RoH - Manners Are Free, Use Them Mayhem

[Rageproject]

When you come to request peace in a single obscure raid, does it take much to be respectful or non-confrontational?

Apparently, it does for Mayhem leadership.

We recognize Mayhem’s hostile attitude and aggressive actions against The High Table:

• Illegitimate wars (deemed “counters” by Mayhem) against THT leadership and other nations not raiding their members or protectorate
• Countering nations who countered Mayhem’s illegitimate “counters”
• Demanding incorrect sums of reparations and escalating into conflict over a $2-million difference of offered reparations, in an attempt to bully THT. There are 20 active wars at time of this post. 
• Prior attempts to do the very same to a THT ally in The Firefly Militia not even two-weeks ago
• And for Mayhem’s attitude and belief they are above respecting fellow Orbis leaders and following the “standard Orbis practices” as Tarsis so referenced in FA discussions.

The High Table politely requested a truce and Mayhem rejected that, instead demanding additional reparations for their own aggressions in order to end this conflict they created.

“we are entitled to.” - Tarsis

We won’t be tolerant or reward Mayhem for their actions. We welcomed diplomacy while Mayhem sought aggression. They can continue to request absurd reparations but we will pay no such amount for their unwarranted actions, but instead we will defend ourselves as we are rightfully entitled to do.

Rageproject, The Elder of The High Table

[Tiberius Aurion]

Props for being willing to stand up for what you believe right or wrong, that is still respectable. Good luck, hope things work out for both Mayham and High Table.

[Hemingway]

Heck yeah. High Table cool.

[Dream]

Good job on standing up against the bullying. Macros often engage in such acts, especially towards smaller alliances.

It's beyond me why they see a need to be that way towards new alliances for no reason at all lol

[Hes_A_Dictator]

Ok, I'll respect that

[Kosta]

If what you are saying is true, then this is a respectable move.

[Lysander]

Solid post. Keep up the good work.

[Kiloist II]

Idk how yet, but I’m blaming Tevron

[The Titan]

Of course it's a Camelot splinter that blows things way out of proportion.

First off, The High Table was the initial aggressor in this conflict. They declared a simple raid on our protectorate - Ignis Aternum - which is really an alliance that will be launched post ODOO/Friends-Rose war. Primarily consisting of ex-Imperium and ex-Order nations we have worked with in the past. 

Said initial war in question:
https://politicsandwar.com/nation/war/timeline/war=1782458

We had just days ago loaned Ignis Aternum around $250M to get them started. It was pretty annoying when The High Table came along and got in the way of that. We countered the initial war https://politicsandwar.com/nation/war/timeline/war=1782669 with the one Mayhem nation in range. (An issue we had been trying to fix with our investment into Ignis in the first place).

I reached out to The High Table government at this point regarding a simple peace with the standard reps which would've all been paid to Ignis. I did, as stated in Rageproject's original post, misread the report and get the damages backwards. Which - is something I immediately fixed. Rageproject claimed he was not going to pay for the counter which added ~$5m in damages. He stated the reason being that we "didn't have to counter" and that they weren't at fault since said original High Table nation had already been asked to peace. 

RageProject immediately escalated the narrative when bringing up a separate situation with a much more peaceful resolution that occurred at an earlier date:

 

For additional context, Firefly Militia is an unprotected sub-50 micro. A couple of our members decided to have fun and were able to pull a little loot, since they were fully armed but without targets in the global conflict. The alliance was completely open by our raid rules. However - when their alliance leadership reached out and opened a much more friendly dialogue, we peaced the wars anyway.

Point being (long TL:DR):

1. The High Table did declare the initial raid
2. Mayhem countered for Ignis as a protectorate would be expected to do so
3. Mayhem reached out to The High Table for a small $ value in war reparations
4. The High Table immediately responded by making accusations of "countering counters" in an unrelated raiding incident, which was in fact concluded on good terms with Firefly Militia
5. Mayhem then followed the practice of countering nations actually in our range at this point
6. RageProject did reach out with an offer to simply peace - I countered by saying we'll see wars through to beige or he can pay the new updated reps sum of including the new wars
7. He said he didn't want to pay reps - so I told him we'll simply continue out with existing wars and then be on our way. At which point THT declared additional wars on Mayhem and Ignis, thereby escalating this to the point we see now.

Edited August 18, 2023 by The Titan

[Cpt Crunch]

1 minute ago, The Titan said:

Of course it's a Camelot splinter that blows things way out of proportion.

First off, The High Table was the initial aggressor in this conflict. They declared a simple raid on our protectorate - Ignis Aternum - which is really an alliance that will be launched post ODOO/Friends-Rose war. Primarily consisting of ex-Imperium and ex-Order nations we have worked with in the past. 

