Fox Fire Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 The United States has the strongest military, most nukes, biggest Military budget, and biggest GDP. therefore surpassing russia by a small amount. the amount of ships, tanks, aircraft, and missles will come out next week No. We do not have the most nukes. You're only counting active warheads ready to fire. Russia has WAY more land weapons than any nation on the planet and including ICBM's in these things defeats the purpose of such comparisons. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 http://knoema.com/nwnfkne/world-gdp-ranking-2014-data-and-charts http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org http://www.globalfirepower.com(2015 version) And of course Wikipedia. I still disagree with your list. You've left out many factors. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speaker Faris Wheeler Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Agreed, and like I've said many times, they'll come out. And you're looking at the wrong source about nukes. Anyways, I'm done arguing with you. Quote Peace will never be accomplished without war, but war cannot happen without peace.... or something like that idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Agreed, and like I've said many times, they'll come out. And you're looking at the wrong source about nukes. Anyways, I'm done arguing with you. I'm not sure where you're looking but... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speaker Faris Wheeler Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 I'm not sure where you're looking but... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons Quote Peace will never be accomplished without war, but war cannot happen without peace.... or something like that idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons :facepalm: Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speaker Faris Wheeler Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 :facepalm: Russia may have more total, but us has more "active" ones Quote Peace will never be accomplished without war, but war cannot happen without peace.... or something like that idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Russia may have more total, but us has more "active" ones Well either way, I will still reject a list that takes nuclear capabilities into account. Also, out of curiosity, what is your formula for calculating the rankings? Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speaker Faris Wheeler Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 I've said it too may times Quote Peace will never be accomplished without war, but war cannot happen without peace.... or something like that idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) I've said it too may times I just re-read every comment in the thread and..... No you didn't.... That's OK though. It's not like there needs to be a formula or anything to produce a valid ranking. Why do all that math when you can just eyeball !@#$ and throw it together in whatever order sounds good? Edited January 11, 2015 by Fox Fire Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speaker Faris Wheeler Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Based on the amount of stuff that I have, it depends on other things like pop, soldiers and warheads, The United States has the strongest military, most nukes, biggest Military budget, and biggest GDP. therefore surpassing russia by a small amount. the amount of ships, tanks, aircraft, and missles will come out next week Now if you'd please leave me alone. Quote Peace will never be accomplished without war, but war cannot happen without peace.... or something like that idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Now if you'd please leave me alone. lol. Yep. So the whole idea is basically eyeball shit and put it where it looks good. Whatever you say dude. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Why I trust GFP over your eyeballing. They have an actual formula... The GFP list makes use of over 50 factors to determine each nation's Power Index ("PwrIndx") score. This provides the final ranking and allows smaller, technologically-advanced, nations to compete with larger, lesser-developed ones. Some bonuses (and penalties) are added for refinement. In the end, we hope it presents an unbiased outlook on the potential conventional military strength of a given country if only to stir some healthy debate. Things to keep in mind: • Nuclear capability is NOT taken into account• Geographical factors influence every country's ranking• Ranking does not solely rely on total number of weapons available• Natural resource reliance (use/production) is taken into account• Land-locked nations are NOT penalized for lack of a standing navy• Naval powers ARE penalized for limited naval capabilities• Current political/military leadership is NOT taken into account As of 04/03/2014 there are a total of 106 countries included in the GFP database. Due to the amount of data involved, adjustments are ongoing and corrections still being considered. Partial Sources: CIA.gov, CIA World Factbook, wikipedia.com, public domain print and media sources and user contributions. Some values may be estimated when official sources are lacking. ©2006-2015 www.GlobalFirepower.com. All Rights Reserved. No Reproduction Permitted. Material presented throughout this website is for entertainment value and is only as accurate as the sources allow. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speaker Faris Wheeler Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Alright http://www.memegenerator.es/meme/2471815 Quote Peace will never be accomplished without war, but war cannot happen without peace.... or something like that idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguar Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 China should definetly be second, and in few years it will overtake USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisarius Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 China is eventually going to leapfrog Russia as #2, but I doubt they will be able to reach the US anytime soon. Mostly given that China is bounded by Russia, India, Japan, South Korea, and Vietnam. They have an unstable Pakistan and Afghanistan to their West, and are occupying Tibetan and Uighur lands. They have so many internal and border sticking points that they will not be able to project their power internationally as well as the US can, or even Britain or France. Maybe that'll change when China establishes a clear hegemoney over the entirety of Eastern Eurasia. But I doubt it'll come to that. 2 Quote http://i.imgur.com/K3xCRAP.