROIT (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T) will invest $10 billion in the United States over the next five years, the same as in the previous five years, North America Chief Executive Jim Lentz said on Monday, to meet demand and upgrade plants to build more fuel-efficient models.

The Japanese automaker has come under fire by President-elect Donald Trump for its plans, announced in 2015, to shift production of its Corolla to Mexico from Canada.

Lentz said in an interview at the Detroit auto show the decision was not in response to Trump's remarks made in a recent tweet, but was part of Toyota's business strategy to invest in the United States, where it has 10 plants in eight states.

Planning for the new Mexico plant began about two years before it was announced in 2015, said Lentz, describing such decisions as long-term ones.

 

3. About Middle Eastern. I don't get your point. If I have to choose between ISIS and Assad my choice is clear. WMDs, including chemical weapons against civilians versus a terror group formed in 2003? That's already not a choice that has to be made. You can argue that Assad is bad an sure it is but also Syria was the country more similar to west. No, you're thinking of Jordan.  No islamization of the state, public structures like healthcare, education... etc. Before Islamic states same was with Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan. Libya was the country with the highest HDI of Africa Do we support democratic government? If so, and a Islamic style of government is supported what business is it of ours? check about Saur's revolution in Afghanistan that tried to deislamize the society giving women's rights, improved education and healthcare... and same happens with Iraq. After coming in the talibans or other islamic groups now people just run away from that countries. So, why should be good for Syria to give support to islamic rebels? the FSA and Kurdish groups are supported by the United States and are mostly secular already. The group of non-islamic rebels is small because the main fighters of the FSA is mainly fighters that come from Pakistan and other countries to give support to islamic groups. No, this just isn't accurate, Non-islamic rebels are mainly syrian because they were educated in a laic state and a view of society more close to west but they are a minority in FSA and other groups.

4. Obama did really bad. (in your opinion, apparently. it's not shared.) As I said he made free trade agreements with underdeveloped countries making companies go there to produce. I don't get how this is doing good. Instead he should try to make a free trade agreement with EU that would be beneficial for USA because in EU cost production is higher and we are a good market to sell (we've got more purchasing power than underdeveloped countries). And he tried this with TTIP but it failed. So, the only thing that had to do for benefit it failed and he did other bad things as I said about DR-CAFTA  And I don't recall even a single person supporting your ideas because it's ridiculous.

