WISD0MTREE Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/05/05/teacher-tells-student-cant-read-bible-in-my-classroom/ My $5 says that I could read a Quran in that class. On a serious note, what is freedom? the power to determine action without restraint. His free choice was to read a Bible... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 My $5 says that I could read a Quran in that class. Probably because they won't know what it is Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share Posted July 27, 2014 Probably because they won't know what it is Either that or I would be a minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry LeRow Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Well... perfect snack for the GOP/TP. Quote I'm and INTJ (http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality). What are you (http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 That Fox News article is very entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted July 29, 2014 Author Share Posted July 29, 2014 Well... perfect snack for the GOP/TP. Yeah, but they aren't taking a bite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Marx Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 What I've never understood is why teachers in this situation care what a child is reading. What's the worst thing that could happen if some kid reads the Bible? The only things she has accomplished is restriction of information. What an excellent educator... 1 Quote "Your 'order' is built on sand. Tomorrow the revolution will already 'raise itself with a rattle' and announce with fanfare, to your terror: I was, I am, I will be!" - Rosa Luxemburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 I understand it, but I think the teacher is wrong. The teacher is concerned about indoctrination and the possibility that the child is not actually reading the Bible voluntarily. S/he is concerned that a young child "choosing" to read the Bible could be an indication that the child's parents are imposing their beliefs on the child at a young age, when the child is most susceptible to formative indoctrination. Of course, even to the extent this is a legitimate concern (and I think it is at best a minor concern), this is a horrible tactical and strategic decision. Not only does making the Bible "verboten" give it a sense of mystique and allure that is just as likely to draw children in as to drive them away, but it also paints rational liberal education as a radical anti-religion movement in a way that delegitimizes the entire system. Quote "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 The teacher had been put in a difficult situation - allow the kid to read the Bible and upset those that believe that education and religion should be kept separate, forbid it and upset those who think the Bible should be the mainstay of our lives. This sort of thing will happen again and again until people agree that party politics and special interest groups should step back and let teachers do their jobs, i.e. educate to the best of their abilities without fear of censure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 The teacher had been put in a difficult situation - allow the kid to read the Bible and upset those that believe that education and religion should be kept separate, forbid it and upset those who think the Bible should be the mainstay of our lives. This sort of thing will happen again and again until people agree that party politics and special interest groups should step back and let teachers do their jobs, i.e. educate to the best of their abilities without fear of censure. The issue at hand, there is nothing in the US that says a child cannot read a bible, quran, torah, etc. in a classroom. In fact we have more stuff saying that teachers can't restrict students from doing so; this should not have been an issue. We have the freedom to read what we please, it wasn't a copy of playboy, it was religious text and whether you're religious or not it should be respected as one of the greatest things in the course of our history (by that I mean how it has affected our entire world history, can't think of the right wording). As for fearing that the child is being indoctrinated, I can almost guarantee you the teacher still allows them to say the pledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted August 3, 2014 Author Share Posted August 3, 2014 education and religion should be kept separate Yes, they should. But, it wasn't a teacher making him read it. It was the kid's choice to read it during free reading time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I think reading the bible (or Quran, or any religious text) in public is a bit like reading Mein Kamph in public. It makes a clear statement of position to the others, like standing on a soapbox and spouting your beliefs. If I went into a church and started reading Darwin, that would be taken as an offensive expression of my opinion. Religion is private business. Don't make your private business public and there won't be any drama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) I think reading the bible (or Quran, or any religious text) in public is a bit like reading Mein Kamph in public. Did you really just compare religion with Fascism? Yea, everyone remember that part of the bible(and Qu'ran) where it says to go shove people into furnaces. &^%$tard If I went into a church and started reading Darwin, that would be taken as an offensive expression of my opinion. And I thought your first line was ignorant. Most Christians know that evolution is real, the only ones that don't are vocal Protestants in the USA and maybe a small handful (if that) outside of it. Also considering the fact that the Catholic church usually takes the bible as allegory instead of being literal, they really never said anything one way or the other. Although they said that there was "no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution, provided that Christians believe that the individual soul is a direct creation by God and not the product of purely material forces." Hardly an anti-evolutionary stance. Edited August 6, 2014 by underlordgc Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I wasn't comparing religion to anything. I was comparing reading books people may feel strongly about. Obviously, you do in fact feel strongly about it It's kinda pointless to debate how many Christians believe in creationism versus "intelligent design". I've never heard a Christian say the bible is just allegory, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 If you're reading Mein Kampf in public, who the !