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwnius Scrubius Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) Nope. I also should make a section for countries that get the most snow in a winter (and in the summer). Maybe a tree count. Both of those, Canada would get. From what I have heard it's Russia EDIT: Wrong quote ._. I mean most Internet usage per citizen Edited January 13, 2015 by Pwnius Scrubius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 China should definetly be second, and in few years it will overtake USA Not when our naval and air power makes them look pathetic. Russia's air power is also superior to China. Land based weapons is completely one sided in favor of Russia. China however has 2 things on it's side: Manpower and purchasing power. In terms of Naval strength, I'd say Russia and China are fairly an even match considering I still don't think that China has ever gotten their aircraft carrier working. In terms of resources, Russia wins that hands down. So I disagree with the assumption that should "definitely be #2." It's a close call, and China is a long ways off from competing with naval and air power. They have ASBM but that would automatically lead to full blown ICBM exchanges. 1 Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speaker Faris Wheeler Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Not when our naval and air power makes them look pathetic. Russia's air power is also superior to China. Land based weapons is completely one sided in favor of Russia. China however has 2 things on it's side: Manpower and purchasing power. In terms of Naval strength, I'd say Russia and China are fairly an even match considering I still don't think that China has ever gotten their aircraft carrier working. In terms of resources, Russia wins that hands down. So I disagree with the assumption that should "definitely be #2." It's a close call, and China is a long ways off from competing with naval and air power. They have ASBM but that would automatically lead to full blown ICBM exchanges. I agree with you there, however. the manpower of China is a lot in army standards, when they go out in war, they are given 1 rifle, and 2 rounds. And a knife. My point being is that their army isn't very good in combat standards. Quote Peace will never be accomplished without war, but war cannot happen without peace.... or something like that idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwnius Scrubius Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I agree with you there, however. the manpower of China is a lot in army standards, when they go out in war, they are given 1 rifle, and 2 rounds. And a knife. My point being is that their army isn't very good in combat standards. I doubt they would let their army exist like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speaker Faris Wheeler Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 I doubt they would let their army exist like that. Guns aren't made over there, they're not permitted in the country at all. Therefore, their equipped with little supplies. Quote Peace will never be accomplished without war, but war cannot happen without peace.... or something like that idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I agree with you there, however. the manpower of China is a lot in army standards, when they go out in war, they are given 1 rifle, and 2 rounds. And a knife. My point being is that their army isn't very good in combat standards. Well I wouldn't say they are quite like the Soviets in WW2, but I'd be surprised if they had (on hand) enough equipment to fight a full scale war with another superpower assuming it all exploded right now. Plus, China hasn't fought a war in modern times, so they lack experience. Guns aren't made over there, they're not permitted in the country at all. Therefore, their equipped with little supplies. All sorts of guns are made by China. Including but not limited to: Type 56, Type 95, Type 03, etc. China makes shit tons of guns, including their very own designs. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 That has never been true. 300 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adama Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I agree with you there, however. the manpower of China is a lot in army standards, when they go out in war, they are given 1 rifle, and 2 rounds. And a knife. My point being is that their army isn't very good in combat standards. Lol, you have a source for this? Their army was not even that ill-equipped during the Korean war. China does have a lot of inefficiencies, but it isn't all the same down the board. For one, just because the populace of China is not allowed to own fire arms does not mean the Chinese government does not have or produce small arms. Because they do, as Fox Fire just pointed out. As for infantry quality itself, some areas of training and equipment are better than others. Just like we have more specialized troops so does China, and just like we have lower quality areas so does China. Their military isn't a million homeless people and a handful of T-34's. Quote If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a roll. There is one you will follow. One who is the shining star, and he will lead you to beautiful places in the search of his own vanity. And when there is no more vanity to be found, he will leave you in darkness, as a fading memory of his own creation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Lol, you have a source for this? Their army was not even that ill-equipped during the Korean war. China does have a lot of inefficiencies, but it isn't all the same down the board. For one, just because the populace of China is not allowed to own fire arms does not mean the Chinese government does not have or produce small arms. Because they do, as Fox Fire just pointed out. Now I want to move to China, work in a gun factory, steal a gun, then do the rest. #guncontrolworks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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