5. Foreign relations. It wasn't all controlled from Moscow. Yeah, it was. In fact USSR was quite decentralized, they even had like a "Senate" were the different SSR were represented The USSR used a form of government in which one large representative group to rubber stamp central decisions, a smaller group within that of the central committee to give a bigger rubber stamp approval and the Politburo where the decisions were actually made.. Russia gave this territory to Ukraine because they wanted a better sea contact so if they claim to recover it is legitimated. Russia never "gave" Ukraine anything. When it was the Ukranian SSR the territory was included so when the USSR dissolved Crimea went with it. They didn't change the presidents, they made a coup (This is a change, btw), they quit the last president (chosen by election) and banned other opposition parties (as the Communist Party, for example). Yes, they did. It was quite obvious who was supported by the population of the Ukraine. Then they made an election which was caracterized by non participation of the east (they became independent (They're not even independent now, let alone then) and with irregularities so the president it's not legitimated. EU said that if Russia attacked Ukraine or participated in the war they would attack because they say the conflict needs to be resolved only by Ukraine. Indicating they lied since Putin and the Russian forces are observable on commercial satellites and Ukrainian intelligence showing Russia's involvement in that conflict since it began, both in shipping the Donetsk groups advanced military weaponry and Russian troops. That's why I say Russia isn't attacking directly, he is giving guns to Novorissya. Hey, I don't know were are you from but I'm sure not from EU. The problem with agriculture and primary sector in Ukraine is huge because of the EU cuotes. In your opinion, sure. I'm sure you can withdraw from the EU if you tire of its governmental model and/or policies. They're very similar to American policies in similar situations. I  don't think you know that because in Spain we suffered A LOT because that. When you try to enter to EU you have to enter to the free-trade market so every country has their own objectives. The main countries that already are in the EU try to apply the lowest cuotes of production to the new ones in order that they can't produce a lot and they just import from the EU making the old EU countries increase exports. In primary sector (mostly agriculture) the ones who rule there are mainly France, Germany and UK. When Spain entered to the EU we had to close most of the farms because they gave us really low cuotes of production (France is huge in that sector) and the same happened with Ukraine. (I assume at some point you'll have a legitimate grievance. Who was threatening Ukraine or Spain to join the EU if it wasn't beneficial for them? If it's such a problem why haven't they simply withdrawn, especially with the procedure now formally shown to be a real one? The difference of Ukraine is that has no industry, construction or turism like we had here. Ukraine is mostly agricultural, that why it was called to be the barn of eastern europe. When they put the cuotes of production the economy collapsed. There is a good documentary about that, I remember that an owner of a chicken farm said that he had to close his business after that Anecdotal evidence is certainly of use, as is a single documentary. The cuote of production for chicken for the WHOLE Ukraine that EU gave them it was just the 5% of his production before enter the EU. Also they lost their main trade partner, Russia. So it's not about war, that also, it's more about cuotes of production and losing exportations to Russia (Of course it's about war; Russia got annoyed that Ukraine was shifting to the West then created an imaginary rebel group, armed them and staffed with ethnic Russians from Russia.). And bro, you say that Putin is fascist, that I agree, but Ukraine government is even more fascist. I just remind you that some of the members of the Government are from a Nazi Party. Literally, a NAZI Party. Svodoba. This party is literally Nazi. You're welcome to believe that. Putin meets almost every criterion for formal definition of a fascist. They have pictures of Stephan Bandera, who just made genocide to jews and polish people and gave support to Hitler during II WW. Their symbol is the symbol of a collaboracionist group during Hitler's ocuppation. I just say that after the coup and that president left the country jews associations said that agressions to jew (mainly stabbing) increased a lot. Ministers and members from the Government that are from Svodoba: Andrei Parubiy (National Security and Defense, he founded the Nationalsocialist Party of Ukraine before being in Svodoba, in fact Svodoba absorbed the SNPU), Dimitri Yarosh (also Security and Defense, member of Pravi Sektor, another nazi party that, affter the Maidan success closed a Union office with all the sindicalists inside and burn it all, killing more than 50 people burned alive), Alexander Sych (First Attached Minister, Svodoba), Igor Tenyuk (Minister of Defense, Svodoba), Serguei Kvit (Minister of Education, Svodoba), Andrei Mojnyk (Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources, Svodoba), Igor Chvaika (Minister of Agriculture and Alimentation, Svodoba), Dimitri Bulatov (Minister of Youth and Sports, member of UNA-UNSO, political group that is more like a paramillitary group), Oleg Maknistky (Attorney General, Svodoba), Tatiana Chornovol (President of the National Comission of Anti-corruption, UNA-UNSO). Lot of people close to me and my family has suffered a lot because of that, they were left-wing sindicalists. Socialists, etc. and they were punched and beaten by members of the political party that has a great influence in the government (because they pacted with the Poroshenko group). Now Ukraine is turning nazi every time. There are pictures of Stepan Bandera in the streets, a mass murderer that allied with Hitler so yeah He's not just living his entire life within a building?, I obviously have fear of a Nazi country in EU. And Jews associations said that stabbings and murder of jews are increasing a lot. If you check the parlamentary groups of the Rada in Ukraine (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rada_Suprema) you will see that. And that it's worse in France than Ukraine, but that doesn't fit your argument so it appears to have been skipped. All left parties (izquierda in spanish) are banned, you will see that there are only right (derecha) and center (centro) parties because all the rest were literally BANNED, like Hitler did during the "elections" that he won. So both countries, Ukraine and Russia are ruled by fascists, with the difference that Svodoba, Pravi Sektor and UNA-UNSO are publically NAZIS. As are Russian voting systems and Putin's de facto dictatorship there including his fascism,

 

And yeah, as I said more things like criticize him because of trade agreements (at the moment he has done it good), or making protective laws to try to bring more industry to the country is good. You can criticize other stuff like all his reactionary stuff. 

That isn't refutable because is a subjective opinion. What I did is refute all your other argumentation that can be refuted easily. I understand that you don't like Trump but next time choose a good candidate to fight him, not somebody like Hillary. I think that maybe Bernie could have done it better. HRC would've been already beneficial. Your entire post is subjective opinions (and apparently you don't read what you cite for some reason)

 

2 hours ago, Dubayoo said:

This is just wishful thinking. The GOP did it (and failed) with Clinton. No reason we can't get Donald removed.

The fundamental truth is Republicans aren't stupid. Beg to differ.  Even among those who hate Trump, they would rather keep him in office to preserve the party's unified image. More horrified at Pence's apparent desire to make us Iran: Christian Edition.

The alternative is the American people believing the party doesn't have self-confidence which is what the party's getting elected according to right now.  It doesn't matter if Trump and his followers are stupid.  What matters is people are convinced by strong leadership right now.  No doubt. I'm sure many of them will die as a result of these policies and just have no sympathy for them.

