Pangui

Lol whatever

You shouldn't raid us to begin with. The reason you got away with it was because their where high city count nations with max out nations who where out of range of nations with comparable city counts and could run rampant in the middle and lower tier. The only nations that could of struck them was nations with 4, 5 or even 6 less cities. You can raid anyone you wish so long as it didn't touch on the listed alliances. You're government also agreed to the terms, without much debate. You are attacking us now because you believe we can't do anything about it. You know that if we weren't at war you could get away with it since we would beat your ass down like we did before, even though you got the advantage of hitting us first. You don't like the terms? Don't start wars you can't win.

Accepting a contract is still a choice...

This is the 3rd time that Arrgh has chosen to attack UPN. UPN has yet to declare an aggressive war on Arrgh.

I'm aware, but DEIC was demonized for it, but now that the script is flipped it is okay.

Care to explain the difference? UPN saw tS and her new allies as a threat. UPN preemptively strikes tS and withholds it from BK. tS now sees UPN and NPO as a threat and launches a preemptive strike to take them out. BK withholds this from UPN. DEIC even planned on the strike to hit their ally SK, and BK planned a strike that involved someone hitting their MD level ally, UPN.

They knew UPN was going to be attacked. UPN has never planned a war in which BK was going to be hit aggressively. I've never been in a channel where people have discussed hitting BK in even defense.

Kinda like how tS was pissy when we declared on you after you signed with SK and Guardian? Get over yourself.

Yea, because I told BK that if anything where to happen to NPO, UPN planned on defending them. Then I wasn't even given a heads up that might put us at odds. Just "Ok, we will take this to our gov"

I'll repeat. UPN activated its oAP of the MDoAP with VE to enter the war.

SK attacked NAC with "our side vs there side". If NAC is on "otherside" so are we. TKR was an alliance on that otherside, we answered the oAP part of our MDoAP with VE to hit them. NAC did not activate the treaty, but declaring on them meant that we wouldn't stand still. When I asked BK why they where militizing, I was told for defensive purposes. I won't log dump because I don't sell people out, but BK flat out lied when I told them what our plan of action was for this upcoming conflict. You can bring up historical events, but UPN attempted to be proactive, and I was met with a flat out lie, and apparently a planned attack.

It hasn't. UPN has never planned an aggressive war against BK itself. Oktoberfest we warred tS, not BK, and we didn't want BK to burn. Bored War we answered the call of our ally in VE, and our hand was forced when our ally got declared on. Arrgh War BK ignores us completely when we are preemptively hit by Arrgh. Now they plan a war in which UPN is on of the targets. So it's unfornuate.

sad to see this happen.

Polaris <3 Unfornuate that this has to be your first war, but can't say I'm sad you joined. You've proven yourselves to an honorable and dedicated bunch. o/

You missed the part before that. "if they attack our allies "

That screenshot literally shows Hans saying that he is trying to avoid this from happening. Hans was addressing our members on the current political climate, which was pretty accurate. I really want to know what part of that screenshot you saw as threatening.

nou

I was kinda sad I wan't included in the initial wave, but you boys did get to me. Been over a year since I fought you guys, it was a pleasure last time, I suspect it will be again.

The person that we elected that you viewed as hostile(Hans) attempted to sue for peace before this conflict occurred. You are simply assuming things, and not judging us off our actions. I stated in your embassy that this treaty had nothing to do with the war in (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn&#39;t be bringing it up anyways)(which has absolutely nothing to do with Orbis). I called for the mobilization of UPN due to a scenario like this occurring. I knew that NPO could be hit, and I knew that UPN could do included in that as well. You made UPN your enemy in this conflict, so don't try to blame it on us.

Rose didn't initiate that war. So I don't see how that point stands.

lol coming from the alliance that cited UPN declining a treaty with tS as a reasoning for war.

You could, but you would be wrong. #drawinglineswheretheydontexist

No, now it ends.

Glad to see this come into fruition. o/ NPO

Your alliance is a bunch of nuclear rogues that tried extorting them, you don't really command trust. Do your thing, if you enjoy going rogue, then do it. It doesn't take skill to launch nukes every couple of hours. GPA did what most alliances would do, so I don't see the reasoning for so much chest thumping from NK though.