Lucianus

Idea 1: That's a large enough buff to make it actually useful, pote tially. Interesting and sounds good for balancing. Idea 2: my issue with idea 2 is that, for an actor focused on econ, it makes more sense to prolong wars rather then declare more. The main bulk of damages in wars are taken in day 1-3, or 1-5 in some cases (the first round of war). This is especially true for the victorious side of a conflict, who barely takes damage after round 1. Let me take the Camelot conflict with Rose as an example; the main damage Rose received was received in the first 5 days, and in the 30-ish days afterwards, less damage was taken then in the first 5. We see this being the case in a vast majority of conflicts. That means that, for perfect economic efficiency, it would be more useful to keep such a war ongoing indefinetely instead of constantly declaring new ones (way more costly). I do not wish to roll anyone out of the game, not even my worst enemies, so please don't make a mechanic where it is incentivized/pragmatic to keep wars ongoing (indefinetely). Potentially, this can be (partially) fixed by an earlier siggestion in this thread: remove high stagnation easily and low stagnation very difficult, so that only a few wars are mandated. Idea 3: this change, aside from affecting rss consumption also affects score, you have to code in a weird rebuy (0.8 ships/drydock/day is difficult for someone woth 1 drydock, suchbas some new players). You have to affect score, impacting downdeclares/updeclares or cha ge how much score military is given. To keep it eazier for yourself, why not just reduce rss consumption when buying a troop by 20%. Achieves the same goal without unintended consequences.

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Despite my usual unwillingness to come to the forums combined with my reservation about the dev team and the way it functions, it's been a while since I've actually since a proposal I'd be happy to see go through. I don't really care about the colors, so I'm focusing this post on the (proposed) changed city cost. Military power imbalance As we can all see in this game, there is a wide discrepancy in who holds power in this game. if I ask anyone who is working in MA or FA, you see that all they want is upper tier nations as those hold the power to win wars for you. If I'm working sheets and ordering targets, I'd prefer 10 c50's over 25 c30's, and I ask any military commander if anyone would actually disagree with this statement. The issue of being a new player New players who join the game today can be of a relevant tier (relevant being in a position where you're considered a real asset that helps in changing the war outcome), which I would currently define as c40+. I know c35-c39 can have some influence too, but it's alreday getting more and more limited. C50+ is considered the strongest, c45-c49 is qutie strong too, c40-c44 is also relevant and c35-c39 is good enough to count. The following are approximations as the game sorts weirdly, but gives a good general overview. C50+: 3 out of 57 are from after January 1st, 2020, of which 0 after January 1st, 2022. C45-c49: 22 out of 119 are created after January 1st, 2020, of which 4 after January 1st, 2022. C40-c44: 181 out of 381 are created after January 1st, 2020, of which 12 after January 1st, 2022. As you can see, to be a player of any relevance (c40+), or in other ways a chance to belong to the top 600, it will take you 4-5 years of active playing and a good alliance that helps you, and then you're in the low relevant tier. 4 to 5 years before you as your nation can actually be of influence in the game. I don't know about you guys, but who would join a game if you're being told that you won't be able to make any impact for the next 4 years, and that is only if you play actively. Even worse, as the upper tier is progressing further and further, this time will increase. I know when I joined the game c30+ was considered the top tier, and c25+ quite high. So it took 4-5 years for players starting 4-5 years ago, meaning that for people who start now, I guess it will take them 7 years at a minimum. Because if they take 4-5 years to get to c40, then the current c40+ tier will be a lot further then c40 too. A change is necessary to address this, because alliances and players know this too. Is it demotivating for players to know they can't actually change the balance of power? Well, I've heard countless people try to argue that it doesn't matter, but for quite a large group of people it does matter. As leader I've had dozens of these kind of discussions with my members, and to this day I understand their anger, that ultimately is, if not the sole reason, at least a heavy factor in new players leaving the game. I'm not talking about those who leave in 2 days, but I am talking about those who leave after 1-12 months. Those understand the game good enough to know they will not make a difference until they are in their irl retirement.