This is common sense though.  Liberals enabled it to happen from their multi-decade if not multi-generational bane against principled idealism.  If you don't support abstract principles, then those who can brutalize their way to the top will get in power. Common sense isn't a thing; it varies from person to person, depending on beliefs. It's a very lazy and easily removed argument. (We also don't have liberals, which is an issue). The Democrats have done quite well over the recent decades.

Besides, everyone who's actually followed Trump knows he's been a liberal Democrat for the past 30 years.  His campaign this season was just telling people what they want to hear so he could get what he wants out of them.  Trump's never been a Democrat and absolutely not a liberal.

I didn't vote for the guy.  I don't like the guy.  That said, I'm not caught up in fantasy utopia lalaland.  The best shot of him being impeached will be if the Democrats take over Congress.  Is there a considerable shot of the mid-term elections going that way?  Yes, but before that point, there's no shot at all. It's nice for you to have this opinion; it changes nothing as the process is already begun.

 

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23 minutes ago, Parryx said:

I don't care if somebody has class or not. When I choose a president (I am not from US and I wouldn't vote for Trump/Hillary) I choose him because of his policies. Not for his class or physical appearance. Trump's policies (what he has done for now) has been quite better than Obama's. (What policies? So far he's managed to wreck trust in NATO, physically assault an allied country's head of government, tried to remove the ACA without an alternative that would work, not put his business investments into a blind trust to avoid being as corrupt as he is, gave intelligence of a high grade to Russia voluntarily (for some reason), said he'd build a wall, lied about the cost of the wall, suggested Mexico would pay for it, attempted to make even more tax cuts to the wealthy and increase spending, just off the top of my head. He can't do a lot of this, but doesn't appear to realize it.  Obama was the president that deported more people, even more than Bush. That's a fact. He made free trade agreements with under-developed countries making deindustrialization even worse. He didn't do anything about he said of helping illegals or reducing poverty. He did quite a bit, actually. He increased the military spending and increase a lot the debt. you can't just stop a war so in the intermin he's requested funding similar to Bush, but his aim was to end the wars, not continue funding them with debt. He bombed countries that he shouldnt have bombed in Middle Eastern and contributed to it's destabilization. Such as? Trump at least has started to do some protective policies that will help, he said that he wanted to recover the Glass-Steagall law, That's never going to happen. As a non-American your opinion isn't very useful, to be honest. It doesn't matter and I'm thankful for that, given how bizarre your political beliefs seem to be. that would be something great for USA. The Glass-Steagall law would have minimized the effects of the crisis, that's why it was made after 1929 crisis but it was removed in 1999. Also Bernie Sanders wanted to recover this law, but not Hillary. Also he said that wants less intervention in foreign wars, that would be also good for USA, you have more than 105% of debt and it's increasing every time. Do you not study economics at all where you are? If we judge by opinion you certainly don't seem to.

I understand that you dislike Trump's manners but for now he has done it better than Obama in policies (He hasn't done anything; how can it be judged if it doesn't exist?) (he hasn't build the wall or strenghten the immigrant rules but he has done some good policies, so at the moment is good). The bad thing he did is about healthcare. I understand that you hate him, (You don't seem to understand, so please stop claiming you do. It makes your attempts look like Trump's ability to effectively govern.) I also do, but saying that he is dumb isn't something smart because you underestimate your opponents. If I had to support one of the candidates I probably would supported Sanders, it's the most close to european socialdemocracy but I don't like him neither. Who cares what you like on a formal basis? Everyone can have opinions, but if you lack the ability to express those beliefs in a small, initial part of an election in the United States your beliefs simply don't matter.

 

22 minutes ago, Fukataka said:

I'd bet you won't say a single thing about democrats burning down their own cities, which is the most counter-intuitive thing to do if your candidate didn't win. Does this exist outside of your mind or ... ?

Trump hurting people's feelings on twitter are like flies buzzing around you compared to what will happen if Clinton won. Most Clinton opponents don't really have any reason to dislike her except her last name. Trump is the leader of the GOP, knows absolutely nothing about government, nor does virtually any of his Cabinet. That's why he's so ineffective. All of the group is experienced in running a business, which is in absolutely no way similar or useful in the Executive Service.

Obama had class? Maybe he should learn how not to aid your enemy by giving him cash in the hope that he won't build nukes. Money is bad, but intelligence fine to give our opponent?  Or end wet foot dry foot as retaliation when cuban-americans decided to support trump more than clinton. Cubans always do this. They don't like the Castro government and want their previous dictator back because he didn't torture them, just anyone else that didn't believe in him.

