Jerry LeRow Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) The Red Guards consist of 10 nations atm, most of them tiny jokes of countries. Most of them are barely active ( http://politicsandwar.com/index.php?id=15&keyword=Red%20Guards&cat=alliance&ob=score&od=DESC&maximum=10&minimum=0&search=Go&memberview=true ), they're a joke of an alliance.Demon's advantage is that he's in Europe, and the resources he has ( http://politicsandwar.wikia.com/wiki/Resources ) are the ones needed for steel. But if you analyze his cities, he only has 1 steel mill. This means he can only make 9 tanks per day as well as 6 tons of gasoline per day.That again leads me to the assumption that he imports lots of his resources. And I'm right, look at his trade page ( http://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=5911&display=trade ) and you'll see what he sells to finance his costly wars and what he buys to even execute his communist-terrorist operations.Combine that with the fact that he continuously takes money and resources from the alliance bank (and it looks like he robbed it now completely --> http://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=5911&display=bank ), and you get a picture of a sad, tiny, internally powerless nation. I mean he has about 1/2 of my score, but only 1/7 of my GDP.So I propose we "attack" him with some longer-term strategy. Simply don't sell steel, gasoline or alu anymore on the open market, pack the "good" alliances in 1 massive shared market and thereby introduce "economic embargos" to the game. Don't buy any resources from DEMON and his alliance anymore (that's part of his income), don't sell any steel, alu or gasoline on the open market anymore (that's what he needs for his war machinery) and he will fail; I guarantee that. That'd be one idea how to deal with misbehaving alliances. Of course, there will always be some who can sustain due to their own resource production, others will simply buy the resources from newbies who sell them on the open market. But it'd be worth an attempt imo. Go ahead. Comment. What u waiting for? Edited September 16, 2014 by Jerry LeRow Quote I'm and INTJ (http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality). What are you (http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Provide 10 percent, and the capital agree to any use, at 20 percent it becomes lively, with 50 percent positive ready to break his head, at 100 percent, he tramples on all human laws, at 300 percent there is no crime, to which he would not risk, even under pain of the gallows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry LeRow Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Provide 10 percent, and the capital agree to any use, at 20 percent it becomes lively, with 50 percent positive ready to break his head, at 100 percent, he tramples on all human laws, at 300 percent there is no crime, to which he would not risk, even under pain of the gallows that's beyond all logic. anything senseful to add to this suggestion? would it work from your point of view? Quote I'm and INTJ (http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality). What are you (http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 ask T. J. Dunning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 This is cute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMelvin Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I like the idea of cutting off the supply to rogue nations but instead of making a large complicated alliance bank, raise the price for the items that he imports like pushing metals to $2k+, Gas to $2k+, Food can even double because since he is mainly a military nation surviving off trades, the higher the price, the more it will harm. But if it has to be done, we can make a super alliance trading type thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry LeRow Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 I like the idea of cutting off the supply to rogue nations but instead of making a large complicated alliance bank, raise the price for the items that he imports like pushing metals to $2k+, Gas to $2k+, Food can even double because since he is mainly a military nation surviving off trades, the higher the price, the more it will harm. But if it has to be done, we can make a super alliance trading type thing. Not a large complicated alliance bank. Just 1 large shared market and we then buy and sell in this one instead of the open market. Quote I'm and INTJ (http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality). What are you (http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 oh no! don't rise food prices! Thats unfair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Trying to get the entire game to not sell their money making resources just isn't going to happen. And if it does, I will thoroughly enjoy making a shit load of money while you all hold your resources. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Trying to get the entire game to not sell their money making resources just isn't going to happen. And if it does, I will thoroughly enjoy making a !@#$ load of money while you all hold your resources. Yes. Give capital its 300 percent interest rate and there is no crime, to which he would not risk, even under pain of the gallows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMelvin Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Jerry: I didn't mean to say bank...derp! Food is his main, if not only source of trade so crash the food market and raise everything else... I'll be watching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Jerry, I don't think it will work. If we stop selling things in global market then where will those nation who needs them going to get those resources? OMG, I need aluminium, and I don't produce them then bcos you wanted to punish Demon then I got choked of those resources as well?...hey I am not a member of The Raiders Return or The Red Guards. please don't punish me at the same time when you are punishing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 If you still want to do this it looks like you can now embargo them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxxikation Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Yeah, with the embargo system in place we can now remove their ability to buy and sell resources. We would need to get a large cluster of alliances to do this in order to make it an effective strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Can we make this an universal thing, everyone imposed an total embargo on the Raiders Return and Red Guard , plus we also embargo anyone who trades with them as well. otherwise this wont work as if we do it unilaterally , they can always buy from other nations who didn't embargoed them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) nvm Edited September 18, 2014 by Shellhound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxxikation Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) Edit: Nevermind, I'm an idiot. Edited September 18, 2014 by Toxxikation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seryozha Nikanor Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) NVM Edited September 18, 2014 by Seryozha Nikanor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 What's with all the nvms? Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) What's with all the nvms? nvm Edited September 18, 2014 by Shellhound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan I Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Nvm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) nvmI know what was originally posted (by Tox at least) was he wrong? Edited September 18, 2014 by underlordgc Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I know what was originally posted (by Tox at least) was he wrong? Not wrong, just seeing if it's something more than what we thought is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adama Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) Nvm... Edited September 18, 2014 by CMDR Adama Quote If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a roll. There is one you will follow. One who is the shining star, and he will lead you to beautiful places in the search of his own vanity. And when there is no more vanity to be found, he will leave you in darkness, as a fading memory of his own creation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxxikation Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) The post contained sensitive materials that were redactedredactedredactedredactedredactedredactedredactedredactedredactedredacted. Edited September 19, 2014 by Toxxikation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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