@#$ cares? I've got more going on in my day to worry about what some guy next to me is reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxxikation Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 But Wisd0m, if his choice was to read a Playboy, his parents would have been called as well. Obviously free reading time is not free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxcarJim Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I think the teacher should just be happy that the kid is reading anything. The restriction of reading material is stupid and to humiliate people for there beliefs is deplorable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 If it was any other book that the teacher prohibited, there wouldn't be any outrage from anyone. This isn't about the student's right to read whatever they choose. This is about religion. How dare they persecute us Christians! I wonder what the reaction would be if copies of the satanic bible were donated to the free reading library. Better yet, the teacher should just allow the bible during free reading time, and then discontinue free reading time altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted August 8, 2014 Author Share Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) But Wisd0m, if his choice was to read a Playboy, his parents would have been called as well. Obviously free reading time is not free. So now you care comparing religion to Playboy. The Widow’s Offering21 As Jesus looked up, he saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. 2 He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. 3 “Truly I tell you,†he said, “this poor widow has put in more than all the others. 4 All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.†So that is equally bad as porn? If it was any other book that the teacher prohibited, there wouldn't be any outrage from anyone. This isn't about the student's right to read whatever they choose. This is about religion. How dare they persecute us Christians! I wonder what the reaction would be if copies of the satanic bible were donated to the free reading library. Better yet, the teacher should just allow the bible during free reading time, and then discontinue free reading time altogether. No, it isn't. I was just as outraged when a teacher banned a nice muslim girl that I know from reading the Quran. Plus, I wanted the Branch Davidians (Christian extremist group in Waco) gone. But, since you went there, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. You do realise that he did kind of bring it from home, right? Florida is around the 10th to lowest test scores in the USA. Banning free read time is plain stupid. http://www.act.org/newsroom/data/2012/states.html Edited August 8, 2014 by WISD0MTREE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 The free exercise of religion has it's limits, ya know? Especially when a teacher has authority and responsibility for children. Of course he brought it from home. Just say'n it would be nice to turn the situation around on the complaining hypocrites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 So now you care comparing religion to Playboy. So demeaning to women Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 The free exercise of religion has it's limits, ya know? Especially when a teacher has authority and responsibility for children. And one of those limits is not allowing kids to read the bible during free reading time? That's just !@#$ing retarded. If the kid wants to read the Quran, Bible, Satanic bible, wtf ever, who gives a shit? It's not within a teachers rights to tell a child they can't read religious texts during free reading time, period. If some 8 year old is reading 50 shades of gray I can see the teacher having a talk with the parents about how that's probably not appropriate for a child of that age, but if some kid wants to read the book of his religion then who gives a !@#$? Obviously the teacher just has a stick up her ass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 It would not be unreasonable to say that religious texts are not appropriate for 8 year-olds. Quote "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Marx Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 It would not be unreasonable to say that religious texts are not appropriate for 8 year-olds. Other than "muh indoctrination", why? Quote "Your 'order' is built on sand. Tomorrow the revolution will already 'raise itself with a rattle' and announce with fanfare, to your terror: I was, I am, I will be!" - Rosa Luxemburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Because religion embodies complex metaphysical concepts that young children are not properly equipped to process rationally. It is not unreasonable to say that their texts should be reserved for people whose critical thinking skills are more developed. 1 Quote "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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