 

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1 hour ago, Caecus said:

You literally read nothing I wrote, lol. There is nothing to refute here. 

Actually, I read the entire thing.  You never revealed any insight as to the attitudes of the Republican politicians in Washington.  All you did was provide conjecture.

Don't get me wrong.  A lot of what you said makes sense, but you're ignoring the nonsensical nature of politics.

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I can't quote you so I answer like this.

1. Debt: IT IS A PROBLEM. You don't have a 300% inflation that makes the dollar don't value a shit and let you pay the debt. Interests of your debt are more than 5% and 10%. Tell me, HOW DO YOU PAY 10% INTEREST RATE WITH A 1%-2% DEVALUATION OF YOUR CURRENCY. I'm tired of saying real economical arguments and just get replied that it's not a problem. If you pretend to pay the interest rates and debt with devaluation of your currency you need to have more devaluation percentage than interest rate. That's obvious. Devaluation reduces the real monetary payment that you have to pay but interest rate increase it. Interest rate is currently a lot bigger than devaluation so how do you pretend to pay it. It's economy. 

2. The new says what I was saying. Toyota since 2015 was planning to put a new plant, a new investment in Mexico. Trump tweeted after winning the election that if they don't come back to invest in USA he would increase taxes on their importations. After that they cancelled the investment in Mexico and announced a 10b investment in USA. That's a proof so there's no discussion there.

3. Say what you want to say but the majority of the population doesn't want a islamic government. And even they wanted so it's not good for the world and for them that they put terrorists ruling a country. Easy to understand.

4. That Obama did really bad on trade agreements is obvious. As I said (1st of economy lesson) if you open market with countries that have less cost production the industry will go there to produce because they have less costs and there is no border taxes (it's a free trade agreement). It's something obvious, companies prefer to pay less costs. That's why is a bad idea doing free trade agreements with under-developed countries, an example is DR-CAFTA. That's why nobody wants to do an agreement with China, for example, because in a week your whole industry would disappear. 

5. I jump all the first part because you are just saying that is my opinion and has no value. I know much better than you how EU works. I know much better than you how cuotes of production in Europe works because I live there and I made lots of presentations about it because is what I study about. Search about Andalucia, the agricultural region of Spain that entered in collapse. Literally, when we accepted the cuotes of production of the EU. Now is one of the poorest regions of whole Europe, even compared to the east. Highest unemployment. Same is happening with Ukraine but harder because there the primary sector is even bigger. Ukraine joined EU because he wanted to run away from Russia. Not because of economic issues. And that caused huge damage in Ukraine economy for obvious reasons. Is economy, if you have a big sector on which depends most of population and GDP and this sector is restricted from EU because quotes of production your GDP reduces and unemployment increases. Is obvious. And it's not an opinion. When I say FACTS that just contradict your argument you just say it's an opinion. This is a FACT. Satellite showed weapons from Russia and trainers/officials from Russia. Not russian troops. They participate indirectly, not directly, as does EU/US with Ukraine. You said nothing about NAZIS in the government of Ukraine. Not reactionary that you can classify as fascists as it's Putin. Literally NAZIS that stabbed Jews, burned alive left-wing people. And you support this? When I was young I had an Ukraine friend here in Spain that went with me in school. When crisis arrived his parents lost their jobs because he worked in the construction and this whole sector in Spain just collapsed. They returned to Ukraine with their rest of family at a town in south of Kiev, more or less at the center of the country. His parents were left-wing activists, they were members of the Communist Party of Ukraine. When Maidan came up they were threatened to death after the Communist Party was banned. Members of Svodoba even shot at their car when they were driving around. They have to leave everything and leave to a close country and from there fly to Russia were they had some more family. They lost all their land, money and possessions. Everything due to some nazis that are in the government. They went to police before and the police laughed at them, literally. Svodoba controls the government and the defense and security: cops, army... They rule the country and do WHATEVER they want. As I said they burned an entire building burning ALIVE more than 50 people, even kids. Just because they were left-wing. They stabbed jews. And you don't say a shit about that. If Putin is fascist I don't imagine what is this guys that burn alive left people, jews and other kinds just because of political views. 

And please, read something about economy. Especially about the benefits/damages of free trade and protective mesures.

