James Gordon Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Just curious, i'm not a Socialist myself but I do lean more left than the average American. Will the Socialist International be remade? If so, when? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shylock Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 "Lean left more than the average American" That isn't saying much. 1 Quote I am a Dioist. Hath not a Dioist eyes? Hath not a Dioist hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer as a Pig Disgusting Swede is? If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that. If a Dioist wrong a Pig Disgusting Swede, what is his humility? Revenge. If a Pig Disgusting Swede wrongs a Dioist, what should his sufferance be by Pig Disgusting Swede example? Why, revenge. The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Gordon Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 "Lean left more than the average American" That isn't saying much. True. It's intentionally vague. I agree with leftist stuff but i'm more what early French Philosophers would call a Social-Nationalist. But I also have some Gaddafist, Italian Fascist, Third Wayist and Syndicalist views. So, yeah. Intentionally vague. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avruch Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Hmm, national socialism and Italian fascism... Where have I heard that before... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Just curious, i'm not a Socialist myself but I do lean more left than the average American. Will the Socialist International be remade? If so, when? I hope not. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fistofdoom Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 We should give feudalism a second go. 3 Quote 01:05:55 <%fistofdoom> im out of wine 01:06:03 <%fistofdoom> i winsih i had port 01:06:39 <@JoshF{BoC}> fistofdoom: is the snowman drunk with you 01:07:32 <%fistofdoom> i knet i forgot somehnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur James Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 A Goth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Gordon Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 Hmm, national socialism and Italian fascism... Where have I heard that before... I never said National Socialism, I strongly disagree with Hitlerian Antisemitism and "Struggle of Race". Social-Nationalism means you agree with a Nationalistic but populist society. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Gordon Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 A Goth? What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 I never said National Socialism, I strongly disagree with Hitlerian Antisemitism and "Struggle of Race". Social-Nationalism means you agree with a Nationalistic but populist society. Social Nationalism is the precursor ideas of fascism and is synonymous with Nazism. Pretty much every "Social Nationalist" party ever are pretty much a bunch of racists and Nazi lovers. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Gordon Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 Social Nationalism is the precursor ideas of fascism and is synonymous with Nazism. Pretty much every "Social Nationalist" party ever are pretty much a bunch of racists and !@#$ lovers. Well I go with the original framework of the term by Georges Sorel who was the original framer of Fascism. But yes sadly it has brought it's way to Nazism. But, Nazism and Fascism are very different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigInZen Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 We should give feudalism a second go. The first go never stopped. Just travel to a few Persian Gulf states, it's alive and well. Quote Priest of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur James Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 I wonder you may related to National Socialism of German, anyway...yeah we know now. Socialist international is based on the extenal form of Communism, so you may make another on based on Italian, Gaddafi one despite the Uncle Sam have a right view on one and wrong on the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Well I go with the original framework of the term by Georges Sorel who was the original framer of Fascism. But yes sadly it has brought it's way to Nazism. But, Nazism and Fascism are very different. Nazism is fascism. And if you're a fan of fascism, you wouldn't have fit in at Socialist International. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Gordon Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Nazism is fascism. And if you're a fan of fascism, you wouldn't have fit in at Socialist International. Have no intention to go into a debate, but no Fascism is different from National Socialism. I do not agree with Fascism as a hole, but I do agree with parts of it such as Greater Cultural Nationalism, National Corporative Syndicalism, Idealism and Cultural Struggle. Edited May 6, 2015 by Washatonia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varspasian Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 National Socialism and Fascism are two different things. They are more like cousins, while socialism and communism would be like siblings. Fascism ftw 2 Quote THE FASCIST REPUBLIC OF SILISTRIOUS THE REAL P&W FASCIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Gordon Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 National Socialism and Fascism are two different things. They are more like cousins, while socialism and communism would be like siblings. Fascism ftw Thank you. Nazism may have taken things from Fascism but Socially and Economically they where very different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Have no intention to go into a debate, but no Fascism is different from National Socialism. I do not agree with Fascism as a hole, but I do agree with parts of it such as Greater Cultural Nationalism, National Corporative Syndicalism, Idealism and Cultural Struggle. You probably wouldn't have ever