Franz Von Dietrich Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) I've got tired of people getting these terms wrong. First off, Socialism can go into many ways, but mainly it's a leftist idealogy. USSR, China, Vietnam and Laos, are all Socialist and examples of Socialist nations. Communism should be considered Anarchy the way, it has been given, "stateless society" "classless society" So furthermore, Socialism in General is not bloody Communism, it may associate with it, but it isn't Edited April 27, 2016 by Comrade Enver Hoxha 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirohito Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) I've got tired of people getting these terms wrong. First off, Socialism can go into many ways, but mainly it's a leftist idealogy. USSR, China, Vietnam and Laos, are all Socialist and examples of Socialist nations. Communism should be considered Anarchy the way, it has been given, "stateless society" "classless society" So furthermore, Socialism in General is not bloody Communism, it may associate with it, but it isn't ~I do not believe in these idealogys nor like them, I'm a hardcore Fascist, just wanted to get the true meaning of them set out.~ None of the examples you've given are even remotely Socialist. For example, the Soviet Union was a State Capitalist society. In the Marxist sense, Socialism is merely a transitional form of Communism, and is only meant to be temporary. Edited February 10, 2015 by Sindorin 1 Quote Grand Moff Hirohito of Dromund Kaas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speaker Faris Wheeler Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 And China is Communist, while Barrack Obama is Anarcho-Communist Quote Peace will never be accomplished without war, but war cannot happen without peace.... or something like that idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hysteria Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) In a way, communism is an extreme form of socialism. Many countries have dominant socialist political parties but very few are truly communist. In fact, most countries - including staunch capitalist bastions like the U.S. and U.K. - have government programs that borrow from socialist principles. "Socialism" is sometimes used interchangeably with "communism" but the two philosophies have some stark differences. Most notably, while communism is a political system, socialism is primarily an economic system that can exist in various forms under a wide range of political systems.In a way, communism is an extreme form of socialism. Many countries have dominant socialist political parties but very few are truly communist. In fact, most countries - including staunch capitalist bastions like the U.S. and U.K. - have government programs that borrow from socialist principles. "Socialism" is sometimes used interchangeably with "communism" but the two philosophies have some stark differences. Most notably, while communism is a political system, socialism is primarily an economic system that can exist in various forms under a wide range of political systems. Edited February 10, 2015 by Hysteria Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio º¤ø„¤¤º°¨ ø„¸¸„¨ ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸ GOD EMPEROR DIO BRANDO¨°º¤ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸ DIO BRANDO GOD EMPEROR¨°º¤ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¤¤º°¨ ø„¸¸„¨ ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 ...~I do not believe in these idealogys nor like them I can understand you not liking them but I don't see how you can can question the existence of ideologies. Also, what are we debating here? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speaker Faris Wheeler Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I can understand you not liking them but I don't see how you can can question the existence of ideologies. Also, what are we debating here? Remember, my friend. This is Francisco Franco talking Quote Peace will never be accomplished without war, but war cannot happen without peace.... or something like that idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy,[1][2] as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.[3][4] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these.[5] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.[6] They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets or planning, how management is to be organised within productive institutions, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.[7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism Communism (from Latin communis – common, universal)[1][2] is a socioeconomic system structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and characterized by the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state; as well as a social, political and economic ideology and movement that aims to establish this social order. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism Franco is correct. Socialism comes in many forms. Despite what specific socialists think it is, other socialists have their very own definition. Socialism is broad term that is used to describe a number of different economic ideas. None of the examples you've given are even remotely Socialist. For example, the Soviet Union was a State Capitalist society. In the Marxist sense, Socialism is merely a transitional form of Communism, and is only meant to be temporary. No... That's ONLY if you're going by the Marx idea. Marx did not invent socialism so he has no room to twist it into his own definition. The USSR was socialist, depite anything Marx said. In a way, communism is an extreme form of socialism. Many countries have dominant socialist political parties but very few are truly communist. In fact, most countries - including staunch capitalist bastions like the U.S. and U.K. - have government programs that borrow from socialist principles. "Socialism" is sometimes used interchangeably with "communism" but the two philosophies have some stark differences. Most notably, while communism is a political system, socialism is primarily an economic system that can exist in various forms under a wide range of political systems.In a way, communism is an extreme form of socialism. Many countries have dominant socialist political parties but very few are truly communist. In fact, most countries - including staunch capitalist bastions like the U.S. and U.K. - have government programs that borrow from socialist principles. "Socialism" is sometimes used interchangeably with "communism" but the two philosophies have some stark differences. Most notably, while communism is a political system, socialism is primarily an economic system that can exist in various forms under a wide range of political systems. :facepalm: 1 Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placentica Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) In the US, democracy is the same as socialism....amirite?????? Edited February 11, 2015 by Placentica Quote