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19 minutes ago, ComradeMilton said:

on't care if somebody has class or not. When I choose a president (I am not from US and I wouldn't vote for Trump/Hillary) I choose him because of his policies. Not for his class or physical appearance. Trump's policies (what he has done for now) has been quite better than Obama's. (What policies? So far he's managed to wreck trust in NATO, physically assault an allied country's head of government, tried to remove the ACA without an alternative that would work, not put his business investments into a blind trust to avoid being as corrupt as he is, gave intelligence of a high grade to Russia voluntarily (for some reason), said he'd build a wall, lied about the cost of the wall, suggested Mexico would pay for it, attempted to make even more tax cuts to the wealthy and increase spending, just off the top of my head. He can't do a lot of this, but doesn't appear to realize it.  Obama was the president that deported more people, even more than Bush. That's a fact. He made free trade agreements with under-developed countries making deindustrialization even worse. He didn't do anything about he said of helping illegals or reducing poverty. He did quite a bit, actually. He increased the military spending and increase a lot the debt. you can't just stop a war so in the intermin he's requested funding similar to Bush, but his aim was to end the wars, not continue funding them with debt. He bombed countries that he shouldnt have bombed in Middle Eastern and contributed to it's destabilization. Such as? Trump at least has started to do some protective policies that will help, he said that he wanted to recover the Glass-Steagall law, That's never going to happen. As a non-American your opinion isn't very useful, to be honest. It doesn't matter and I'm thankful for that, given how bizarre your political beliefs seem to be. that would be something great for USA. The Glass-Steagall law would have minimized the effects of the crisis, that's why it was made after 1929 crisis but it was removed in 1999. Also Bernie Sanders wanted to recover this law, but not Hillary. Also he said that wants less intervention in foreign wars, that would be also good for USA, you have more than 105% of debt and it's increasing every time. Do you not study economics at all where you are? If we judge by opinion you certainly don't seem to.

I understand that you dislike Trump's manners but for now he has done it better than Obama in policies (He hasn't done anything; how can it be judged if it doesn't exist?) (he hasn't build the wall or strenghten the immigrant rules but he has done some good policies, so at the moment is good). The bad thing he did is about healthcare. I understand that you hate him, (You don't seem to understand, so please stop claiming you do. It makes your attempts look like Trump's ability to effectively govern.) I also do, but saying that he is dumb isn't something smart because you underestimate your opponents. If I had to support one of the candidates I probably would supported Sanders, it's the most close to european socialdemocracy but I don't like him neither. Who cares what you like on a formal basis? Everyone can have opinions, but if you lack the ability to express those beliefs in a small, initial part of an election in the United States your beliefs simply don't matter.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-president-barack-obama-bomb-map-drone-wars-strikes-20000-pakistan-middle-east-afghanistan-a7534851.html

Really? You think that Glass-Steagall law was useless? Isn't it beneficial? And you claim that I don't know anything about economy, omg. As I said, Trump made some protective mesures (doing pressure on companies about coming back to USA), less intervention in foreign wars... That are positive things. He won't build the wall, he can't even pay what it costs. The wall already exists in some points of the border and he maybe will expand it a bit but as other presidents have done, nothing more, he lied on that.

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1 hour ago, Caecus said:

Wait a second, Trump never did release his tax returns. Or his financials. If he did, he would presumably be in jail.

What do you expect to find there? 

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1 hour ago, WISD0MTREE said:

What do you expect to find there? Tax evasion.

 

1 hour ago, Parryx said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-president-barack-obama-bomb-map-drone-wars-strikes-20000-pakistan-middle-east-afghanistan-a7534851.html

Really? You think that Glass-Steagall law was useless? No. I don't recall saying that either. Isn't it beneficial? And you claim that I don't know anything about economy, omg. As I said, Trump made some protective mesures (doing pressure on companies about coming back to USA), less intervention in foreign wars... That are positive things. He won't build the wall, he can't even pay what it costs. The wall already exists in some points of the border and he maybe will expand it a bit but as other presidents have done, nothing more, he lied on that. He can expand it or just take it down. It literally stops nothing.

 

1 hour ago, Parryx said:

I can't quote you so I answer like this.

1. Debt: IT IS A PROBLEM. You don't have a 300% inflation (It doesn't need it) that makes the dollar don't value a shit and let you pay the debt. Interests of your debt are more than 5% and 10%. Tell me, HOW DO YOU PAY 10% INTEREST RATE WITH A 1%-2% DEVALUATION OF YOUR CURRENCY. (Over a long period of time, currently it's making us money to remain in debt as is (http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/DFII5I'm tired of saying real economical arguments and just get replied that it's not a problem. If you pretend to pay the interest rates and debt with devaluation of your currency you need to have more devaluation percentage than interest rate. That's obvious. Devaluation reduces the real monetary payment that you have to pay but interest rate increase it. Interest rate is currently a lot bigger than devaluation so how do you pretend to pay it. It's economy. The interest rate is already below inflation. Other than that, with time.