Keegoz, out of curiosity, what is the goal behind these changes? What meta are you trying to affect/change/add and what kind of playstyle do you want to incentivize? Also on this, good to know, but where is/was that listed? No problem for now as it's just a proposal, but it would be nice to see the full changes. Are other prices changing too?

Looked at the file, according to the in-game page planes cost 5 alu per plane, not 10. So 80% alu reduction instead of 40% at tier 20. Might wanna revise that to keep if balanced with the other area's.

On the planet of Zakuul, citizens gathered on the town square. In a few minutes, the winner of the elections and thus the new emperor would appear to address them, as the previous emperor has decided to retire. After the election period, the votes were counted and the election chair ratified the results. The chair entered the stage and announced: ‘In the September 2023 Rose elections, our citizens overwhelmingly elected Lucianus as their new Emperor. Please welcome back Emperor Lucianus!’ Lucianus entered the stage together with his cabinet and spoke to the crowd: ‘Today, I stand before you as your newly elected Emperor, humbled and honored by the trust you have placed in me to lead Rose once again. Together, we embark on a journey that will shape the destiny of our alliance, propelling us to a bright future. I am not alone in this endeavor. I am fortunate to have a dedicated team of leaders by my side, each chosen for their unique skills and unwavering commitment to our cause. Vexz, our High Justice, stands as my right hand, ready to assist in steering our alliance through whatever challenges we may encounter. To my cabinet, many familiar faces will return. As our head of IA, my old mentor Valkorion Baratheon will serve. Jordan will continue to serve as head of Economic Affairs, Wasteking as head of Foreign Affairs, Diamond as head of Military Affairs and Mateus as head of Technological Affairs. My cabinet and I will serve Rose and lead us into a new era. Let us march forward hand in hand, united under the banner of Rose, and together, we shall reach for the stars!' New Rose Government: Emperor: Lucianus High Justice: Vexz Head of Foreign Affairs: Wasteking Head of Military Affairs: Diamondblocker Head of Economic Affairs: Jordan Head of Internal Affairs: Valkorion Baratheon Head of Technological Affairs: Mateus TLDR: Roses September 2023 elections have concluded, Lucianus is the new Emperor (leader) of Rose.

Alliances are organizing wars not to lose or to stalemate, but to win. There is rarely an offensive with the expectation that the attacking side is going to lose to war. If you declare a war, you want to win it. Regardless of the system, that basis of alliances acting in their own best interest, which they logically will do, is not going to change. Thus, alliances will have only one option to still guarantee a victory if blitz advantage is effectively eliminated, and that is to organize coalitions large enough to win counterblitzes. As a result, those counterblitzes won't be worth it as the attacking coalition will be large enough to win it, and thus, this new system, even though it wants to give an opportunity to fight back, will not achieve that. The main consequence of the beige changes is larger dogpiles, it's not extra opportunities to fight back.

So eehhh, where is the blitz advantage with idea 1 or 2?

I don't see the reason nor logic behind some of these requirements. Why is Advanced Urban Planning, a city cost reducing project, required for the surveillance network, a project that affects spies.

Interesting update. On Advanced Pirate Economy, it says you get +1% loot on both nation and alliance banks. So if a c3 raids, and wins, from someone in TKR, for example, that c3 normally would get 0.02% of the alliance bank, roughly. Would that be 1.02% or +5100%, for a c3 raiding someone from TKR? But if that same c3 raided and won from someone in a smaller alliance, let's say Eclipses training AA Apollo, that c3 would gain 0.4% of the alliance bank (roughly), and with this change it would be 1.4%. That results in an increase of 350%. You can see this is a huge change and not really balanced. Same is for attrition, ordinary or raid wars. In attrition, you loot 2.5% of a nation, but with this it would be 3.5%, so an increase of 40%. But for ordinary, it would be 6% instead of 5%, so an increase of 20% and for raid it would be 11% instead of 10%, so an increase of 10%. Instead of a vast +1% on everything, which is a bit unbalanced, could it be +10% beige loot (or +5% or +15% or any other number), both from nations and AA's, instead of giving just as much extra loot regardless of whether it's an attrition or a raid war.