made it into SI. Most people there were anti-fa. National Socialism and Fascism are two different things. They are more like cousins, while socialism and communism would be like siblings. Fascism ftw Nazism (/ˈnaËtsɪzᵊm/ or National Socialism in full[1] (German: Nationalsozialismus), was the ideology and practice of the German Nazi Party and state. Usually characterised as an offshoot of fascism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism It's a type of Fascism. Thank you. Nazism may have taken things from Fascism but Socially and Economically they where very different. They were identical. Nazism may have put more focus on race, but if you read Hitlers (Mussolini was basically his mentor) writings, it becomes clear that Nazi ideology is actually more about culture than it is race. As if Hitler wanted to focus on race, but had to be a bit more "open" as to not completely lose support. Just read Mein Kampf, chapter: Race and People. It's the ramblings of a culture obsessed fascist more than a racist. The race comes into play in the sense that he believed the culture itself is derived from and dependent on the race/genes. Nazism is certainly it's own thing, but it's still fascism. Just like Italian fascism and Spanish fascism were different. Overall, all the fascist movements had their differences, but I think we can still cal all of them fascist. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Gordon Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 You probably wouldn't have ever made it into SI. Most people there were anti-fa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism It's a type of Fascism. They were identical. Nazism may have put more focus on race, but if you read Hitlers (Mussolini was basically his mentor) writings, it becomes clear that !@#$ ideology is actually more about culture than it is race. As if Hitler wanted to focus on race, but had to be a bit more "open" as to not completely lose support. Just read Mein Kampf, chapter: Race and People. It's the ramblings of a culture obsessed fascist more than a racist. The race comes into play in the sense that he believed the culture itself is derived from and dependent on the race/genes. Nazism is certainly it's own thing, but it's still fascism. Just like Italian fascism and Spanish fascism were different. Overall, all the fascist movements had their differences, but I think we can still cal all of them fascist. Ha no, i'll say it this way. Fascism believes in Economically, National Corporative Syndicalism, Socially, Struggle of Culture(I can go more in detail if you would like). National Socialism believes in Economically, Nothing, they had no economic theory, Socially, Struggle of Race. So no National Socialism is not the same, but all Fascist [so far] ideologies such as Italian Fascism, Mosleyism, Peronism, Integralism and Falangism are Fascism because they follow the Cultural Struggle and National Corportative Syndicalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Fifths Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Arrgh! Anarchy Quote "In an honest service there is thin commons, low wages, and hard labor; in this, plenty and satiety, pleasure and ease, liberty and power; and who would not balance creditor on this side, when all the hazard that is run for it, at worst, is only a sour look or two at choking. No, a merry life and a short one, shall be my motto." - Bartholomew "Black Bart" Roberts Green Enforcement Agency will rise again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Ha no, i'll say it this way. Fascism believes in Economically, National Corporative Syndicalism, Socially, Struggle of Culture(I can go more in detail if you would like). National Socialism believes in Economically, Nothing, they had no economic theory, Socially, Struggle of Race. So no National Socialism is not the same, but all Fascist [so far] ideologies such as Italian Fascism, Mosleyism, Peronism, Integralism and Falangism are Fascism because they follow the Cultural Struggle and National Corportative Syndicalism. No, Nazism does have economic beliefs identical to fascism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Economics In the end, the general idea of both was to reject the class conflict and unite the nations classes into a conflict of culture. Nazism was about a struggle of culture. This is why they didn't simply exterminate anyone who wasn't German. This is why Ahnenerbe spent so much time exploring India and learning Hindu culture. It's why the Nazis were allied to an Asian country that most would think they would rather exterminate. In fact, I think Hitler and the Nazis in general spoke far more about culture than race. 2 Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fistofdoom Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 feu-dal-is-m feu-dal-is-m Quote 01:05:55 <%fistofdoom> im out of wine 01:06:03 <%fistofdoom> i winsih i had port 01:06:39 <@JoshF{BoC}> fistofdoom: is the snowman drunk with you 01:07:32 <%fistofdoom> i knet i forgot somehnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livius Clades Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 I'll just remain a Monarch. Quote Fire is nice eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 We should give feudalism a second go. Feudalism never really existed as people think it did Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Arrgh! Anarchy Unironically this. The reason SI doesn't exist right now as a quasi-anarchic workers collective is because Arrgh! already created one and I didn't see a point in existing separately as a smaller alliance entity. SI is never coming back; it is dead and it should stay that way. It is possible that others who were there might, eventually, want to see the alliance make a return, but I have no plans for it and I mainly see it as a fun relic of the past to be learned from; much the same way I view the Leninist/Stalinist/Maoist theorizing that it was themed on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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