Captain_Vietnam Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 communism is better then capitalism under communism everybody has job and are free from the hold of big buinsesses. countries like north korea, vietnam and soviet union become rich under it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikhan Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 "Communism", as Marx had envisioned it, has never existed, 100.000,000 people have died under communist regimes throughout history, and also, explain how The United States got so powerful as a capitalist state while countries such as the Soviet Union failed. And don't get me started on North Korea and China. Vietnam is doing pretty good for itself though... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Aminu Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I order Zhoginism. There are no classes, just roles. Equality is everything. You work for your comrades and brethren. Or is not communism because it incorporates Islam, but it is close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Vietnam Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) "Communism", as Marx had envisioned it, has never existed, 100.000,000 people have died under communist regimes throughout history, and also, explain how The United States got so powerful as a capitalist state while countries such as the Soviet Union failed. And don't get me started on North Korea and China. Vietnam is doing pretty good for itself though... 100 million is far incorrect, more like 10% of that of 10 million. lots of figures have been faked by international bankers to promote their ideology. i am not saying member of communist regimes havent killed somebody. but look at figure it bad arguement. capitalism and liberalism has kill far more. communists kill because it needed for cultural revolution and capitalist rich are a disgusting group of people who sit on cash as workers rot Edited January 14, 2016 by Captain_Vietnam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mcfloyd Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 democratic socialism 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Vietnam Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 democratic socialism democratic socialism is flawed. all it is cover up for bankers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 In real life I am a democratic socialist Basically similar to china Or capitalism with safety nets Quote Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mcfloyd Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 In real life I am a democratic socialist Basically similar to china Or capitalism with safety nets wo wo wo, those are very different things, china is capitalist, and capitalism with safety nets is just one version 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Aminu Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 In real life I am a democratic socialist Basically similar to china Or capitalism with safety nets China is state capitalism. They used child labour, pollute their environment, and are taking American jobs away. We should ban outscoring! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naruu Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Social Democracy has been shown that it works better then both, ie Europe. Both pure Capitalism and pure Communism are flawed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Social Democracy has been shown that it works better then both, ie Europe. Both pure Capitalism and pure Communism are flawed. It apparently does not do better in education. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Pure capitalism = rich own poor Pure communism = equality Everyone would want an equal society by it is impossible Quote Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikhan Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Pure capitalism = rich own poor Pure communism = equality Everyone would want an equal society by it is impossible You mean equal as in they all suffer equally. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mcfloyd Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) You mean equal as in they all suffer equally. you're thinking of authoritarian socialism my friend, communism have never been implemented Edited January 15, 2016 by Jack Mcfloyd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannan13 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) Under Communism the form of Distributive Justice is that of Egalitarian. [1] The Egalitarian Distributive Principle hinges on the fact that everyone in society is made equally and that society’s benefits and burdens should be equally distributed amongst society. Capitalistic Distributive Justice, on the other hand, is that the benefits of society should be equally distributed amongst contributors. Though my opponent can agree that each should have equal rights it is the burdens and benefits that where we clash. The main problem with the Egalitarian principle is that it creates waste. The thing is that not everyone needs the same amount of benefits and burdens. For example, someone who is mentally handicapped cannot perform the same as a scientist who is not. The scientist may not need the same amount of benefits that the handicapped man does and they most certainly will be unable to contribute in the same way. While on the other side Capitalist Distributive Justice shows that people would be getting what they earn do to their contrabution and this would encourage more and more people to contribute to soceity and due to these desires it would result in growth of the soceity and its betterment even though people are working for their own desires. Another flaw in Communism's Egalitarian principle is that of the redistribution of wealth in order to have an equal set of benefits for society. Here one must look through Rawl's Veil of Ignorance. In order to do that one's creed, race, sex, religion, political views, and generation does not matter. This in in order to eliminate bias from the viewer in order to view his two principles of Difference and Equality. The Equality Principle is that the greatest extent of Liberty for everyone. The other states that it must benefit everyone, including the least advantaged, must be open to everyone, and your enemy chooses your position in that society or scenario. [2] In the case of this redistribution of wealth one must see that it is not benefitting society as it harming the richer to give to the poor. In this case we also do not know to what extent the Equality of redistribution must be met. To further this if the person behind the Veil wanted their place in society they would all want to be the least advantaged, but in turn they would become better off in this case. Though in order to balance this out in society it would discourage people from wanting to be rich so that they could receive benefits from the more advantaged and thus would wreck any type of society into one that has stagnated and has halted any type of progress or growth. Not to mention that at this point that it would result in any type of means of getting this money which can result in violence which once again would damage society, but yet show that this redistribution cannot actually flourish with Communism. Sources 1. (http://www.spunk.org/texts/writers/brown/sp001735.html) 2. (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rawls/) Edited January 15, 2016 by Lannan13 Quote Tiocfaidh ár lá =Censored by Politics and War Moderation team= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannan13 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 you're thinking of authoritarian socialism my friend, communism have never been implemented Communism cannot exist in true form since Marx actually calls for Anarcho-Communism and world wide as well. Pure capitalism = rich own poor Pure communism = equality Everyone would want an equal society by it is impossible Give me proof of a Communist society that has worked in history. Quote Tiocfaidh ár lá =Censored by Politics and War Moderation team= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannan13 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 China is state capitalism. They used child labour, pollute their environment, and are taking American jobs away. We should ban outscoring! Why? They are helping the poor in China and driving their prices down for us here at home. Sure jobs are going away, but this is just a change and shift in money. Obama has "created" a great deal of jobs to outpace outsourcing a great deal. Quote Tiocfaidh ár lá =Censored by Politics and War Moderation team= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannan13 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 communism is better then capitalism under communism everybody has job and are free from the hold of big buinsesses. countries like north korea, vietnam and soviet union become rich under it! North Korea, rich, I love it, LMFAO. Quote Tiocfaidh ár lá =Censored by Politics and War Moderation team= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Licorice Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 countries like north korea, vietnam and soviet union become rich under it! *close tab* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Pure capitalism = rich own poor Show me an actual Pure Capitalist Society, ever, in history. I am personally waiting for an actual Laissez Faire Capitalist Society of which I hear horror stories about yet seriously am hoping for someday. Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannan13 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Show me an actual Pure Capitalist Society, ever, in history. I am personally waiting for an actual Laissez Faire Capitalist Society of which I hear horror stories about yet seriously am hoping for someday. Pullman Car company's AnCap. Quote Tiocfaidh ár lá =Censored by Politics and War Moderation team= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Pullman Car company's AnCap. That was more of a benevolent dictatorship/society. Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannan13 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Also, Communism is a political system while Capitalism is an economic system. Just saying. 2 Quote Tiocfaidh ár lá =Censored by Politics and War Moderation team= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Also, Communism is a political system while Capitalism is an economic system. Just saying. This. Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannan13 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) This. It's the greatest mistake people make. They always want to bring up Capitalism vs. Communism, but this isn't really possible. That's like comparing Theocracy to Merchantilism. What Capt. Vietnam is meaning is either: Communism vs. Democracy or Marxism vs. Capitalism. Edited January 15, 2016 by Lannan13 1 Quote Tiocfaidh ár lá =Censored by Politics and War Moderation team= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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