Before we did that, large alliances had their milcom check militarization updates daily, and in other times more often then that. Basically we made a bot do what a human did before, but don't think people won't track militarization if the bots stop doing so. If the bots don't track militarization, Milcom departments will.

Come one, come all to try your luck at Rose's Casino Night! On December 11th at 3pm EST/8pm UTC/9pm CET(4 hours before standard Day Change), Rose will be hosting a casino night with poker and bingo! There will be both buy-in and non-buy in options. Poker is $10M with unlimited buy-ins, Bingo is $5M per card. Depending on how many interested people we have, we will also have a high-roller table of poker with $50M buy-ins. Here is the event link (which also is an invite to the Rose server): https://discord.gg/P2TS3ccvaY?event=909953828395315221 If you have any questions or would like to know more, feel free to DM either me or @Solomon Ben-David on discord. I hope to see all of you there!

Lucianus’ Era One fall night, in the planet of Zakuul; the crowds of Rosian’s gathered about the capital's town square. It was declaration night in Rose, a new leader would be chosen as the once former Eternal Emperor Valkorion Baratheon had chosen to no longer run this election. Many candidates had chosen to run this opportunity, many not aware that the Valkorion era would be no more; the chance to win it all was for everyone to take. The battle for the chance to be leader was tough, the people noticing the moment ahead of them, a chance for a new leader, a new future, it was all left to the candidates. The votes were in, the counting was finished, now we awaited for the palace doors to open, the future leader walking out. The crowd silenced as the doors started to open, when they had reached past midway in opening, a man appeared to walk towards the podium, a lady following to his side. The crowd seemed to be fully silent, not wishing to utter a word as the new Emperor took the podium. “You all voted for this future, a future under I, a future that will bring Rose into a new era, one that continues to grow internally. All of you formerly knew me as the Horizon Guard of MA, but today you'll all know me as Emperor Lucianus. I want you all to know that from this day forward, I'll do it all in my power to make true to my promises, and do what's best for our alliance, and it's members.” The crowd would not cheer, not because they didn't agree but weren't aware if the new found Emperor would enjoy such an act as he publicly addressed them. “As you all know, the government has not changed much. Familiar faces will return, I have High Justice Vexz to my right, our long standing High Justice will continue her efforts as my 2ic, during my era. We also have Solomon - Horizon Guard of IA, Callisto - Horizon Guard of EA, Exalts - Horizon Guard of TA, Harry - Horizon Guard of FA, who will also all be returning to their High Gov occupations. As you all know, my former position would become vacant if I had not found a replacement, but I'd like to introduce the newest addition to my cabinet, Potpie, who will be taking over my spot as Horizon Guard of MA.” This fall night had shaped up to be as grand as we all thought it to be. A new Eternal Emperor had been elected, his era seemed primed for success, his self drive and commitment were only a glimpse to the many attributes he would bring with him in his run as our Emperor. He would bring change that the people of Rose had voted him in for, a change that he promised and showed would be better for Rose. A new future awaited Rose, a future with Emperor Lucianus at the helm. The New Rose Government: Emperor: Lucianus High Justice: Vexz Horizon Guard of Foreign Affairs: Harry Flashman Horizon Guard of Military Affairs: Potpie Horizon Guard of Economic Affairs: Callisto Horizon Guard of Technological Affairs: Exalts Horizon Guard of Internal Affairs: Solomon Ben-David Tl;dr: The Rose elections have finished, Lucianus has been made the new Emperor (leader)

For tanks versus planes: I think a reduction in the damage tanks can do to planes is positive, but I would propose to use the same mechanism for this as is used for planes which target soldiers, tanks or ships. The way it works for planes is (attackers_planes - 0.5 * defenders_planes) * a factor that differs for each type of unit. I would propose to not do a strict reduction of 33%, but rather have defending tanks mean something and be able to reduce the amount of lost planes. So the formula becomes (attackers_tanks - 0.5 *defenders_tanks) * a factor. I would propose to use this formula instead of a 33% reduction rate, regardless of defending tanks. If the defender has just as much tanks as you do, there will be a 50% reduction in destroyed planes and if the defender has no tanks, the damage done by tanks will be the same as it is currently.

