Fox Fire

I'm just getting my facts from independent research. I mean you don't deny the Balfour Declaration do you? Yeah, sure. It was all done "legally", but it was also a foreign conspiracy that disregarded the will of the people living there that created the modern state of Israel. It seems pretty obvious to me that Israel exists because of foreign, self interested meddling. The same exact kind of meddling and self interest that created WW2, not because Jews historically call the area home. We have already fought WW2 over borders we demanded in WW1. How is it a smart idea to repeat this? The support ISIS is getting from Muslims around the world has a lot to do with the Sykes-Pikot agreement. Similarly, the support Hitler received had a lot to do with the treaty of Versailles. Both of these agreements were specifically designed to divide a defeated nation with strategically drawn borders to ensure they could pose no threat to anyone. They were specifically designed to remove military competition, rebuild the victors and fundamentally cripple the defeated nations. After WW2, we supposedly realized that we had to play more fair, but that doesn't seem to apply in the middle east.

The British and French supported it because of powerful self interests from back when it was just an idea. The Ottoman empire was forcibly divided and conquered and the source of all the middle easts problems is the Sykes-Pikot agreement. Part of that was the Balfour Declaration and specifically moving Jewish, Zionist settlers into Palestine to establish a Jewish state in a predominately Muslim area. Ironically, both the Nazis and Zionists had similar ideas to solve antisemitism in Europe. Both of them were stupid as !@#$.

Dude, I'm saying the Balfour Declaration, basically a corrupt conspiracy by foreigners, is the whole framework for the Israeli-Palestine conflict and a large part of the middle east problems. We are propping up a religious, nationalist group of people we deliberately moved in there and propped up in an area that is already highly Muslim, all because some powerful people had some self interests. Now days IDF snipers shoot shoot children as a right of passage and drop bombs like shooting fish in a barrel. We give them all the guns and support they need to do it. Something about that I just find disturbing. IDGAF if you want to be Jewish but Zionism is just stupid.

The area has been known as Palestine or various alternate names since ancient times. Palestine has been home to many civilizations since ancient times. The state of Palestine today may be more modern than Isreal, but it's a response to a literal foreign religious and political take over. Further more, "Israelites" or "Jews" may trace their most significant and influential parts of their history to this land, but that's like saying we should force Americans to move back to Europe and Africa or hand US political power to native American tribes. Israel is specifically a Jewish state. Muslims in the area desire an Islamic state, and they've been living and working there consecutively longer. I mean moving a shit ton of foreigners into any area is never a great idea. Especially when you have the worlds most powerfully corrupt !@#$ doing the entire shebang all because of a shady business deal from WW1. Look, I know the holocaust was bad and Jews have had it rough, but so have so many other groups of people. I don't think that pissing off every Muslim on the planet is really worth a Jewish state. Neither side will ever stop and the only real solution is a single, very secular state. I'm not so sure that's completely accurate. Certainly the sheer scale of WW2 has never been seen since. The Nazis certainly went overboard and Hitler seemed bent on repeating the world war from the beginning, but the situation in Germany and all of Europe, really, was complex and the accusations against the Jews (generally speaking) isn't exactly false. That's why Israel exists right now and it's kind of ironic the way these two things are connected. Not to sound anti-semitic, but these are simply solid facts. I think there are certainly some people in Israel who wouldn't mind systematically murdering millions of Muslims if they could. Now Hamas and groups like them are just as terrible but Israel was forcefully carved out of area by foreign nations who sent ship loads upon shiploads of completely foreign people there under the arrangement that when these people eventually become the majority, we will establish a Jewish state in the area of Palestine. In exchange, the allies got a lot of financial and resource support from Jews all over Europe during WWI. Including German Jews. IDK about you, but that just sounds like a messy, stupid !@#$ing idea. Next, we can take over Turkey and give it to the Orthodox Church.

No, not really. I mean the amount of incidents of their soldiers or police blatantly beating or killing just children is pretty disturbing. Their society in general has a pretty well built in hate for Muslims, or just anything that disagrees with them really. There really is no shortage of people that openly express hate and extremist nationalism in Israel. Polls clearly show a deep social divide between Muslims and Jews. Yeah, not everyone is bad, but there is a disturbing amount of very Nazi-like Jews. Are the Arabs any better? On average, no, but they don't have a concentration camp called Gaza that they bomb every year. No no. In fact, they actually live in that concentration camp called Gaza.

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Israel is the Jewish equivalent of Nazi Germany. Only it's OK because they're Jewish. Palestine is just as real as Israel. Just because a few powerful foreign nations wont recognize their sovereignty means nothing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine I mean literally, the only people that don't recognize Palestine as a sovereign state are the nations that created Israel.