2. The new says what I was saying. Toyota since 2015 was planning to put a new plant, a new investment in Mexico. Trump tweeted after winning the election that if they don't come back to invest in USA he would increase taxes on their importations. After that they cancelled the investment in Mexico and announced a 10b investment in USA. That's a proof so there's no discussion there. Except Toyota decided that in 2013, which means Trump accomplished nothing and had no relationship with the company since it was announced they'd be doing so during Obama's last term.Did you read the article you cited? That's the one that confirms what I'm saying...

3. Say what you want to say but the majority of the population doesn't want a islamic government. And even they wanted so it's not good for the world and for them that they put terrorists ruling a country. Easy to understand. Gaza is democratic and chose a Hamas government in a democratic election. I assume you have good polling data for each of these countries' population's preference for Islamism included in their government or not, except Iran since they already are a self-described Islamic theocracy. Your opinion of it is irrelevant unless you vote in one of the countries. As seen in Libya, if the population dislike the government, they rebel and remove it.

4. That Obama did really bad on trade agreements is obvious. (No, it's really not.) As I said (1st of economy lesson) if you open market with countries that have less cost production the industry will go there to produce because they have less costs and there is no border taxes (it's a free trade agreement). It's something obvious, companies prefer to pay less costs. That's why is a bad idea doing free trade agreements with under-developed countries, an example is DR-CAFTA. That's why nobody wants to do an agreement with China, for example, because in a week your whole industry would disappear. China already does most of our manufacturing. Why would a formal acceptance of current reality cause any change whatsoever?

5. I jump all the first part because you are just saying that is my opinion and has no value. I know much better than you how EU works. Really? Undergraduate and graduate study of the European Union too, or just me? I know much better than you how cuotes of production in Europe works because I live there and I made lots of presentations about it because is what I study about. Anecdotal. Search about Andalucia, the agricultural region of Spain that entered in collapse. Literally, when we accepted the cuotes of production of the EU. Now is one of the poorest regions of whole Europe, even compared to the east. Maybe check on EU policies before voting to join? Or withdraw assuming Spain is not currently held within the EU? Highest unemployment. Same is happening with Ukraine but harder because there the primary sector is even bigger. Ukraine joined EU because he wanted to run away from Russia. Not because of economic issues. And that caused huge damage in Ukraine economy for obvious reasons. Is economy, if you have a big sector on which depends most of population and GDP and this sector is restricted from EU because quotes of production your GDP reduces and unemployment increases. Is obvious. And it's not an opinion. Sure it is. When I say FACTS that just contradict your argument you just say it's an opinion. This is a FACT. Satellite showed weapons from Russia and trainers/officials from Russia. Not russian troops. Correct, the Russian troops were photographed on the ground as they moved into Ukraine, not from a satellite. They participate indirectly, not directly, as does EU/US with Ukraine. The EU/US don't have troops fighting on the legitimate government of Ukraine. Russia does have troops fighting on behalf of the Donetsk group. You said nothing about NAZIS in the government of Ukraine. Not reactionary that you can classify as fascists as it's Putin. Literally NAZIS that stabbed Jews, burned alive left-wing people. And you support this? Eh, I more don't care than oppose it. When I was young I had an Ukraine friend here in Spain that went with me in school. When crisis arrived his parents lost their jobs because he worked in the construction and this whole sector in Spain just collapsed. They returned to Ukraine with their rest of family at a town in south of Kiev, more or less at the center of the country. His parents were left-wing activists, they were members of the Communist Party of Ukraine. When Maidan came up they were threatened to death after the Communist Party was banned. Members of Svodoba even shot at their car when they were driving around. Yeah, the US has a lot of political violence too. They have to leave everything and leave to a close country and from there fly to Russia were they had some more family. They lost all their land, money and possessions. Everything due to some nazis that are in the government. More likely due to their involvement with the Russian military action. In the United States that's treason; I'd be happier if I were you that Ukraine hasn't exercised an option to imprison them for that. They went to police before and the police laughed at them, literally. Svodoba controls the government and the defense and security: cops, army... They rule the country and do WHATEVER they want. As I said they burned an entire building burning ALIVE more than 50 people, even kids. Just because they were left-wing. They stabbed jews. And you don't say a shit about that. If Putin is fascist I don't imagine what is this guys that burn alive left people, jews and other kinds just because of political views. Those aren't elements of fascism in terms of determination. I'm not a fan of fascism or Nazism. At the moment my primary concern for Ukraine would be avoiding a full scale war against Russia from Ukraine's legitimate government. In the US Civil War it was already much more brutal than what you're describing (and, again, anecdotal evidence explains why you're arguing quite so much, but doesn't actually mean anything useful.