Said initial war in question:
https://politicsandwar.com/nation/war/timeline/war=1782458

We had just days ago loaned Ignis Aternum around $250M to get them started. It was pretty annoying when The High Table came along and got in the way of that. We countered the initial war https://politicsandwar.com/nation/war/timeline/war=1782669 with the one Mayhem nation in range. (An issue we had been trying to fix with our investment into Ignis in the first place).

I reached out to The High Table government at this point regarding a simple peace with the standard reps which would've all been paid to Ignis. I did, as stated in Rageproject's original post, misread the report and get the damages backwards. Which - is something I immediately fixed. Rageproject claimed he was not going to pay for the counter which added ~$5m in damages. He stated the reason being that we "didn't have to counter" and that they weren't at fault since said original High Table nation had already been asked to peace. 

RageProject immediately escalated the narrative when bringing up a separate situation with a much more peaceful resolution that occurred at an earlier date:

 

For additional context, Firefly Militia is an unprotected sub-50 micro. A couple of our members decided to have fun and were able to pull a little loot, since they were fully armed but without targets in the global conflict. The alliance was completely open by our raid rules. However - when their alliance leadership reached out and opened a much more friendly dialogue, we peaced the wars anyway.

Point being (long TL:DR):

1. The High Table did declare the initial raid
2. Mayhem countered for Ignis as a protectorate would be expected to do so
3. Mayhem reached out to The High Table for a small $ value in war reparations
4. The High Table immediately responded by making accusations of "countering counters" in an unrelated raiding incident, which was in fact concluded on good terms with Firefly Militia
5. Mayhem then followed the practice of countering nations actually in our range at this point
6. RageProject did reach out with an offer to simply peace - I countered by saying we'll see wars through to beige or he can pay the new updated reps sum of including the new wars
7. He said he didn't want to pay reps - so I told him we'll simply continue out with existing wars and then be on our way. At which point THT declared additional wars on Mayhem and Ignis, thereby escalating this to the point we see now.

Instructions unclear got my micro rolled instead

[Fine]

As mentioned above, it is sadly not uncommon for larger alliances to push over smaller ones, which is why it wouldn't be hard for an alliance to pretend like that's the case which is what it looks like here.

Unfortunately for The High Table, Mayhem brought their proof and from the looks of the war declarations, merely countered the members of THT they had in range.

Edited August 18, 2023 by Fine and dandy

[Rageproject]

Sorry but points 6 and 7 are false… There was no indication of peace once upon the conclusion of any wars currently being declared on Mayhem’s behalf (as the screenshot below shows).

Fact remains that rather than engage in more dialogue, you chose to escalate a singular raid because I pointed out your attitude and tone was unnecessary — since when I did so, you stopped responding and 6 wars were declared as “Counters - out of range”. 

[The Titan]

Just now, Rageproject said:

Sorry but points 6 and 7 are false… There was no indication of peace once upon the conclusion of any wars currently being declared on Mayhem’s behalf (as the screenshot below shows).

Fact remains that rather than engage in more dialogue, you chose to escalate a singular raid because I pointed out your attitude and tone was unnecessary — since when I did so, you stopped responding and 6 wars were declared as “Counters - out of range”. 

They are... Counters? Do people usually hit you over and over again when counters end? You poor thing, I genuinely thought it would be understood that we had planned to just go home after the fact, again, as is standard for counters. Your boy MAGA over there dropped more loot than Ignis took in damages anyway. 

You were the one who came here and blew it up into a full on war. So now it may continue escalating especially as you continue declaring wars.

I'll take note that if we ever interact in the future I need to spell everything out for you. I hear you're from CN? Is that how stuff works over there?

3 hours ago, Kiloist II said:

Idk how yet, but I’m blaming Tevron

Tevron is puppeting this whole war

[Elros Tar-Minyatur]

45 minutes ago, The Titan said:

Tevron is puppeting this whole war

That's not unreasonable to assume. He is the mastermind behind it all.

[Tiberius Aurion]

2 hours ago, Rageproject said:

Sorry but points 6 and 7 are false… There was no indication of peace once upon the conclusion of any wars currently being declared on Mayhem’s behalf (as the screenshot below shows).

Fact remains that rather than engage in more dialogue, you chose to escalate a singular raid because I pointed out your attitude and tone was unnecessary — since when I did so, you stopped responding and 6 wars were declared as “Counters - out of range”. 

Without knowing what’s going on beyond what’s been said here; checking someone for their “tone” when they are much stronger then you is never a wise move. The simple solution would have been to simply pay $7M and be done with this if HT did start this whole thing even by accident. Def not taking any side of this debate but it sounds like this was escalated far beyond it needed and now no matter what Mayam has to respond to this escalation over what appears to be a single raid and $7M requested reps. However this pans out hopefully it’s worth it. 

[The Titan]

For any of you that are going to read this thread - don't waste your time, it's over as quick as it began 😉

 

[Malachi Vegas]

If you’re going to allow a member to attack a macro who happens to be in war mode, you’re going to get countered. Life happens, accept your loss and don’t play victim.