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Currently, the national project spy satellite makes all spy ops performed 50% stronger (50% more spy vs spy kills, 50% more tanks, planes, ships kills). I've heard from some people that the amount of spy kills in 1 damage is too high. Currently, it is possible to kill up to 29 spies (if you're lucky) with spy sat. Some argue this is too high, and I can understand the concerns around that. On the other hand, spy sattelite requires the project missile launch pad and space program. The cost of spy sat is quite substantial, as is the cost for the space program. Therefore, the project, which costs many project slots and is expensive, should have a significant advantage in the spy war, otherwise it's not worth the cost. I think it's a good solution to replace the 50% bonus from spy satellite with an extra spy op (from 2 to 3, provided you have intelligence agency). This solution reduces the problem of too many spies killed in 1 op, while keeping a significant advantage for those with spy satellite.

There are a few points I'd like to address, The most important one is that beige is based on the amount of infra (whether percentual or absolute) decides the amount of beige time. As a milcom head, I can say that I honestly don't care how much infrastructure there is destroyed in the cities of the enemy. Once a war starts both sides will go down to +-800 infra anyway, one side just takes a bit more time. The most important aspect to determine who is winning is the amount of troops both sides have, not the amount of infra. When this system is introduced, I can see that many nations will intentionally do attacks that are utter failures (even if they are on the winning side) to prevent to destroy infra. Another point is that it's easy to 'beat' the system. If you're the losing side and in need of beigetime, why not declare a few attrition wars that you know you're gonna lose, just so you can lose infra from there which is very cheap to rebuy once you're down to 700-1000 infra. Those attrition wars can give you a lot of beige time for almost no cost. Even though I seriously appreciate it that in this system there is no incentive to lose wars on purpose or to let them expire, there still is an incentive to not attack as good as you can or to declare wars with the intention of losing them, which does not sound good to me. Besides that, in the video you pointed out one of the problems was that it was helpful to declare on your allies in the old system to give them beige time. This is true and I agree that it should be fixed. However, I fail to see why the current system would fix that. As infra costs almost nothing once a nation is below 1000, what stops me from declaring on an ally and getting attacked with a lot of ships while on attrition to gain beige time? The rebuild cost for to rebuy from 500 to 1000 infra is 1.3-1.5M/city, so I could get my infra destroyed and thus a full rebuild for the cost of only 1.5M * cities. I would take that deal, hence not preventing this issue.

so I saw a suggestion to let you rebuild your army, all troops, in 3 days. I think this is a very bad idea. At day change, you can rebuild in a double buy 73.3% of your planes (current is 36.6%. I focus this on planes cause they are the most powerful unit. If you can rebuild 73.3% of your planes in a double buy you make it impossible for all small nations to ever succesfully fight against whales. By doing this, you make sure that the whales become overpowered and all wars are basically won with just the whales, cause they can win all wars against smaller nations. For example, if you attack with 3 c25 cities on a c30, currently it's a hard fight, but in some ways possible to win, and that should be the case. With this update, even if the initial attack went well for the attackers, the whale can just rebuild and keep all three c25 nations down. The city count becomes much more important and succesfull declares on nations that does have a higher city count becomes impossible, so basically the game will be dominated by whales if this happens. Also, I think the system with spies works good as it is now. If you have all 3 spy projects you can rebuild 4 spies a day and it shouldn't be higher, case otherwise all spy ops have to be used for spy vs spy and will almost never be used to destroy other units, which defeats the purpose of the spies. Furthermore, to do something that makes planes less overpowered can be interesting.