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You can’t say “we have and continue to try to maintain peace”…. You literally declared wars 36-hours ago and made this threatening post. My mind is blown to see such obvious false statements. And this supposed “offer for peace” has repeatedly been to tell all parties to leave Gold (except now you’ll let TGH stay, so gracious of you 🙏🏼) and forget about EVH’s threats to TGH-ANT-THT and attack on THT. You wouldn’t even have to make an “offer for peace” if you didn’t start declaring wars and not actually maintain peace, would you? 🤦🏻‍♂️

You can’t help yourself but throw punches when the other side has no chance, can you? It’s 287 vs 37 Are you still mad all those guys in THT don’t want to play in your team?

1. THT didn’t attempt to tank Gold. There’s no evidence to support that. Just as I don’t entertain this idea that EVH went to Gold to spite TGH. You won’t hear me speak that narrative. 2. “The Baba Yaga” is protected by TGH, THT, and AA — because it offshores for all of them. You know Borg? He offshores for a lot of people, too. (And he also happens to be TGH IA just as I am TGH 2iC/Econ Head). Prots of TGH and AA were covered under the NAP. You can’t conveniently cross those out to create a narrative to justify attacking me — and then push the blame back on me when you get caught violating the term. Gaslighting at its finest. 3. I haven’t been leading THT since the GW34 conflict began. I was in the process before THT got attacked of transitioning to TGH. That’s why I signed the GW34 NAP under TGH, and it’s why THT wasn’t part of the negotiations or a signatory of the NAP. Same reason as I have no control of THT’s FA, nor any visibility to their FA embassies on their own server or any other alliance’s server. That’s all handled by House Reyne. Just because I quietly took my leave and didn’t wish to attract attention doesn’t mean it should be used to discredit me several months later.

First, gold is a brand new color. It’s as free as any color to occupy and attempt to benefit from its bonus — which was maxed out with TGH, EVH, and THT all occupying it (also Laboratory). Second, EVH claims they were there first and called “dibs”. Several TGH members, myself included, were there in the first hour of the color’s launch and for at least two-turns the color was named “Khan’s Golden Horde “ before “EVH Gold”. In fact, Laboratory may have even beaten everyone to Gold — yet no one from EVH or Spectre is trying to push them off, are they? Third, EVH acted shocked that TGH would inhabit a color that shares its name and refused to coexist on Gold as TGH diplomatically proposed. They would approach other alliances about the matter and then when confronted by Kastor in our embassy were absolutely dismissive, but did threaten (and admitted to threatening) THT if they did not leave the color in 14-days. Yet not even 48-hours later they just decided to rail THT with a 287 (EVH-Spectre-Darkside) vs 37 (THT) “attempt to police Gold”. They have now changed their stance publicly to say they are fine with sharing Gold with TGH — after this circus, but not without also now claiming TGH is violating an imaginary NAP term and being aggressive by joining a newly created color + claiming TGH wants to destroy the bonus of the very same color it occupies

Our alliance is literally called The Golden Horde, if you don’t realize… My nation and offshore was one of the first 10 nations to join Gold (before EVH), within the hour the colors were announced. It should also be mentioned that TGH, EVH, and THT combined maintained the $175k max turn bonus. So this is not about anything more than attempting to assert dominance purely for sport on the part of EVH. We remain open to coexisting on the color, if EVH chooses to remain on gold, which was our stance from the beginning.

You make my head hurt, man... 🤯

So…it’s….just….over?

Idea 1 is fine. Switching cost savings for an additional rebuy buff is more effective for players to understand. Idea 2 could be simplified by simply using a 30-day rolling model tied to a modifier on gross income. Example, nations get -0.25% per day of peace and +0.25% per day when completing wars. Thst would create a potential 107.5% cap and 92.5% low for daily gross income. Idea 3 is a bad idea. We already have issues of it being so easy as a raider to shave score and massively downdeclare with next to no infra to hit someone. Capping military at lower limits will actually cause additional downdeclaring potential. Cities and military should impact score the most because they really do dictate war strength. If you were worried about war costs, then just lessen the unit costs or revert them back to their previous values before research was added. I’m disappointed you haven’t mentioned anything about revamping the spying mechanics. That’s been something several threads and conversations have continued to take issue with. Just a few modifications to that system could make it much more effective.

You do realize your now protectorate (TAO/Cybertron) did exactly that same thing to involve itself in conflict with THT back in December? They signed your other now prot (Shadow Valley) and tried to enforce an NAP which THT had with TAO/Camelot, and then escalated a conflict crying foul the whole time. Lol. I simply just enjoy watching selective applications of logic when it’s convenient. It’s also why I’m a fan of public FA. Theater in front of a large audience. 🍿

So doesn’t that then apply to your argument about Shadow Valley being spied by Rose allegedly? You have an NAP with Rose, but they don’t have an NAP with Shadow Valley (or MoO) by your own words above. 🤔

So does this mean Spectre will stop its protectorate (Mercenaries of Orbis) from attacking alliances (or protectorates of those alliances) which Spectre has an existing NAP with? ((Holding out microphone for comment))

Disable running spy ops while beige (offensive and defensive). Buff the rebuy for spies while beige like we do other military units. Those simple adjustments alone will improve spy usage and address the annoyances many people have. You shouldn’t be able to be spy wiped in less than 2-days but need 20 days to max rebuy (assuming you don’t get constantly wiped as you try to rebuy).

10 YEARS! Congrats.

The victim mentality and propaganda gets so old. People are critiquing and counting nations that leave/delete Camelot and Samurai to show the impact your decision making has led to. No one wants these players to quit the game or delete. However, alliance members speak their voice with loyalty or dissent. It’s may be time to admit the fault in your actions and the position you put the members of both your alliances into by squandering their finances and violating an NAP because of your own trademark paranoia and propaganda. But, if it’s more important to you to “be right” than to be humble enough to admit your mistake, then the end result will be what it is. You can’t simply shift blame to those who opposes what you did, and gaslight them for your current self-imposed reality. Actions have consequences.

So the UN concept was a good idea…. Until it punished Camelot for its actions? 🤦🏻‍♂️

…Or there could just be no debate at this point and Cam/Sam could continue their epic raiding adventure and we’ll see how this all ends. 🤷🏻‍♂️

This is truly the 2:42 TLDR version of recent events. 🏆

lol. I guess we were overdue for a rebrand from this group.

Huh? He can both stream it and record it to save on his YouTube channel. So you can’t suggest it gets altered, censored, etc.

Epi’s ability to stream his own device on YouTube has nothing to do with someone else (the moderator) controlling the Debate Audio platform.

Did you just use the classic media example where some reporter calls to ask for an interview on short notice and the person they ask isn’t available to comment? So it gets used against them? 😂 (I’m loving this whole saga, honestly.)

That was what Kev was doing… But Epi feels the need to control this from his side, which is completely defeating the purpose of having a debate if he’s going to try to get “home field advantage”

Why would one party participating in the debate be allowed to control the platform? 🤦🏻‍♂️

I found this in a public restroom today. This may be the answer Epi needs.

You would have been better off staying silent. Like I told you in DMs, it’s hard to justify actions when the side who is claiming to be valid hasn’t presented more than “we know this is happening” and can’t actually produce proof. Instead, they’re relying on the other side to proof them wrong. It’s completely illogical.