Sketchy

So your logic is "Ok you actually beat us but why not accept terms lesser than what you fought and bled for just because we are too stubborn to face reality". I never claimed IQ alone was posturing rofl. Both sides were, the only difference being IQ was posturing while losing and we were posturing while winning, As for spite, I was referring to the basis of you continuing the war. Some alliances from both sides were having it out on the forums over their respective grievances. YOU: Wants an unearned white peace in a war you've been losing since round 1 and have made absolutely no ground in where 5 alliances have peaced out from. US: Instead of pressing for reps for beating an aggressor, all we wanted is an admission of defeat, or more accurately, an admission of reality.

Are you kidding? US: came to the table hoping to resolve the conflict peacefully and avoid grudge matches like a month ago now. At the time we were winning by every metric, your initial efforts had failed miserably. YOU: "We will not accept punitive terms or reparations". US: Fine. So we request an admission of surrender with no punitive terms or reparations. YOU: Trolling the peace chats, posturing (despite the fact you were losing), and saying "we will not admit defeat". US: Fine. It was early in the war, you still felt you had the chance to turn the tide against us. So time goes by, and you've still made no real progress towards actually turning the tide in your favor. You've yet to pin t$, the alliance you put 7 alliances on, you've yet to secure the mid tier (or the lower tier in some fronts) and the economic gap is widening. YOU: Try to poach our members into a prisoner alliance, using some rather deceptive messages to do so, and you continued to insist you'll turn the tide in your favor. YOU: Suddenly in a brilliant gesture of generosity, "admit defeat in the upper tier" effectively trying to play word games in order to get white peace. US: Yer no, you hit us and you are losing, and you should just admit it and accept defeat. YOU: Since then you've tried to rewrite and reword the peace terms, all some form or variation of white peace, despite not actually being in a position to do so. YOU: Yet again, in a sudden show of pretend generosity, you offer to concede to us on the terms that we A: Legitimize your stupid CB B: Admit that we only won by a "narrow victory". US: Your CB was bs, and this wasn't a narrow victory. YOU: Rage quit the peace talks. CONCLUSION: You are defeated. You know you are defeated. We know you are defeated. 90% of the game knows you are defeated. You are choosing to drag this out because you'd rather spite us and not admit this, at the expense of your own members and ours, then admit it and concede. Also I find it amusing that you cite "demoralizing/humiliating the opponent" and "triumphalism" when IQ postured just as much and attempted to do all the same things (prisoner alliance much?). The reason we want you to admit defeat is because we defeated you. Not because of the silly motivations you've thought up in your head.

I'm pretty sure they are designed on purpose to be minimum of 3 rather than 5. All this does is ruin comebacks.

So HBE is at least admitting they are scum now, if not a month or so late.

nah fam, we just knocked your shit in so badly you can't hit up at us anymore.

HBE was just pretending to honor their treaties.

The old spectrum flag was better. Cool treaty tho.

No.

You should start the poll now before the placeholder name sticks like it did in Silent War.

I changed my mind. This.

Valkyrie, quick one of them escaped!

https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/19365-master-baiter-worlds-dumbest-criminals/ My work is done here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC4zoK0UY7Y For those of you who hadn't noticed, Ragnaroks bank was recently stolen. BUT NEVER FEAR. THE GAME IS AFOOT. MY INGENIOUS PLAN WORKED. I have returned the money to Ragnarok. I did it for the lulz.

Send me 200m and I'll protect you for the lulz.

I didn't quote you so I was confused and thought you meant Roq/Kastor. I mean the formation of IQ was a good thing for politics, I never claimed otherwise, but forming IQ and creating a polarized bipolar state of politics via drama and grudges are two entirely different things. Bipolarity is only "dynamic" if people aren't so polarized for/against their side that they are locked into it. And that is the state of politics we had for ages. Personally I think everyone needs to take a chill pill lol.

No it wasn't? Lol We were talking about two entirely different things

I wasn't referring to the war, I was referring to all the shit surrounding it. The war itself might have needed to happen but it could have happened without a lot of the shit slinging and grudge match bs. Ultimately if it continues we'll just end up back where we were a year ago with Paracov vs t$-oo.

Idk about Arrgh, but HBE clearly picked a side. Declaring on both sides in defense of your allies and then focusing 90% of your attention on a 3rd target they weren't obligated to enter against is about as clear as it gets. https://politicsandwar.com/alliance/id=2570&display=war

I'd argue they made politics less dynamic and more bipolar and regressed us back to where we were last year. Especially with the way they acted in the peace talks + these mass messages + the shit-slinging and general butthurt. As far as changing the polarizing state of politics, prior to this war we had probably the longest stretch of peace in ages and politics was not all that polarizing. Also there is no "dominant" side as far as the numbers go. Both sides were fairly even this war, much more even than any war we've had for a very long time, IQ had more nations, more score, more lower tier and mid tier nations, while Syndi-sphere had more upper tier.

I mean, there is also lost income, which is considerably worse on the side full of lower tier that are built to max/high military with low infra and in some cases no commerce. As opposed to the side with untouched/not too damaged upper tier who can afford to sit at max military and still produce a decent amount of income. In a war of attrition, we have the bigger stockpiles, the better income. If IQ has any hope turning the tide its gonna be by doing alot of damage in a short amount of time not dragging it out forever, each day just increases the economic gap between us. But if they think not taking the L is worth that then good luck. They were offered peace without any terms at all besides admitting defeat and chose to turn that down in favor of white peace they hadn't earned, whilst trolling and posting mass poaching messages. Its almost like IQ WANT this to become a grudge match. Seems rather counter-intuitive to the claims of wanting to "change the game" when all you are doing is regressing us back to how things were when Paracov and t$-OO were fighting eachother over and over.

Both.

We got gud.

The reason the net values are decreasing is because we can only clap you so hard before we are beating a dead horse.