Remove Espionage on Beige Nations

[Shakyr]

Can we both remove the ability to unleash espionage attacks against beige nations and also in turn remove the ability for beige nations to unleash espionage attacks (as this makes things fair)

It's meant to be a safe zone to recover from wars and warlike activity, but currently it is not.

[Pyotr Senik]

I feel like the point of espionage is to get through safe zones though...

And espionage is already so limited

Edited May 6, 2023 by President Velikov

[Shakyr]

There is no point to espionage, it's a headless chicken, running around the yard making a mess (see other topics for a discussion around espionage).

The point of beige though, is to be a safe zone for you to recover (or to be protected if you are new).

You can't recover if you're constantly harrassed by espionage attacks.

Additionally, does it make sense that it's possible to have a low score nation, harrass new nations with espionage attacks, who are in their initial "safe" beige period? I know that would drive me to quit a game before I started.

Edited June 18, 2023 by Shakyr

[dtc justice]

4 hours ago, Shakyr said:

There is no point to espionage, it's a headless chicken, running around the yard making a mess (see other topics for a discussion around beige).

The point of beige though, is to be a safe zone for you to recover (or to be protected if you are new).

You can't recover if you're constantly harrassed by espionage attacks.

Additionally, does it make sense that it's possible to have a low score nation, harrass new nations with espionage attacks, who are in their initial "safe" beige period? I know that would drive me to quit a game before I started.

If you think spying is  headless chicken then you really are still in the dark on how alliances should be spying 

 

Do you ever get tired of making these same posts every war? 

[Kadin]

I could be wrong, but I think it used to be like this, and got changed? 

[Shakyr]

On 5/7/2023 at 1:40 AM, dtc justice said:

Do you ever get tired of making these same posts every war? 

Do you ever get tired of making negative posts to changes? You should try and post something constructive, more inline with the ideals of this forum.

On 5/7/2023 at 12:10 PM, Kadin said:

I could be wrong, but I think it used to be like this, and got changed? 

Not that I've ever noticed. Happy to be proven wrong though, if someone can show me a changelog.

[Alex]

I don't think it's a bad idea, but it might be problematic for a nation that is in beige but still has active wars. Preventing them from being spied or, or them spying on their opponents, may cause the opposite result of the intention of the suggestion.

[Jacob Knox]

23 hours ago, Alex said:

I don't think it's a bad idea, but it might be problematic for a nation that is in beige but still has active wars. Preventing them from being spied or, or them spying on their opponents, may cause the opposite result of the intention of the suggestion.

Isn't part of the upcoming war changes that beige won't start reducing until all wars have finished? Perhaps a solution to the issue you bring up here is to not block spying until beige starts reducing?