Yosodog

Well then, you'd think it would be easy to find middle ground. Unfortunately, NPO won't bend on almost anything and seem to have no motivation to end the war. The ball is in their court. If they want to end the war, then we need a practical offer. If not, let's stop playing games and just get on with the war.

Ohhhh another thread to shitpost in. When we get a reasonable offer, we'll take it.

What is this about us raiding you guys? I haven't heard that story yet.

Sad that this has to be posted. I thought it was all common sense smh. Good guide. Maybe it'll make the game more interesting with less morons running alliances.

Hahaha this thread keeps on delivering.

Here's Oktoberfest taken on 10/16: We had an advantage here of 71,490 score and you guys had the offensive advantage. Here's proxy on 8/23: Rose's side had a slight score and member advantage and the offensive advantage. Plus Cov was sitting on the sidelines waiting to come in but never did. I feel like I missed a war, did I? So as you can see, claiming that either side had a major advantage is wrong. Generally, it was always even. The only time that one side was disadvantaged was during the Pacific War, but due to an amazing blitz that killed the servers, we came out on top imo. Also as you can see, our side really isn't aggressive. Unless I'm missing a war, we've been on the defensive every time except once.

Let's dispel this notion once and for all that NPO doesn't know what they're doing, they know exactly what they're doing. Anyways, I decided to have a look back. On 6/13 right before the Pacific War, here are the score and member levels for each alliance: As you can see, NPO's side had a clear score and member advantage. Just look at UPN's score... oh how the giant has fallen. Anyways, I'll look back at other wars if I get bored enough. Or someone else can. I think the Pacific War was the few that our side didn't have a score or member advantage. Edit: Added average score

Well, you guys really did it this time. You dragged Partisan out of retirement.

Listen, I'm going to go ahead and break character here and have a real talk. You guys think the game is over, you think that you can't do anything to improve your situation and that's just wrong. That's the defeatist attitude that you guys should be getting rid of. We're not invincible, and I think this war proved that. You guys can improve and get better. Why not improve your situation rather than complain about it? It's like in real life, if you are bad at something or hate something about yourself, you try to get better rather than just complain that "life isn't fair." It sounds !@#$ing cheesy but it's true. By staying in the war, you guys are doing nothing but digging your own graves. You can't improve if you don't try and you can't try if we're keeping you down. Will you get rolled again in three months? Who knows? A lot can change in three months in this game. But nothing will change for NPO as long as you guys are beat down and can never grow. We don't want you guys to die and we're willing to work with you guys. But you have to understand the situation we're in. I'm sure we can work out something that works for both alliances but we need to have an open dialog and both alliances have to understand that we're going to have to compromise. UPN, I'm sorry you guys are caught in the middle of this. You have to understand the complicated position we were put in. We saw what happened to tS with Alpha and we wanted to avoid that situation and our best hand was to group your sphere together. Does it suck? Yes. We have no ill will towards UPN and you guys are understandably pissed offed. So let's get back to the negotiating table, hash out a deal that works for all of us, hold hands, and sing kumbaya. The alternative is to be in a perma war and that doesn't help NPO or UPN anymore than peace does.

Why is it worth your time replying to me then? You seem to have something to interject all the time even when HBE isn't involved. The micro drama is to your left.

Surprised. With your negotiation skills, we might've paid you reps.

You are the leader of HBE, correct? So it's pretty safe to assume that you spoke to Strum. Sorry for the mistake. I generally don't keep up to date with minor issues like peace with HBE.

You know Strum is the Emperor of BK, right? And unless I'm mistaken, you spoke with Strum for peace. And in everyone's opinions, you guys got let off easy.

Not sure the deal with UPN was ever agreed upon though.

I'm not talking about UPN.

Eh, if this was EU4 it would say that NPO isn't a valid rival because they're so much smaller.

But if you guys never agree to peace then you'll never have a chance to improve your situation.

I felt violated. Then we were getting help, and !@#$ing John nuked you. smh

Of course you guys can keep going at war. The question is, can you guys continue to grow while at war? BK can. Can your allies continue to grow? Can your allies continue to perma-war? The damage you guys are doing right now is negligible compared to the lost revenue and growth you all will have.

Not that I know of. I've sent an API request for every nation with 100 concurrent requests at a time. Thank based Alex for not limiting the API. I don't do that regularly though. I just wanted to see how far I could push it lol.

Think of what could've been if you guys treated us right.

That was quick.

Not our fault this war started in the first place. Own up to your mistakes.

You successfully gathered intelligence about Angmar. Your spies discovered that Angmar has 5 spies, $929,456,221.38, 1,241.68 coal, 427.18 oil, 939.40 uranium, 170.09 lead, 1,746.95 iron, 262.06 bauxite, 108,073.86 gasoline, 72,482.56 munitions, 276,076.79 steel, 151,266.81 aluminum, and 102,823.70 food. Well, you guys got that much sitting around in one nation. Sure you all can afford it easily.

Congrats to all parties involved. $1b... hmm... seems our demands for NPO/UPN were low and they still didn't accept. Time to raise them!