And please, read something about economy. Especially about the benefits/damages of free trade and protective measures. I have. Formally and informally. The US debt is fine and currently generating revenue at the moment due to interest rates beating inflation. If those who held US debt were to act the way you're describing we'd experience a massive global economic depression so naturally the holders of the debt would like to avoid that and will likely continue to be fine with it, though possibly consider buying less of it in future. There are like three major schools of economic theory at the moment. It's not as if you saying "ECONOMICS" changes that. You've selected an economic position from one group of economists, which'll agree with your beliefs, which is fine, but doesn't eliminate all the economists saying the complete opposite of you.

 

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1. I'm already tired of argumenting that. This would work if your debt remain stable or increased less than debt. Then among time (it would last for lots of years) you would be able to pay the debt. But the debt is increasing every time more than the devaluation of your currency, so it won't work. The simple proof that debt isn't reducing is just the debt over nominal GDP. Debt over nominal GDP has been increasing (2015 was 105%). Inflation also increases nominal GDP so debt over nominal GDP would decrease if inflation increase was bigger than debt increase. The simplest proof that debt is increasing more than inflation is that: Debt over GDP is increasing

2. The news say that Toyota decided to invest in Mexico in 2015, moving their plant of production of the Corolla from Canada to Mexico. After Trump tweeted against imported cars some days ago Toyota announces a 10b investment in USA. The news doesn't say anything about 2013. Those are facts, read the BBC also please.

3. No comments, i'm quite tired about that. Say what you want, most people in Syria don't want an Islamic government.

4. It's obviously true. China has most of your production because they moved the factories that were profitable to move. That means tax borders+cost of sending the product. If you make a free trade agreement with them you remove the tax borders so even more factories will move there because they will be more profitable to move there. Can you understand that? That is what happened with Obama and DR-CAFTA. If you increase tax borders (products produced in China are mainly for exports) then less factories will be profitable to move to China and export to USA so they will come back. Obviously this has a limit because you also have to import some products but doing free-trade agreements with countries with less cost of production than yours is a bad idea. ANY economist would say that.

5. Sure, joining EU was a bad idea but here we enter in politicians, how they lie people or do marketing so people vote them. I was just explaining EU policies and quotes of production so you can understand why Ukraine lost that much GDP. Russia has not troops. Some russian citizens moved to east Ukraine and asked to join the militias there but Russia hasn't troops there. As some people of Spain that went to west Ukraine to join ukraine army but Spain hasn't troops there, easy to understand. And obviously Russia gives money and weapons to novorossiya, as EU/USA does to Ukraine. My friend and his family didn't give their support to Russia. In fact they were against the russian adquisition of Crimea or the independence of east ukraine. The problem is that they are left-wing and members of the government are nazis so nazis tried to killed them not because they support Russia (because they didn't), because they were left-wing. Those aren't elements of fascism? Stabbing jews, burning left-wing people alive, banning all the left parties, shooting citizens because they are left? Hitler banned the communist party during the fake election he won, he sent sections of the SA to the voting posts to make people be afraid, killed and chased jews, shooted and killed political rivals. So yeah, Ukraine government is fascist. Putin also makes the same with the left parties in Russia, he ordered to beat and sent to jail the secretary of the communist party of russia. Is a fight between fascist governments.

There are more schools. Obviously Austrian school isn't a school of economics, but there are others. Anyways, all of them would understand that if your debt increases more than inflation you don't reduce the real monetary value of the debt. That's easy.

PS: As always you just ignore what you don't want to answer. You haven't answered why you said that Glass-Steagall is useless. 

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4 hours ago, Parryx said:

Obviously he is not dumb. He won an election while all polls gave victory to Hillary. He said what was smart to say to gain votes (protective laws to the unemployed in the rust belt, talking about what Hillary said that they created ISIS, bad foreign affairs policy of Obama...). He won when all polls were against him because he was smarter than Hillary. That's obvious. He is shit and is a bad person but that doesn't mean he is stupid.

PS: In fact, thinking that he is dumb, that he is stupid is just underestimating your opponent. That is dumb

By that standard, you would think Bill Clinton was smart. Or heaven forbid, George !@#$ing Bush. But that's the thing about Trump supporters, all you guys do is point to Trump winning the election and believe that anything is possible. Here's how he's dumb as shit:

1. When he fired Comey, the official story (which was a smart official story) was that Comey was a bad director who led a non-partisan organization into the spotlight in politics. That's actually a pretty damn good reason. But stupid af Trump goes on national fuking television and tells the whole world it's because of Russia, contradicting literally his entire administration. That's pretty damn stupid. 