Official response from Foxburos government: Piss off. *In a catchy British accent*

That's a moot point. An outmatched alliance won't help you very much. The point of the thread is that aggressors win wars. And they generally do. A whole shit ton of money that you could be earning must be placed into defence instead, simply to ward off attackers. It's a pretty aggressive game and doesn't have the war standards of (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) where raiding is basically internationally banned.

Bro, you're literally barking up a tree that I have been barking up forever, basically. Fact is: the aggressor always has the advantage because he prepared for war. That's not to say the defender can never win. In fact, I've actually won most of my defensive wars. But I definitely feel your frustration.

Here's a good anime I just remembered and haven't seen in forever: Wolfs Rain.

Quantum fluctuations of vacuum gravity or a black hole multiverse paradox are probably the best explanations for what caused the Big Bang. Correction: Existence is eternal and self justifying. Saying a God is required to create existence is just moving the goal post. You always end in a paradox of "what came first" when contemplating the meaning of existence. It's like asking what's north of the north pole. Perhaps nothing came first and there was never a beginning? Either way, the fact that you exist is completely illogical. If God doesn't need a cause, why does existence? Hmm... I don't think religion is the word you're looking for.

As for nationalism, it's kind of stupid, but it's always going to exist. I'm not sure what makes you think America is not nationalist, because we are very nationalist. That has nothing to do with being a racist, homophobic !@#$ fascist. Those are two different things, Captain.

Israel is disgusting. There is nothing to be desired in their society. The Arabs are forced to resort to guerrilla tactics because a huge conspiracy of very powerful international interests from decades ago, drove them off their freakin land. The !@#$ would you do? Saudi Arabia is literally the worst nation in the middle east. I would rather live in Iran or even Israel. Believe me, the Saudis are very Muslim.

Saudis are all Salafists. Closer to your absurd point of view than most people Mr. SrslyAMuslim But you hate the actual pan-Arab nationalists?.... You are so inconsistent.

Foxburo would like a room, as we have a considerable Catholic population.

Don't be silly. The rich run this country.

Is there no counter to nukes in (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways)? Oh yes, it's called the SDI. Would you feel more comfortable if we increased the VDS to 60% chance? (I would agree with that but only with an increse in nuke damage). So then tell me why units in the game aren't simply labeled as 1, 2 and 3? I mean, according to your logic, there is no meaning in naming anything at all and we should throw meaningless numbers at each other all day. However, I completely agree with the idea that people are trying to acquire nukes too early and that trying to offset their own early purchase with more damage is just a bias complaint that should not be fed. But even with that being agreed upon, I still think nukes should not be removed and making them OP is not unreasonable on the realistic approach. I've had many ideas for nukes, but I've also come and gone. Pretty sure my ideas have been brought up before, like mass pollution and such. Overall, I conclude that they should not be removed unless we equally remove missiles and make everything conventional across the board. That would do a whole lot more to balance the scales but also make things a whole lot less interesting.

My point is that the math is the way it is now based on RL concepts and aspects of said units. RL may not be the goal, but it does in fact influence this game and its mechanics. There should indeed be some relation to realism. Otherwise it just becomes a complete bullshit game. We could make a single soldier inflict the same damage as a nuke, but we don't, because there is a relation to realism to some extent. Nukes in RL are basically end game. So they should be immensely powerful for the sake of consistency if nothing else. If any military unit seems stupid in this game, it's missiles. I mean what are missiles? Planes carry missiles FFS. Missiles just seem to be like a mini nuke at a ridiculous cost. If we remove nukes, we should just remove missiles as well, not add anything else and make war purely conventional. Because conventional warfare is the only way to balance fairness and realism. Non-conventional warfare is non-conventional for a reason. And it's not because it's fair.

But it's actually not. I agree that realism cannot ever be attained in a game like this, but that doesn't mean realism doesn't or shouldn't play a role it its mechanics. I mean, we don't have flying battleships or laser death rays and nukes are powerful units for a reason. Not just because the name sounds catchy.

Well that's kinda how nukes should work. Unless we are hand delivering radioactive gifts rather than using say..... An intercontinental ballistic missile..... The more I read in this thread, the more I think nukes should actually just be OP. Why? Because that's what nukes are, really. I mean either way, we're going to end up with either OP nukes or just larger missiles we call nukes. Might as well make it hard and realistic. Besides, if we remove them in favor of chemical weapons, we'll just be back at this same exact table having the same exact argument the day they are added/removed.

Anyone who fakes a screenshot has no !@#$ life anyway. Faking copy/paste text alone is a pretty good sign of a no lifer. I'm with Sheepy. This is not necessary by any means.

The only thing to make that better would be Golem getting hit by a train. Unfortunately, our blood thirsty desires were not me.

No sir, this will simply be criticized by everyone from every corner for everything. Apparently.

I thought he he said he wanted the British Islands though. I mean Celtic Islands/British Islands, same thing really. If he want's Britain, give him that and let me keep my Emerald Island.