Phoenyx

Sure, and I imagine lessons can be learned from all of them. I wasn't involved in the previous wars, but I was in this one, so that's the war I'm focusing on.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to rely on your word for this one.

I figured as much. You're not the only person here though.

Lol :-p. But no, I had nothing to do with the initiation of this war. I certainly put a lot of effort into trying to achieve peace, though it's clear that many didn't appreciate my efforts in this regard. And it seems equally clear that others don't like the fact that I continue to bring up issues regarding this war. I think the points I raise are worth bringing up despite stiff opposition from certain quarters to me doing so, however, and so I do. You know, a long time ago, I told Rose's Valk, "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread." I'm not afraid to ask the questions that others, for whatever reason, choose not to. You can keep on beating around the bush, refusing to deal with what I think is the -real- reason that you dislike my posts. That's your call to make, but so long as there are a few brave souls who are willing to explore issues that most want to avoid even thinking about and I'm not censored from doing so, I'll continue to ask these questions and look for their answers.

You know, I find it rather ironic that the Quack side started with "Oh, the non quack side is censoring too much" and now it's like you guys just want to do the same thing. If you don't want to listen to what I have to say, no one's forcing you to read my posts, let alone respond to them.

I know. I just think we could still learn form this war. There are small wars, perhaps some pirates attacking, perhaps 2 Alliances going at it, and then there are big, global wars. The small ones, perhaps not worth too much attention, but a global, that involves a -lot- of Alliances and I definitely think there are some lessons we can still learn from it. Ofcourse, it takes 2 to tango. If no one else is investigating certain loose ends from the war, then that'll be the end of it.

Yes, this war is over. All I'm asking is, what did we learn, and is there still more we can learn from it? Reminds me of some lines from one of Frank Hebert's Dune books: ** “Beware of the truth, gentle Sister. Although much sought after, truth can be dangerous to the seeker. Myths and reassuring lies are much easier to find and believe. If you find a truth, even a temporary one, it can demand that you make painful changes. ** I think many prefer to just kill the messenger.

I am definitely glad that the global war has finally ended. However, I think some of the more thoughtful among may want to reflect on one thing- should this war have ever started? For a long time now, I have focused on 2 questions, one for each side of this war. The 1st is for the Quack side: the issue of why Boyce came say what may have been fateful words, namely that he believed that TCW/HM/Swamp would attack Quack in December/January. I'm not saying that there was no validity in what he said, but was it -completely- valid? A question that I, at least, think should be better explored. I made a thread exploring Boyce's words here: Much the same thing happened on the other side, this time in regards to something Ronnie, the leader of Grumpy said, and his source. I get into this in another thread: Too often, people take what amounts to rumours and run with them. I think the name that this war was given, "The Leaky Faucet War", while certainly illuminating a certain part of the war, may not draw enough attention to the fact that leaks and rumours are frequently sprinkled with false information. Perhaps another title for the war could end up being "The broken telephone war", after the broken telephone effect. Now, the easy thing would be to downvote this thread, or ignore it. A bit more work would be to insult me or the thread. But I think in order to avoid wars like this, where everyone thinks the other guy is the one to blame, these questions shouldn't just be asked- serious effort should also be put into answering them.

I may stop posting much here. And I'm certainly glad that peace was finally achieved. That being said, a peace doesn't change the fact that some things were left unanswered, at least publicly. The main ones that come to mind: 1- Who was Ronnie's HM leader source? 2- Why did Boyce state that TCW/HM/Swamp were going to attack Quack in December/January? Perhaps the answers will never enter the public domain. But I believe the fact that those questions remain shrouded in mystery says a lot of the desire, or lack thereof, of many of the war participants' desire to let the truth be known to all.

Well said Partisan. I guess the story was too long for some, but I read every word.

We may not get along, but that was some good writing.

Well, we agree on that anyway.

Am I the only one who thinks that Ronny may be yanking your chain?

Be as sarcastic as you like. I just felt that not enough was being said about the causes of the war, so I asked questions and came up with theories. Despite all the negative feedback from people such as yourself, I got enough positive responses to keep me going. I still have questions and theories, but I think I'll wait and see the official peace treaty before starting a new thread.

How are you so sure?

So you say.

Thanks Seifer, Thalmor, Livonish :-). One thing I will say, it looks like whatever the item @Lord Tyrion was referring to, it may well have been the last issue. Now that it looks like the war is coming to an end, I will say that I had heard it had to do with NAP(s) and possibly their length. If this was actually what he was referring to, I concede that it wasn't nearly as banal as I thought.

I've actually been listening to his show ever since he invited me and I'm liking them :-). I'm ok with it being for a select audience. They make me laugh with their little quirks. It can really lighten the mood. Also, this time there was the Thalmorite Hangout and me, Adrienne, Cooper, Nokia Rokia and a few others hung out there and talked politics for a bit- but was fairly light hearted, really liked it.

Ah ok, sorry :-p. Still though, here's to hoping we do another Thalmorite hangout some time in the future. I think that's the most fun I've had in this game in a while :-p.

It's my fault that no one else from our side wants to talk to you guys :-p? On a lighter note though, nice conversation with you and a few others Adrienne.

I never said I knew what it was. I might still not. Someone I trust saw something posted on the RON server. I saw something too, but apparently by the time I looked, the actual admission had been deleted. I still got an idea as to what it was based on what may have been responses to the original post and my source confirmed my suspicion, but it's too banal to mention.

Hey Tyrion, nice to talk to you again, been a while :-p. Anyway, you are the one who said that you'd be fine with it- I didn't know that it came with the caveat that you'd advise against it. You are right that I would like to get peace going. The main issue is that while I generally agree with you on a lot of things, we may not always agree on how best to go about achieving it. Now, you have of course played this game longer than I have, but experience in this particular game is not the only metric to go by. Someone has told me that this item may have actually already been leaked, but by the time I got to responding to them, they'd logged off. Perhaps I will more from them today, we'll see. If they do tell me more, I'll make a judgement call on how to proceed. As to why I am why I am, that's a very good question. However, I'm not sure this forum would be the best place to get into that. If you like, I could tell you more about my life story in DMs, without you needing to share anything in return. On a side note, I actually had a pretty interesting conversation with Adrienne, Cooper and a few others in the Thalmorite Hangout VM in the wee hours of the morning. Was pretty interesting- if there's ever an encore, would be nice if you could be there :-). Updated: I've now spoken to my source, who says the leaked material has been deleted. However, he gave me the gist of it. If that's the item at hand, it's plain banal. Not worth talking about here.

Assuming that there actually was a plot to hit Quack, you may be right. However, I don't think it hurts to start pushing to have leads that would answer the question one way or the other now. As to whether or not it's relevant to peace talks, I wouldn't know. However, Tyrion who -is- in those peace talks is saying there is a certain item that is holding things up, as I mentioned a few posts ago, complete with Tyrion screenshot. He also says he can't reveal what it is without the other leaders giving the ok to release it as well. My nominal leader is Tyrion. Here's to hoping at least a few others do their part to get whatever it is that's holding things up out into the open where anyone in the forums can discuss it.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and treat your post seriously. But he is not -my- great leader :-p. I'm persuaded by arguments that appear to be well reasoned. So far, all I see on that count are Starfuze's.