2. When the house passed the healthcare bill, he got a party together to celebrate, like he didn't know he had to pass the Senate too. All the more humiliating when the healthcare bill died in the Senate. That's excluding the fact that HE DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HEALTHCARE. He literally said the house plan was the greatest healthcare plan and then actually heard people say stuff about it and realize what a !@#$ing disaster it actually is. And then he comes out like "Oh, nobody knew how complicated healthcare would be." Also pretty damn stupid. 

3. He was (presumably) manipulated by the Russian foreign minister to disclose classified information that Israel provided to us. The disclosure to the Russians served no American interests and harmed relations with Israel, something palpable when Trump visited the country and held a press conference with Netanyahu. If he wasn't manipulated by the Russians, he's still classified as dumb as shit because he revealed information that harmed US relations with Israel. "Oh, it's not illegal, the president can declassify anything he wants." But it's still dumb as shit. 

And those are just the big things. How about Covfefe? Or literally every tweet he's sent. If your only evidence for Trump being anywhere near intelligent was that he won an election, that's pretty slim evidence. If I were to defend Trump, I would have gone the real estate route. Still, there is a wealth of evidence that he's dumb as shit and little if any evidence to the contrary. 

3 hours ago, Parryx said:

I don't care if somebody has class or not. When I choose a president (I am not from US and I wouldn't vote for Trump/Hillary) I choose him because of his policies. Not for his class or physical appearance. Trump's policies (what he has done for now) has been quite better than Obama's. Obama was the president that deported more people, even more than Bush. That's a fact. He made free trade agreements with under-developed countries making deindustrialization even worse. He didn't do anything about he said of helping illegals or reducing poverty. He increased the military spending and increase a lot the debt. He bombed countries that he shouldnt have bombed in Middle Eastern and contributed to it's destabilization. Trump at least has started to do some protective policies that will help, he said that he wanted to recover the Glass-Steagall law, that would be something great for USA. The Glass-Steagall law would have minimized the effects of the crisis, that's why it was made after 1929 crisis but it was removed in 1999. Also Bernie Sanders wanted to recover this law, but not Hillary. Also he said that wants less intervention in foreign wars, that would be also good for USA, you have more than 105% of debt and it's increasing every time.

I understand that you dislike Trump's manners but for now he has done it better than Obama in policies (he hasn't build the wall or strenghten the immigrant rules but he has done some good policies, so at the moment is good). The bad thing he did is about healthcare. I understand that you hate him, I also do, but saying that he is dumb isn't something smart because you underestimate your opponents. If I had to support one of the candidates I probably would supported Sanders, it's the most close to european socialdemocracy but I don't like him neither.

Sanders is also a !@#$ing idiot who has no real policies, but at least he would have left some dignity left in the office. As for Trump's policies being better than Obama, Trump has literally done nothing. No major legislation. The only thing you can point to is the Supreme Court nominee and Trump's foreign policy. Although anyone who knows anything about recent foreign policy would try to avoid that. So, if how good Trump's policies is based on the status quo, the status quo is Obama's policies, with the exception of the supreme court and foreign policy. 

3 hours ago, Fukataka said:

I'd bet you won't say a single thing about democrats burning down their own cities, which is the most counter-intuitive thing to do if your candidate didn't win.

Trump hurting people's feelings on twitter are like flies buzzing around you compared to what will happen if Clinton won.

Obama had class? Maybe he should learn how not to aid your enemy by giving him cash in the hope that he won't build nukes. Or end wet foot dry foot as retaliation when cuban-americans decided to support trump more than clinton.

See, you can't tell the difference between class and policy. Here's how you can tell Obama has class. Ever since Obama left office, he hasn't once gone in front of a TV or camera and criticized Trump. Even before Obama left office, he didn't criticize then President-Elect Trump. Keeping in mind, Trump has blamed pretty much everything wrong with his administration on Obama and is actively trying to tear down Obama's legacy. Not a peep from Obama. Same thing with Bush when Obama took office. There isn't a single president in modern history before 2016 who spent more time in office insulting other presidents than getting things done.  In contrast, Trump lashes out at TV hosts, former presidents, "covfefe" as if the daily job of being president wasn't enough. He should spend less time tweeting, and actually do what he was elected to do. Perhaps passing some legislation might be a start. 

3 hours ago, Dubayoo said:

Actually, I read the entire thing.  You never revealed any insight as to the attitudes of the Republican politicians in Washington.  All you did was provide conjecture.

Don't get me wrong.  A lot of what you said makes sense, but you're ignoring the nonsensical nature of politics.

Take it from the "Real News" itself. Again, I still don't think you read what I wrote. 

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