Hello! If you don't like this post please go here: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=usercp&tab=core&area=ignoredusers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fistofdoom Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 theocracy ftw 1 Quote 01:05:55 <%fistofdoom> im out of wine 01:06:03 <%fistofdoom> i winsih i had port 01:06:39 <@JoshF{BoC}> fistofdoom: is the snowman drunk with you 01:07:32 <%fistofdoom> i knet i forgot somehnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur James Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) theocracy? there isn't a deity in the system of communism or socialism. A pure form of communism won't exist today, and its absence value of money for means of production of productivity, it isn't bad ideology when inequality of money and utilize both rich and poor to work together. maybe you are referred to National socialism of Germany(Race conflict), and Socialist communism (class confliict), they have many things different but both have common goals together. Edited February 11, 2015 by Arthur James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Von Dietrich Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 For all wondering what the "debate is" it's basically if you disagree or agree that Socialism is Communism, and have the facts to prove it. I only made this thread, so something interesting in debate will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Von Dietrich Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) theocracy? there isn't a deity in the system of communism or socialism. A pure form of communism won't exist today, and its absence value of money for means of production of productivity, it isn't bad ideology when inequality of money and utilize both rich and poor to work together. maybe you are referred to National socialism of Germany(Race conflict), and Socialist communism (class confliict), they have many things different but both have common goals together. Communism only works on paper, my dear. If it worked in the real world, life might just MIGHT be better. (I made a second post, due to it not letting me put the quote in my previous comment/post) Edited February 11, 2015 by Francisco Franco 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Juan Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 None of the examples you've given are even remotely Socialist. For example, the Soviet Union was a State Capitalist society. In the Marxist sense, Socialism is merely a transitional form of Communism, and is only meant to be temporary.Give him some credit, it's pretty good for someone who doesn't agree with those views to have a decent understanding of them. Also state capitalism I would say is within the bounds of socialism if it's a corrupt state. Although China allows proper capitalism (to an extent) now, there's still quite a bit of state capitalism mixed in with their socialism. Although many call them communists, as the OP stated, true communism requires anarchy and statelessness, which is where the ideology falls flat on its face due to human nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Von Dietrich Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 Give him some credit, it's pretty good for someone who doesn't agree with those views to have a decent understanding of them. Also state capitalism I would say is within the bounds of socialism if it's a corrupt state. Although China allows proper capitalism (to an extent) now, there's still quite a bit of state capitalism mixed in with their socialism. Although many call them communists, as the OP stated, true communism requires anarchy and statelessness, which is where the ideology falls flat on its face due to human nature. Marxist Communism is basically Anarchy, the way it is explained. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Juan Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Marxist Communism is basically Anarchy, the way it is explained.An idealistic utopian one, at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Von Dietrich Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 An idealistic utopian one, at that. Idealisitic? Yes, something the world or the Human race can get? No, like many people said, the Human Mind doesn't accept it. But, due to me being a Fascist, I know for sure it can't happen, due to it being something called "outdated". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) Idealisitic? Yes, something the world or the Human race can get? No, like many people said, the Human Mind doesn't accept it. But, due to me being a Fascist, I know for sure it can't happen, due to it being something called "outdated". You could not possibly know such a thing, and stating you do speaks volumes of your arrogance and ignorance. But I suppose one should expect such from a fascist Edited February 11, 2015 by Big Brother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirohito Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) No... That's ONLY if you're going by the Marx idea. Marx did not invent socialism so he has no room to twist it into his own definition. The USSR was socialist, depite anything Marx said. Exactly, which is why I expressly said: In the Marxist sense, Socialism is... Edited February 12, 2015 by Sindorin Quote Grand Moff Hirohito of Dromund Kaas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobeard Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I like anarcho-statism Quote "Damnation seize my soul if I give you quarters, or take any from you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I like anarcho-statism Sounds legit. 1 Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirohito Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Sounds legit. So I take it you edited your earlier post? Quote Grand Moff Hirohito of Dromund Kaas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 So I take it you edited your earlier post? No I did not. Why? Or is this a misunderstanding of sarcasm? Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirohito Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 No I did not. Why? Or is this a misunderstanding of sarcasm? No, I just figured since you misunderstood when I expressly said in the marxist sense socialism is... You might want to edit that, since the basis of your rebuttal is based on a falsehood. That's all. Quote Grand Moff Hirohito of Dromund Kaas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 No, I just figured since you misunderstood when I expressly said in the marxist sense socialism is... You might want to edit that, since the basis of your rebuttal is based on a falsehood. That's all. What's been said is already said. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirohito Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 What's been said is already said. Now I'm just jerking your chain, Comrade. Quote Grand Moff Hirohito of Dromund Kaas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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